dongle R-net

[LROBBINS]

Items imported from the U.S. are certainly subject to VAT here. Items imported into the U.S. are not charged a VAT because the U.S. does not have a Value Added Tax. There may be import duties, however, especially after Trump's revenge duties.

[Burgerman]

I think you are getting hung up on a name.
VAT Is also called a purchase tax, or a sales tax.
In the US its decided by each state. Or a local level. Or both. From zero to 16% total across the USA.

Like this:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... Taxes.webp
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... _Taxes.svg
And
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_tax ... ounty.webp

Import duties are a seperate thing. Sales tax is collected by each seller as it is here.
But its also collected here at customs for individuals, as a customs duty added since its easy as its a blanket 20% as it is in the EU.

If I IMPORT from the US I pay this tax, then our 20% sales (vat) on top. Unless I am not charged this to begin with. Which requires export paperwork to exemp the tax by the seller as in the case of my van.

[Burgerman]

And even if importing into the USA, which obviously I never did, theres costs and taxes and duties...

https://help.cbp.gov/s/article/Article- ... uage=en_US

And you are still liable for sales taxes, too.

To find out if the goods you import into the United States are subject to state or local taxes, you should contact your local or state treasury office. CBP does not collect taxes on behalf of the state.

They are just collected differently than by customs. Or not, should you fail to bother paying.

[slomobile]

That makes sense now. I'll probably forget in a minute, but will have this reference to refer to.

The supposed brand new OEM B dongle arrived. It was a Dealer A with no packaging, no cable, no software or anything else.
They say they'll wait till Monday to contact their supplier and see whats up.

At least I finally have something in hand to work with.

[Burgerman]

Everyone that thinks they ordered an OEM one end up being wrong.
Theres 2 places that will or can supply them as far as I know.
One place, where the head office for PG Drives is, in the UK. IF they believe you know what you are talking about and have a good reason (E.G build your own chairs, and maybe soccer chairs or something).

And the powersoccershop.

Dealer ones on the other hand can be supplied by any dealer, shop, or anyone with a sunrise or other powerchair account. So I can get one, and have it here in a week? If its in stock/and they may not be right now... But normally thats the case.

You should be able to do the same on your side on the pond. They are after all on the order sheet for every chair. And the parts websites owned by the chair manufacturers too. But they dont want you getting your paws onthe OEM level tools... God forbid! Theres a good reason for that with permobil, but no reason for any other R-Net only system IF the user knows what they are doing. I do, most dealers do not! The WCS here dont either.

[expresso]

https://www.southwestmedical.com/replac ... programmer

anyone can buy a dealer version A - no questions - its not cheap thats all


for this cost - i managed to get a OEM B years ago - i actually paid less then

but at worse case - this is it - you can still use OEM software and get the job done - work around

i would still try for the B OEM - wait for stock to come back -

[Seajays]

i have one for sale check the listing it is $200 less than I paid.

[shirley_hkg]

Bought an OEM dongle at $697 from PowerSoccer in 2021 July .

[Seajays]

I have one for sale $500 CDN

[Burgerman]

Thats 303 uk pounds. Or 375 us dollars. Canadian appears to be monopoly money. Thats a sensible price.

[q700m]

PROGRAMMATORE DTT R-NET/ VR2
what can be done with this programmer?

[Burgerman]

Not 100% sure. But definitely dealer level R-Net, but you really can do the OEM as well as you can edit the data on a PC where its way easier to see anyway with the PC software and write it back to the chair. And vr2 as well. Its really a tool to allow a production line tech to install the right version of the settings to each custom seating chair, or ones with say 2 pole motors etc.

[q700m]

FILE MANAGEMENT AND DATA STORAGE
As well as being a conventional programming tool, the DTT is an effective
storage device, meaning programming files can be easily transferred from
vehicle to vehicle, or onto a PC for further editing or emailing back to a
service center.
The benefits are numerous. For example, if it is required to set-up a fleet of
vehicles with an identical program, the DTT can be simply connected to
each in turn. Further if an OEM wishes to make remote, but secure,
programming changes, they can transfer files to a DTT for use by external
personnel. The DTT can then write that file to a controller, but there would
be no access to any sensitive parameter

[q700m]

FILE MANAGEMENT AND DATA STORAGE
As well as being a conventional programming tool, the DTT is an effective
storage device, meaning programming files can be easily transferred from
vehicle to vehicle, or onto a PC for further editing or emailing back to a
service center.
The benefits are numerous. For example, if it is required to set-up a fleet of
vehicles with an identical program, the DTT can be simply connected to
each in turn. Further if an OEM wishes to make remote, but secure,
programming changes, they can transfer files to a DTT for use by external
personnel. The DTT can then write that file to a controller, but there would
be no access to any sensitive parameter

so, you can not change all the parameters?

