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Postby duke1 » 09 Nov 2020, 11:47

hi all i found this it looks good and ticks most of the boxes for my tina but if anyone has experience of this chair please advise if it any good,ie can we program it and fit centre footplate?if its suitable i going to make wcs pay with the so called pwb,anyone?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAN-OS-AIRID ... 4503220157
if you scroll to bottom of the ad theres lots pics,cheers all
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Re: vanos airide any good?

Postby steves1977uk » 09 Nov 2020, 12:08

Programming is easy since it has VR2. WCS might tell you the PWB is not allowed for buying used chairs, so be prepared to fight and tell them it is!

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Re: vanos airide any good?

Postby Burgerman » 09 Nov 2020, 12:42

Dont tell them what you are going to spend it on. Its non of their damned business. New, used, home built, custom build, 4mph or 40mph.
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Postby Burgerman » 09 Nov 2020, 14:06

its suitable i going to make wcs pay with the so called pwb,anyone?

A pwb doesent pay for any chair.

It or they are supposed to assess you for a chair that is a) 4mph, no lights. b) fits your clinical and holistic and lifestyle needs. You can assess yourself, - I do. They then choose a chair to base the costing on, say a TDXSP or whatever that they would supply that fits these needs. They then add a budget for maintainance of approx 100 a year which isnt adequate but whatever, and the price of a suitable cushion or/and back or any other special requirements. They then transfer that figure to your account. At this point your WCS wash their hands of you for 3 or 5 years and what you spend it on is your own business.

At lest thats how it was intended to work, and exactly what happens to me. Hence I just bought a 6mph chair with lights, and all the stuff I need USED on Ebay althought its literally never been "used" at all. Tested only. I could have used it in any way that satisfied my mobility needs. Non of their business.
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Re: vanos airide any good?

Postby Burgerman » 09 Nov 2020, 17:57

https://www.solutionsmobility.co.uk/pro ... werchairs/

Worth a look. They are open to offers.
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Re: vanos airide any good?

Postby duke1 » 01 Dec 2020, 21:07

hi all well after nearly 2 years fighting i think we have finally got somewhere with getting a suitable chair for my tina using the personal wheelchair budget to purchase a used chair via ebay seller as in op link solutions mobility, however they still insist we must also purchase the extended warranty and we have to wait for wcs to send a purchase order after they deem it suitable which they did today,so maybe just maybe my efforts are not invain!
but im not going to count on it yet as it be just my luck the chair sells before they act,it seems there will never be any similar enactment of the pwb along the lines of bms direct payment for atleast another year in our area.
also in answer to the question of the difference between the voucher system and the version of the pwb they have adopted here in sussex is and this is from wcs manager email
In terms of the difference between vouchers and personal wheelchair budgets, please see the personal wheelchair budget leaflet on our website for more information: https://www.sussexcommunity.nhs.uk/serv ... ryID=16359. There are a number of differences, including the introduction of support plans to support more holistic and collaborative assessment, but one of the big differences that is relevant to Linda is that independent vouchers were only permitted for manual wheelchairs, whereas now the personal wheelchair budget scheme includes powered wheelchairs. I accept that as a service we do have further work to do in order to be fully using the personal wheelchair budget system as intended, however we are working on this, along with many other services in the country. The request to purchase second hand is a new situation for us, so we are establishing the process as we do it. As I mentioned in a previous email, when it comes to client choice regarding how to spend the money, there are still going to be limitations, even with the personal wheelchair budget process. Giving clients the money to spend as they wish e.g. purchasing via auction sites or self-building, would be more in keeping with a ‘direct payment’, which is not routinely available for personal wheelchair budgets at present. NHS England and the Department of Health and Social Care are looking into this further at the moment
so no for now i reckon this is the best we can hope for and tbh im so fed up seeing my tina uncomfortable and getting about by bouncing of the damn walls like some crazy punishing pin ball!
in the mean time tomorrow morning im of to pick up a dead cheap 4mph pride chair with tilt and recline seating just needs a set of lead bricks and footrest sorting and will make her comfy and be able to move freely round the house till and if we get the van os sorted :joint .
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Postby Burgerman » 01 Dec 2020, 22:30

I accept that as a service we do have further work to do in order to be fully using the personal wheelchair budget system as intended, however we are working on this, along with many other services in the country.

