how to turn on the other profiles?

[carlo67]

hi
I have the Magic Mobility upgraded version of Hybrid V6, with The Omni2 https://www.magicmobility.com.au/upgrad ... ontroller/

I have : PC programmer R-Net oem software 6.4.0

I have only 1 profile now. I am wondering how to turn on the other profiles?

[Burgerman]

With a programmer. Very easy. But I wonder why you would want more than one profile.

If it is corectly programmed so it drives and steers properly, from super slow on speed 1 to full outdoor capability on speed 5 then that covers everything without a need for swapping profiles.

What would more profiles than achieve?

I have 2 profiles.
1. ALL SPEEDS.
2 EMPTY CHAIR.

Profile 1 is for indoor and out.
Profile 2 has only slow speed, and lower motor compensation so carers can move chair under easy smooth control when chair is unloaded.


Turn on/off like below:

[carlo67]

I had 5 profiles on my old chair
they were very helpful for me, there were different settings in each profiles

[Burgerman]

Yes thats how most are set up. You can do the same if you want.

BUT you only need more than 1 profile if they are set up wrong so tht its hard to control properly!

You can set it so that at speed 1 (all the slowest speed settings) behaves like your slowest indoor profile would.
They you set the faster speed settings (so how it behaves on speed 5) so you get full speed and correct settings for outdoors etc. Same as your fastest profile.

Then everything in between goes from:
Speed 1 = indoor slowest crawl speed with super slow turn speeds etc. YOU choose slow settings in programming.
Speed 2 = slightly faster
speed 3 = medium speed say 3 mph and all settings half way between 1 and 5.
speed 4 = almost full speed, almost same turn speeds as 5 .
speed 5 = full speed, all outdoor settings. You decide on fast outdoor settings.

So you just choose speed. No profiles required. Speeds 234 are just mathematically the ones evenly spaced between speed 1 and 5.

All the "minimum" settings are speed 1. All the (non) minimum normal settings are speed 5.

What do you want the other profiles to do differently???

[Burgerman]

So I can advise?

[carlo67]

I have only 1 profile now. I am wondering how to turn on the other profiles?
the other profiles options doesn't show up [see attachments]

[carlo67]

I have only 1 profile now. I am wondering how to turn on the other profiles?
the other profiles options doesn't show up [see attachments]

[Burgerman]

You already have profiles turned on.
See that line where it says input device? Thats the bit that determines which DEVICE (joystick, or omni, etc) controls the chair. JSM = JoyStickModule. Omni is Omni obviously. That is only set to 7 at the moment. Set to Omni or Universal (allow grab) and you will then have access to that profile on the Omni.

But again, why? It will not achieve anything other than having to change profile in order to change speeds. If you set those up properly in one single profile its much faster and easier to adjust.

Set like this:
And the OMNI will control profile 1,
the JoyStickModule controls profile 2,
and ALL input devices can control profile 3 for e.g. YOU set it to do as you wish. (but you only actually need 1 profile anyway!)

Heres how you set this:

If I were you I would set up 1 CORRECT profile for all speeds on joystick, one CORRECT all speed setup for Omni.

OR

I would set up just one profile, set it up properly so it does every speed exactly as you want and set it to universal. So omni or joystick use the same one. But that really depends on you, and your actual method of control/headset etc.

[GunterBeckman]

With a programmer. Very easy. But I wonder why you would want more than one profile.

If it is corectly programmed so it drives and steers properly, from super slow on speed 1 to full outdoor capability on speed 5 then that covers everything without a need for swapping profiles.

What would more profiles than achieve?

I have 2 profiles.
1. ALL SPEEDS.
2 EMPTY CHAIR.

Profile 1 is for indoor and out.
Profile 2 has only slow speed, and lower motor compensation so carers can move chair under easy smooth control when chair is unloaded.


Turn on/off like below:

each of us is different especially when we are disabled, so it's not a nonsense asking for more than 1 profile

[Burgerman]

I didnt say it was. I was asking WHY?

Reason, because in the past when I properly programmed a single profile for people so that the chair was able to be fully and accurately controlled indoor and out at super low and at full speeds the users discovered that they no longer needed all the other profiles. So disabling them allows for much simpler operation.

I am not saying there ARE no good reasons. I myself have 2. One for all speeds indoors and out. And one that is for INDOOR only (restricted to slow movement) and this has reduced motor load compensation. This profile is marked EMPTY CHAIR as its intended only for carers to use to safely and smoothly use an empty powerchair while moving it around empty. The lower compensation makes it react less jumpily and it doesent need this power or torque when indoors empty. And it cannot inadvertantly be set "fast" with the speed paddle/flag switch.

So in my case theres a sensible reason for 2 profiles. I also use this one when driving it by RC for similar reasons.

I was asking why the poster thinks he needs more?
Because I suspect that its just a case of the profile(s) he is using is configured badly (like every last chair I ever saw) making it hard to control indoors or something. So in an attempt to make it usable they NEED many profiles. I can help fix its control, to the benefit of all speeds on a single profile.

What can you think of that needs an extra profile?

[carlo67]

the other profiles options doesn't show up [see attachments]

You already have profiles turned on.
See that line where it says input device? Thats the bit that determines which DEVICE (joystick, or omni, etc) controls the chair. JSM = JoyStickModule. Omni is Omni obviously. That is only set to 7 at the moment. Set to Omni or Universal (allow grab) and you will then have access to that profile on the Omni.

But again, why? It will not achieve anything other than having to change profile in order to change speeds. If you set those up properly in one single profile its much faster and easier to adjust.