[Burgerman]

Correct. I THINK it only behaves as a basic dealer programmer but allows you to store different OEM level presets for various chairs that are mde with an OEM programmer. But I never looked into it. Because the desktop sotware is easier anyway.

Its a bit like a dealer dongle with a dealer level software with a screen. And a memory store of presets for VR2 and R-Net tht your boss or engineering department has pre installed. To let you put the right preset of settings onto each chair as its built.

Remembr that only OEM staff are "allowed" access to those highly dangerous and complex OEM level tools. Not just normal plebs like the production line staff. Or the typical dealer or tech. Because its all much too dangerous to allow OEM level tools out into the field.

[q700m]

then no way i can access is modify any parameter oem?

[Scragger7]

Everyone that thinks they ordered an OEM one end up being wrong.
Theres 2 places that will or can supply them as far as I know.

There's the place here in aus sells OEM is i got one from there after the guy on this forum ripped me off.

[Burgerman]

Where?

[q700m]

FILE MANAGEMENT AND DATA STORAGE
As well as being a conventional programming tool, the DTT is an effective
storage device, meaning programming files can be easily transferred from
vehicle to vehicle, or onto a PC for further editing or emailing back to a
service center.
The benefits are numerous. For example, if it is required to set-up a fleet of
vehicles with an identical program, the DTT can be simply connected to
each in turn. Further if an OEM wishes to make remote, but secure,
programming changes, they can transfer files to a DTT for use by external
personnel. The DTT can then write that file to a controller, but there would
be no access to any sensitive parameter

uses some files can be the same as the dongle uses?

[Burgerman]

The benefits are numerous. For example, if it is required to set-up a fleet of
vehicles with an identical program, the DTT can be simply connected to
each in turn.

So can the PC and oem or dealer software. Only it is much clearer to see what you are doing on a PC/or LAPTOP.

Further if an OEM wishes to make remote, but secure,
programming changes, they can transfer files to a DTT for use by external
personnel.

Meaning a man with a PC/Laptop that is a manufacturer, can give someone an OEM edited file, (as we do already) for the dealer level hand DTT held programming box to load onto a chair. Just like you can with a deaer level dongle and dealer PC software... But the DTT box cannot edit those things.

The DTT can then write that file to a controller, but there would
be no access to any sensitive parameter

Meaning its DEALER or end user level. In case the dealer/end user (or production line worker) is an idiot. Which mostly they are. Its a dealer level tool. Works exactly the same way as a dealer level PC software/dongle.

[q700m]

if i want to change the motors compensation resistor, can i do it somehow or not?

[Burgerman]

Yes.
You would do exactly the same thing as you would using the dealer PC version and dongle.

You would do the "workaround"...

It effectively does the same thing as the Dealer PC version, with a tiny screen and more expence...

[martin007]

I get into the subject.

How to differentiate an R-net dongle (OEM) from other R-net dongles?

Is it possible to connect a computer directly to the powerchair and do without the R-net dongle?

[steves1977uk]

Not possible Martin as the dongle is mandatory for programming the R-net system on a PC. AFAIK it hasn't been reversed engineered to find out what is needed, although I believe Irving was looking into this.

Steve

[Burgerman]

Your other question...
They LOOK identical, other than there is a tiny white sticker on the back with a letter A in it in the DEALER version. And a B n the OEM version.

[martin007]

Am I to understand that the dealer version is inferior in features and programming options?

[Burgerman]

Yes.

[q700m]

can you find the user manual PROGRAMMATORE DTTR-NET/ VR2 ?
I can't find anything about this programmer

[Burgerman]

No. But theres not much to know that isnt already above.

[martin007]

Can VR2 also be reprogrammed with the R-net dongle?