All of this was intended to be done, And FULLY USING and implemented by 2016, according to the NHS own website. As instructed by NHS boss Simon Stephens. So they are 5 years behind in january . And even then only because you are forcing them. Thats their fault not yours. As I said, they are a socialst institution. They resist change desperately. And are like a brick wall. But you can force them. And the ONLY way to make them change is to do so. Or another 5 years will pass.

The request to purchase second hand is a new situation for us, so we are establishing the process as we do it. As I mentioned in a previous email, when it comes to client choice regarding how to spend the money, there are still going to be limitations, even with the personal wheelchair budget process. Giving clients the money to spend as they wish e.g. purchasing via auction sites or self-building, would be more in keeping with a ‘direct payment’, which is not routinely available for personal wheelchair budgets at present. NHS England and the Department of Health and Social Care are looking into this further at the moment


As for "routinely available" direct payment option that just means you need to give them a good reason why. And it wasnt routine here either. Not "routine" just means it IS POSSIBLE but they dont like change... Thats just you against them as to if they implement this or not. And routine means it can be if you insist and show why this is a better method for your situation and gives you a better outcome... As I already proved 5 times. Your job is to kick them into shape and make them take this option seriously. As I did.
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Re: vanos airide any good?

Postby duke1 » 03 Dec 2020, 15:21

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I accept that as a service we do have further work to do in order to be fully using the personal wheelchair budget system as intended, however we are working on this, along with many other services in the country.

All of this was intended to be done, And FULLY USING and implemented by 2016, according to the NHS own website. As instructed by NHS boss Simon Stephens. So they are 5 years behind in january . And even then only because you are forcing them. Thats their fault not yours. As I said, they are a socialst institution. They resist change desperately. And are like a brick wall. But you can force them. And the ONLY way to make them change is to do so. Or another 5 years will pass.

The request to purchase second hand is a new situation for us, so we are establishing the process as we do it. As I mentioned in a previous email, when it comes to client choice regarding how to spend the money, there are still going to be limitations, even with the personal wheelchair budget process. Giving clients the money to spend as they wish e.g. purchasing via auction sites or self-building, would be more in keeping with a ‘direct payment’, which is not routinely available for personal wheelchair budgets at present. NHS England and the Department of Health and Social Care are looking into this further at the moment


As for "routinely available" direct payment option that just means you need to give them a good reason why. And it wasnt routine here either. Not "routine" just means it IS POSSIBLE but they dont like change... Thats just you against them as to if they implement this or not. And routine means it can be if you insist and show why this is a better method for your situation and gives you a better outcome... As I already proved 5 times. Your job is to kick them into shape and make them take this option seriously. As I did.

hi bm i never give up its not in my nature,so i went and bought tina a used cheap pride fusion with tilt and recline and all i had to do was fit new batterys which tayna delivered this morning.
and are fitted and working,tiny lead 33ah like fecking toy car! but its only for indoor has very narrow footprint and most important is tina can now be comfortable and safe and not breaking bones bouncing of the walls!
which means i no longer need to feel guilty her having to wait whilst i fight for the pwb and our choice of chair,they have said its been authorised but not heard anything yet and i bet it sells first.
even our mp could not get them to budge until they have heard back from nhs england but i have disability rights dude also getting on the case.
i also found from the same seller another 6mph puma 40 complete other than lead is missing but for £50 its a bargain even just for spares and has all the tilt recline electric legrests etc so im happy,and all for less than £250 why cant wcs do the same in 2 bloody years ! banghead tinas happier,winner :dance :joint cheers
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Postby Burgerman » 03 Dec 2020, 17:05

Because its a socialist institution. And as such nobody has any responsibility. It couldnt survive in the real world.

As such if you call and bully them every day, send letters to their bosses weekly, a simple thing that could be done in a day might get done in a year. Maybe. They cant go bust, you cant go elsewhere, they cant be fired, they dont want your money as they are paid via your taxes directly, theres no competition, theres no need for them to do anything other than turn up and drink coffee arrange meeings and collect wages, of not already on holiday.
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Re: vanos airide any good?

