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Re: a revealing experience

Postby martin007 » 01 Apr 2023, 13:46

LROBBINS wrote:Lucky you. This varies from country to country, airport to airport, and year to year. Worst was once in Munich (Germany) when they absolutely refused to bring her chair to the plane and carried her up and down stairs on an aisle chair without belts. It hasn't happened since then (just some grumbling various times), but if it every happens again I will sit on the floor until the police come.



We have all suffered similar things.
Last thursday i almost got into an argument with a bus driver.
He wanted me to lower a curb of plus of 14 cm because he had not brought the bus closer to the sidewalk...
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Re: a revealing experience

Postby Burgerman » 02 Apr 2023, 01:57

Another reason never to use public transport.
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Re: a revealing experience

Postby GunterBeckman » 02 Apr 2023, 07:19

[quote=Burgerman] Another reason never to use public transport.[/quote]


i am not rich enough to fly with a Bombardier Global 7000

so how do you travel out your small island ?
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Re: a revealing experience

Postby Burgerman » 02 Apr 2023, 08:51

I wasnt refering to aircraft.

We have all suffered similar things.
Last thursday i almost got into an argument with a bus driver.
He wanted me to lower a curb of plus of 14 cm because he had not brought the bus closer to the sidewalk...


Trains and buses. Useless and unreliable.

And the UK has ships and channel tunnel connections to the whole european continent so I can drive... The only practical solution for me anyway in any case as I need carer/equipment/other things and relibility - non of which aircraft or rail or buses provide or allow.
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Re: a revealing experience

Postby Dan » 02 Apr 2023, 11:57

Burgerman wrote:Trains and buses. Useless and unreliable.

And the UK has ships and channel tunnel connections to the whole european continent so I can drive... The only practical solution for me anyway in any case as I need carer/equipment/other things and relibility - non of which aircraft or rail or buses provide or allow.


Many on here can't drive. I for one think the railyways are great but buses are a nightmare, bus drivers are the worst.
What would you do if you were unable to drive?
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Re: a revealing experience

Postby Burgerman » 02 Apr 2023, 12:33

I would be at the mercy of the public transport system. Is that a problem? Its a huge one for me! Mostly when I go out its for 3 things.

1. Shopping. I do that every week and get shit loads of stuff in bulk, and fresh oods from the back of the shelves where they hide it to get rid of the shortly to expire stuff at the front. This may be a couple of huge boxes worth of stuff. Say 10 packs of 24 drinks, plus food etc. This goes in my van easily. Not so on a bus. Even if a bus went to my home, and the supermarket which it doesent. And even if the too small disabled parking slot was free, and it turned up close enough to a ramp to actually get on or off. Plus its expensive, and full of the type of people I go out of my way to avoid.

2. To go out in an evening. Well the "last" bus home may have no access, no space as theres already a user in that place, and that unreliability means I could be stranded. And it means waiting around near midnight with all the undesirables that are now filling our country with knoves, druggies, drunks all over the place. So thank you but not if theres any alternative. (there is).

3. I go out to GET stuff, bbq gas bottles, for e.g that again cant go by bus. Or train. If these things actually went anywhere near the places I want to go to. Or when I wanted to go. For e.g my model plane flying hobby is at an out of town farmers air strip. How can I get all my gear, fuel, planes, etc on a bus? Especially when the nearest bus stop is around 5 miles away. It takes me an hour or so to load up the right things to go flying. I often do this and load the van the night before. Including ileostomy equipment and means of emptying it, food, drinks, medication, as well as all my gear. You cant do any of that on a train or bus. I crash on occasion. So need my quadcopter too to spot it and mark GPS coordinates and then drive a freind to a spot nearby to clim a fence and collect the wrekage and engine/RC gear etc. Will a bus do that?

Buses or trains are OK if only transporting someone to work in some office job. In "normal hours" if you dont mind waiting a lot, getting riped off, sitting in a deseased seat that some old person has leaked on, or fighting your way through shopping baskets and scooters to get to the disabled spot. If the ramp works, if they park close enough, if you want to be mugged while listening to some scrotums music. Not for me. What pisses me off even more is that the rest of us are forced into subsidising dirtyunreliable public transport as it cannot pay its way even at extortionate prices.

Its all just not useful, safe, clean or reliable enough to be practical. And stupidly expensive! Even though its all subsidised by normal working people that have cars.

So what would I do?
1. Suffer that shit.
2. Learn to drive and get a vehicle.
3. Get a GF that can drive... :clap And then get a vehicle. Its way cheaper anyway. Maybe not the GF part. Thos can work out very costly.
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Re: a revealing experience

Postby Burgerman » 02 Apr 2023, 12:54

P.S.
The trains that are heavily subsidised are great in london. (where they are reasonable accessible as long as you dont mind being mugged etc) as long as one goes from outside your house to the place you actually want to go. And that for unknown reasons you dont want to take any stuff with you in either direction.

But while london and a few big cities are OK for that, the rest of the country is hopeless. You are relying on a train to turn up (mostly late, or replaced with a coach that are not accessible) and then relying on a boarding ramp that has to be brought to the train by a non existent employee on an unmanned station. And thats if they remember. Which they do about 2/3rds the time. And its frequently not actually possible to get into a carriage at all depending on type. So the trains are also useless. If they are not
a. On strike.
b. Not running because, leaves, snow, fault, staff, etc.
c. Too late and miss connection.

The trouble is that a, b, c is more normal than otherwise. And the nearest station requires a bus ride... And same all over again.

