DWIZ-ADAPT

[Vitolds]

[woodygb]

This


plugs into joystick



OR to this ....



which plugs into





and then plugs into.

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Yes?

[Vitolds]

you do not understand me
I showed the adapter from both sides
in the adapter has something, it does not work directly with the com port
connects all showed higher
adapter glued, there is no possibility to disassemble. I spoil him, he's not mine.

[Vitolds]

forget it
I do not need

[woodygb]

you do not understand me
I showed the adapter from both sides
in the adapter has something, it does not work directly with the com port
connects all showed higher
adapter glued, there is no possibility to disassemble. I spoil him, he's not mine.

Your right ...I do not understand your problem.


You have a problem with making this DWIZ ADAPTOR work?

[woodygb]

That adaptor probably has a diode in it
The controller that it is used to program has a combined TX & RX wire ( pin 4 ) like the Penny and Giles range...

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So ...inside the adaptor could be something like this combining the RX and TX .

pic for Penny and Giles.

[woodygb]

So ...maybe something like this .

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[woodygb]

This is what I think might be inside the DWIZ ADAPT.

DWIZ.jpg

[Vitolds]

this scheme does not work.
if you put an adapter that works.
what is the adapter contraption worth

[anubis801]

Do not try to unscrew the adapter apart because it will break!
Trust me I know! Fortunately I was able to repair it, but it was a pain in the ass and took me e few hours to do so!
Well the adpter seems to have some circuitry inside with some unknown (no code) IC's a transistor or somthing that looks like it, and a few passive components.
It is NOT just a cross wire connector!
Some magic (electronics) is going on in there.
I am intersted If someone has found a schematic diagram or an equivalent working circuit for this adapter.

[Vitolds]

I told Woody that his scheme is not suitable.
that is not so simple, he did not believe me.
Woody can begin to trust Russian guy

[woodygb]

IF the controller uses TTL logic and the Dynamic software and hardware is using Serial logic ..then it could be a TTL signal logic to Serial signal logic convertor.

Signal differences.
https://www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/215

[anubis801]

I doubt it's TTl logic. The voltage on the programming pin on the XLR connector is around 9V. The inputs/outputs of the DWIZ-ADAPT on the Hyrose connector are RS232 levels. I hooked up a logic analyzer on the serial port to sniff some data and the wizard software does send some signal to the RTS prior to sending a packet to the TX line. Also the data coming out of tx does not match the HEX code on the wizard software and sometimes does not make any sense but I am not a software wizard myself so it may be just me. I must admit I don't know much of data sniffing techniques and this was one of my early attempts.

I will try a straight voltage level shifter to interface the controller with a FTDI FT-232 serial adapter.
I've not given up yet!

[Vitolds]

you have large photo

[anubis801]

You've got PM!

[anubis801]

I finally solved my problem.
I had to re-invent the whole programming interface (the orange adapter).
Forget the easy circuit with the diode and a resistor. The wizard software doesn't like local ECHO on the serial RX and it puts inverted RS-232 signals (NOT regular RS-232 comunication) while the controller doesn't.
After a few days of analysing signals from the serial port to the controller and some serious experimenting with electronics (with the occasional magic smoke), I finally figured it out. I have designed my own programming interface for the Rhyno 2 controller.

Success at last!

[ex-Gooserider]

GREAT to hear! please tell us details!

ex-Gooserider

[anubis801]

Well since it is my own design and not a copy or imitation of the original I guess It is OK to share it with you.
Tested on a Rhyno2 controller.

You can order the PCB here.
http://dirtypcbs.com/view.php?share=16657&accesskey=

Just a word of caution!
NOT for medical use!
This board is EXPERIMENTAL and I designed it for the love of electronics and robots building hobby.
This is NOT a Dynamics product, nor am I in any way related with the company.
Use at your own risk!

[Irving]

Well since it is my own design and not a copy or imitation of the original I guess It is OK to share it with you.
Tested on a Rhyno2 controller.

You can order the PCB here.
http://dirtypcbs.com/view.php?share=16657&accesskey=

Just a word of caution!
NOT for medical use!
This board is EXPERIMENTAL and I designed it for the love of electronics and robots building hobby.
This is NOT a Dynamics product, nor am I in any way related with the company.
Use at your own risk!

How about a circuit diagram?

[anubis801]

Schematic

[LROBBINS]

Note that this is just the adapter that goes between the "programming plug" of a DX programming cable (i.e. RS232) and those controllers/modules that use the charging port for programming. You still need a dongle and USB to serial adapter if your computer doesn't have an RS232 port. Ciao, Lenny

[anubis801]

This is correct! You must have the Security dongle to program your controller.
Without the security dongle to unlock/license the "original" Wizard software program, you can only read the status report from your controller with this circuit.
In theory the dongle is just a license key which the software looks for through a software hardware driver.

Well, that is if you want to keep it legal
Not really a problem for Russia and China

[anubis801]

Finished!
I got 10 PCB's left over, if anyone is interested in a bare PCB send me a PM.

[woodygb]

Communication success with RHINO controller. ....NO dongle ..NO DWIZ-ADAPT ...NO board ...comms via cheap CH340 chip USB -SERIAL Adapter

e.g. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-USB2-0-TO ... SwuAVWx9ih

This adapter MUST use a win chip head CH340/341 or HL340 NOT a Prolific chip.

You will see 340 embossed on the RS232 end of the cable.

Wizard snapshot.

[terry2]

Fantastic news

[woodygb]

NOTE:- The Rhino scooter controller.... unlike wheelchair controllers/joysticks ....doesn't need the DWIZ-ADAPT as it has one built in to it.

I'll probably ask you to test two options on the wheelchair version...one will be using your DWIZ-ADAPT and the above Rhino solution...the other a guess at what the signal mode is that is coming via the charging port and without the DWIZ-ADAPT.

[terry2]

NOTE:- The Rhino scooter controller.... unlike wheelchair controllers/joysticks ....doesn't need the DWIZ-ADAPT as it has one built in to it.

I'll probably ask you to test two options on the wheelchair version.

I'm all for testing

Was your OS win 98 or win 7?

[woodygb]

WIN 10 64 bit.

[terry2]

Thanks Woody

[LROBBINS]

Note that some Dynamic systems do need the DWIZ-ADAPT and some do not. The one Rachi used to have on her chair - the DX-SCR = SpecialtyControlsRemote had a separate mini-DIN style programming port connected by a straight through cable to a DB9 (RS232) plug. Of course, one still needs a USB to serial adapter if your computer doesn't have an old-fashioned COM port, so I'm glad you've found one that works well. I kept a clunky old Toshiba laptop just to use for the Wizard. Wonder if the FTDI USB to RS232 adapter I use with the Roboteq would also work?
Ciao,
Lenny