Postby duke1 » 26 Jan 2021, 21:34

hi all well after a jolly longwinded battle with our local wcs approx 2 years in total today we finally got an email from solutions mobility to say at long last there invoice has been paid and in 7-10 days the chair will be delivered and i guess we will find out then if its any better than the awful things the wcs have tried to give her,still a bit annoyed we could not manage to get a direct payment but this is the next best thing (and likely to be how other ccgs do it) this is the first time our ccg has done a pwb of any kind for electric wheelchair and first time its been allowed for a used chair,atleast this one is rwd has suspension and pneumatic tyres and is 6mph and we can reprogram unlike the wcs with linx system so should be able to make it driveable it just needs a centre footplate fitting and chair adjusted to fit my tina which i can do easy enough,just hope it proves to be worth the fight!
but from where we started with wcs denial that pwb even existed at all i think we done ok,so dont let anyone tell you pwb cannot buy a used chair of your choice because you can if you keep pressure up on the lazy buggers long enough! about 2 years.peace :joint
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Postby Burgerman » 27 Jan 2021, 16:49

this is the first time our ccg has done a pwb of any kind for electric wheelchair


They still havent. Personal means yourselves. Not paying for a chair belonging to a dealer. But its a start. Now start on them again ready for next time. Since it always takes tham at least 12 month when pushed hard, I start on them at least a year early. Since thats the only way to get the thing done every 3 years as agreed. Dont let up or they convieniently "forget".
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Postby duke1 » 27 Jan 2021, 19:03

Burgerman wrote:
this is the first time our ccg has done a pwb of any kind for electric wheelchair


They still havent. Personal means yourselves. Not paying for a chair belonging to a dealer. But its a start. Now start on them again ready for next time. Since it always takes tham at least 12 month when pushed hard, I start on them at least a year early. Since thats the only way to get the thing done every 3 years as agreed. Dont let up or they convieniently "forget".


hi bm well it seems the wcs have had the chair sent to the dealers they use in our hometown and im almost sure thats so they can reprogram it back down to 4mph as per the nhs guideline nonsense,
good job we have all we need to reprogram it back again if needs be,i swear they want to try kill of chair users by making slow unsteerable chairs even if they do not start out that way!
the buggers think they will be done dealing with me soon but ive now applied for my assessment for a powerchair and am going to insist on a direct payment however much fuss i have to make :lol:
as i have a choice of chairs im in no hurry but shall do so now out of principle as they have made my tina wait for so long and she would still be suffering now if we hadnt gone and bought a cheap used chair for her indoors which never should have been at our cost but till recent her needs had been for a very basic chair but my god if id any idea how hard they could make it i may have thought twice!
anyhow we shall see how long it takes them to deliver it now,not holding my breath! :joint
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Postby Burgerman » 27 Jan 2021, 20:40

hi bm well it seems the wcs have had the chair sent to the dealers they use in our hometown


What the hell does it have to do with them?

Its a PERSONAL (you) budget. YOU tell them what you want You tell them when and where to deliver it, and you pay them from your own account. What part of this is a PWB otherwise???

Nobody told me what to do with my budget. They dont even know what I used it for or if I used it at all. Because its a personal wheelchair budget.
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Postby duke1 » 29 Jan 2021, 17:54

Burgerman wrote:
hi bm well it seems the wcs have had the chair sent to the dealers they use in our hometown


What the hell does it have to do with them?

Its a PERSONAL (you) budget. YOU tell them what you want You tell them when and where to deliver it, and you pay them from your own account. What part of this is a PWB otherwise???

Nobody told me what to do with my budget. They dont even know what I used it for or if I used it at all. Because its a personal wheelchair budget.


hi bm thats the difference yours is direct payment and atm you are the only person in the uk getting regular direct payment i can find,according to the dwla all wcs are going to be taught the correct manner to assess pwb and hopefully it will improve,maybe.
anyhow on brightside i got a call today from solutions mobility and tinas new chair is being delivered to our home on monday :dance so all the hardwork should be worth it,as to the wait well it sucks and if im accepted as a member of the dwla in feb i shall be able to help spread word of the pwb and several other useful things they fail to tell you about,
im not a great fan of institutions and government run websites but the dwla if enacted as per there mission statement could help direct change to the wcs and pwb system and if i can be part of that it gives us a voice.
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Postby Burgerman » 29 Jan 2021, 17:59