Today they are NOT on strike! (unusual) and its spring si no leaves on the line, no snow, ice or floods preventing them work properly. Yet https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_ ... today.aspx
Most of the country is having major issues as usual.

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Engineering work is taking place in the Sheffield area, closing some lines.

The Grimsby to Meadowhall service will not run. A bus will be provided to Sheffield.

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You can check your journey using the National Rail Enquiries real-time Journey Planner

Replacement Bus Travel Advice:

For helpful advice if you need to travel on a rail replacement service, including accessibility and bicycle information, please use this page.

You can find the location of your bus replacement by checking station signs or by searching for your station on our station information pages.


That rules out my meadowhall trip with my ex. This one more reason why trains are useless.
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Re: a revealing experience

Postby steves1977uk » 02 Apr 2023, 15:57

That rules out my meadowhall trip with my ex. This one more reason why trains are useless.


I've been to Meadowhall not that long ago BM, maybe someday I'll meet you there! :thumbup:

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Re: a revealing experience

Postby Burgerman » 02 Apr 2023, 19:27

I only go when heavy persuasion makes me. I hate shopping! :cussing
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Re: a revealing experience

Postby Burgerman » 02 Apr 2023, 21:56

A teenager has been rushed to hospital after being stabbed on a bus in South London. The Metropolitan Police said today they were called to an incident in Blackheath during the afternoon on Saturday following reports a 16-year-old was stabbed on a bus near the centre of Blackheath Grove.

The teen was rushed to hospital following the stabbing, which occurred at approximately 4.20pm, after ambulances and officers attended the scene.

The Metropolitan Police said: "Police were called at approximately 16:20hrs on Saturday, 1 April to reports of a male suffering stab injuries in Blackheath Grove, SE3.


Another reason not to use trains or buses. They are loaded with the sort of people that do the above. Even if not stabbed you may be robbed, attacked, or catch some desease. I go out of my way to avoid people like that. And that means avoiding trains and buses.

Also, please note that almost all of this violent rape, knife, gun, muggings etc stuff is in and around the capital or other inner cities. It hppens to a degree everywhere but its abot 5 times as likely in th black areas of london statistically. And almost completely a black, on black, or occasionally black on white thing. And that blacks make up just a couple of percent of the UK population. But a much larger percentage of london. London is now just 36% white. And that includes non native white. So polish etc. Which is why I cant stand big cities esp london either. They are full of violent and poor criminal people, gangs, drugs, and everything bad about a normal community. London is lost. It doesent resemble or represent the rest of the country. Its all leftys, eu lovers, socialists, and morons that love sadiq khan...
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Re: a revealing experience

Postby slomobile » 04 Apr 2023, 14:29

I worry about people given a small bit of authority thinking they know best, forcing people with different abilities to take inappropriate risks they don't comprehend, even after it is pointed out to them. Unfortunately that description applies to many police as well.

This wheelchair user happened to land at an airport in my state recently. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 373734002/

The police killing of Tyre Nichols also happened in my city.

I've been ruminating about how to resist being forced out of my vehicle during a traffic stop. Supreme court says police have a right to order citizens out of their own vehicles for officer safety. But apparently I do not have a right to remain in my vehicle for my own safety. And if I resist that order, they drag me out forcibly. And whatever injuries I sustain, I cannot sue the police because they have qualified immunity. And that just makes them bolder, harsher, thugs.

Its not about "some bad apples". Some of the specific cops I am most afraid of I have met and even like in certain off duty or peacfull duty situations. Its about good people doing bad things because they feel they have a right to unchallenged power over people. If they order you to move, and you can't, they feel a need to punish you for the insolence. And their SOP is to shout "stop resisting" as they beat you.

Police called to an airport for a passenger refusing to move are likely to drag the passenger in as rough a way as they can. It was an order from their commander in chief. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eVPKpBKGCE
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/lifestyle/tra ... r-AA18ZsqF
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Re: a revealing experience

Postby Burgerman » 04 Apr 2023, 17:22

In this country the police have to obey all the same laws and have a duty of care. And they are not armed. So that stuff doesent happen. If it ever does then they are just as likely to end up un court as everyone else.

Here the cops are not the law. They work as policemen, under the law. In the US they are out of control and a law unto themselves.
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Re: a revealing experience

Postby GunterBeckman » 05 Apr 2023, 03:19

[quote=Burgerman]Here the cops are not the law. They work as policemen, under the law. In the US they are out of control and a law unto themselves.[/quote]

do not generalize on what you see/hear from the media, whether it concerns the US of America or any other country.

here in the US of America I regularly have to deal with the police to ask for their help, and I have never had a single problem.

the US of America has approximately 360,000,000 inhabitants, it is certain, whatever the field, that by multiplying the numbers have multiplied, among other things, the problems.
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Re: a revealing experience

Postby Burgerman » 05 Apr 2023, 05:35

I was replying to this, not the media.

Re: a revealing experience

Postby slomobile » Yesterday, 14:29
I worry about people given a small bit of authority thinking they know best, forcing people with different abilities to take inappropriate risks they don't comprehend, even after it is pointed out to them. Unfortunately that description applies to many police as well.

This wheelchair user happened to land at an airport in my state recently. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 373734002/

The police killing of Tyre Nichols also happened in my city.

I've been ruminating about how to resist being forced out of my vehicle during a traffic stop. Supreme court says police have a right to order citizens out of their own vehicles for officer safety. But apparently I do not have a right to remain in my vehicle for my own safety. And if I resist that order, they drag me out forcibly. And whatever injuries I sustain, I cannot sue the police because they have qualified immunity. And that just makes them bolder, harsher, thugs.
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