It all seems very wordy and says nothing much?
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Postby duke1 » 30 Jan 2021, 20:34

Burgerman wrote:It all seems very wordy and says nothing much?

hi bm its not even started yet but in my opinion unless someone in authority is going to listen it will not be to the likes of us here all moaning about wcs and pwb etc but the people behind the nwla have great influence and are keen to champion the pwb and see it implemented as intended also they can influence nhs policy the chair is this lady im sure you will have heard of her a legendary wheelchair racer, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanni_Grey-Thompson
along with some wcs folk who want things to change believe it or not! and some manufacturer input in the mix,maybe just maybe things can be improved and more than just the odd folk can get pwb and direct payment,
im fighting to get the updated guidelines from nhs england re direct payments in healthcare but they not published it yet it should clarify the system so the wcs will know what they can and cant do and so will we!
anyhow i doubt they will take me as a member but i took the time to write a detailed email and did get a reply and then they have to vote on new members,we shall see but no harm in trying,
cant believe tinas finally going to get her chair monday! cheers and stay well :joint
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Re: vanos airide any good?

Postby duke1 » 03 Feb 2021, 16:06

hi all well tinas new chair from solutions mobility came monday and is exactly as the description and in as new condition i had to get it of the pallet on my own which was great fun!
i only drove it from our driveway where it was delivered and forgot it has the default program and nearly crashed into the frontdoor frame before it decided to steer the right direction! so i stuck it on charge for 24 hrs to fully charge the new lead bricks and have now made a start reprogramming it to drive properly just awaiting tina to try it outdoors to see if its right but it sure turns a bit quicker now,thank god and woody for the lead and shared knowledge to fix the stupid nanny state dangerous delays.
the van os looks to be nicely built and has proper pneumatic black sensible sized tyres and very smart looking wheels and there metal not plastic.
i think this will be a good choice and the novel air suspension system is easy adjustable by adding or removing air via a car type valve on each shock absorber.
the antitip wheels are sensible height to allow use of the ramp and even have proper bearings!
seat is very comfortable back but cushion is not a great fit but wcs are meant to be supplying some kind of air cushion at some point.
so after 2 years we finally got what she needs and was able to choose the chair ourselves and buy used using the poor version of the so called personal wheelchair budget,so people if you want the right chair fight for your right to a pwb and find your own its seemingly the only way if you want a chair you can use.
i shall update once tinas had a drive outdoors but she says she doesnt want to get it dirty!peace :joint :wave:
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Postby Burgerman » 03 Feb 2021, 18:43

she says she doesnt want to get it dirty!

Thats very wise.
What I do is keep the new one and barely use it unless its sunny outside for a couple of years and that means you can use the previous chair and murder it to death. And in 3 years when its new chair time I do the same all over. I like to have at least one as new polished one for best. Its like that court suit you have for best. You wouldnt want to appear in court or go to a wedding/date in a muddy corroded chair.

You really want one where you can sit at the bar 10 inches higher than everyone else too, so you can get served faster and spot the talent early. So a lift is essential!
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Re: vanos airide any good?

Postby duke1 » 19 Mar 2021, 23:13

hi all well its been a few weeks since tina got the van os airide powerchair and i can say a little more about it,firstly id say the build quality is very good indeed it has a light alloy chassis and wheels and seat frame every fastening
is stainless steel as are all the bearings,yes i have taken it apart already! @burgerman this even had grease on every fastener and copper grease on the main swingarm bearings and bushes, :dance
the suspension is a little fiddly to set up perfectly matched each side,there air shocks and surprisingly good compared to the puma 40 or tinas gunter meier chairs,you need a quick release type pump for the suspension or in the time it takes to unscrew the pump from the valve the mudguards hit the wheels very quick but once set it is the best ive tried so far.
seating is excellent very comfy back and now i have fitted a sedeo 3 inch seat cushion from a puma 40 it is perfect for her,still need to find another centre footplate complete and do away with the sticky out footrests.
the chair drives very smoothly after a few changes to the program and might just persuade her to let me have the puma back now!
so thats my opinion of the van os,stay well all :joint
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