Set like this:
And the OMNI will control profile 1,
the JoyStickModule controls profile 2,
and ALL input devices can control profile 3 for e.g. YOU set it to do as you wish. (but you only actually need 1 profile anyway!)

Image2.jpg

Heres how you set this:

Image1.jpg

If I were you I would set up 1 CORRECT profile for all speeds on joystick, one CORRECT all speed setup for Omni.

OR

I would set up just one profile, set it up properly so it does every speed exactly as you want and set it to universal. So omni or joystick use the same one. But that really depends on you, and your actual method of control/headset etc.

[carlo67]

the other profiles options doesn't show up on the screen [see attachments]

[Burgerman]

Add 12345678 to the list of options available in each profile.

Why are you showing me that screenshot/photo?
The profile appears in the main screes as you change it.

To change profile just press lower left button. No menu needed.

[carlo67]

I need it on the menu because I can't press buttons on the display box

Add 12345678 to the list of options available in each profile.

Why are you showing me that screenshot/photo?
The profile appears in the main screes as you change it.

To change profile just press lower left button. No menu needed.

[Burgerman]

But thats not how it normally works. I dont have an Omni here but that is an omni internal setup programming thing I presume.
You need the omni tech pdf file to find out how to adjust its internal menu.

[carlo67]

help please

But thats not how it works. I dont have an Omni here but that is an omni internal setup programming thing I presume.

[Burgerman]

Bring it here and I will figure it out!

Did you add the 12345678 items yet? Those are the things that are available in each profile.

Your user menu can have up to 16 items in its list. You need the Omni2 manual to find out how you set that up. Its not in the R-Net programmer. Its in internal programming menu I think. You do already have this profile thing enabled.

Tell me, can you send me YOUR profile to look at anyway?
Attach here.

Also now we understand the problem, maybe rover will be along he has experience of setting up these Omni devices and alternative controls. I dont and cant try out things here.

[carlo67]

yes

now it is working on button on display unit
but it is not helpful

Bring it here and I will figure it out!

Did you add the 12345678 items yet? Those are the things that are available in each profile.

Your user menu can have up to 16 items in its list. You need the Omni2 manual to find out how you set that up. Its not in the R-Net programmer. Its in internal programming menu I think. You do already have this profile thing enabled.

Tell me, can you send me YOUR profile to look at anyway?
Attach here.

[Burgerman]

Then go to your internal omni programming and to this:
USER CONTROL and add the required menu item, PROFILE.
You can add up to 16 items in any order.

9.2 Accessing Wheelchair Functions
The Omni can be programmed to access all the available wheelchair
functions in two ways – by Menu or by Sequence. The programmable
parameter that sets the access method is User Control.

http://countries.permobil.com/Documenta ... l%20IR.pdf
page 36

[Burgerman]

And 3rd time lucky...
Tell me, can you send me YOUR profile to look at anyway?
Attach here.

[carlo67]

here is my settings file

yes

now it is working on button on display unit
but it is not helpful

Bring it here and I will figure it out!

Did you add the 12345678 items yet? Those are the things that are available in each profile.

Your user menu can have up to 16 items in its list. You need the Omni2 manual to find out how you set that up. Its not in the R-Net programmer. Its in internal programming menu I think. You do already have this profile thing enabled.

Tell me, can you send me YOUR profile to look at anyway?
Attach here.

[Burgerman]

That shows me that your OMNI profile will never let you steer or hit a doorway properly at any speed and thais is why you WANT extra profiles.

[carlo67]

I had 5 profiles on my old chair
they were very helpful for me, there were different settings in each profiles

That shows me that your OMNI profile will never let you steer or hit a doorway properly at any speed and thais is why you WANT extra profiles.

[Burgerman]

Why do you need different settings in different profiles?
This is entirely your choice.
1. I am just interested in why?

With the settings you have now in the one profile you are using, you will never be able to hit a doorway or steer well and so will need different profiles for different speeds. But by having many different profiles to chhose from you will be able to choose between say 5 or 6 still terrible ones that all go at different speeds...

2. What INPUT device do you use (head array, proportional??? Latched? Joystick?)
3. How do you operate your menu?
4. When your chair is turning, and you tell it to STOP turning, do you want it to still keep on turning left or right for 3 seconds?

[carlo67]

Why do you need different settings in different profiles?
This is entirely your choice. YES MY CHOICE
1. I am just interested in why?

With the settings you have now in the one profile you are using, you will never be able to hit a doorway or steer well and so will need different profiles for different speeds. But by having many different profiles to chhose from you will be able to choose between say 5 or 6 still terrible ones that all go at different speeds...

2. What INPUT device do you use (head array, proportional??? Latched? Joystick?) JOYSTICK [SEE ATTACHMENT]
3. How do you operate your menu? WITH BIG RED BUTTON
4. When your chair is turning, and you tell it to STOP turning, do you want it to still keep on turning left or right for 3 seconds?

[Burgerman]

Can you answer 1 and 4?

[carlo67]

Why do you need different settings in different profiles?
This is entirely your choice.
1. I am just interested in why?

With the settings you have now in the one profile you are using, you will never be able to hit a doorway or steer well and so will need different profiles for different speeds. But by having many different profiles to chhose from you will be able to choose between say 5 or 6 still terrible ones that all go at different speeds... IT IS WORKING FOR ME VERY WELL

2. What INPUT device do you use (head array, proportional??? Latched? Joystick?)
3. How do you operate your menu?
4. When your chair is turning, and you tell it to STOP turning, do you want it to still keep on turning left or right for 3 seconds?

NO

[carlo67]

I don't have the USER CONTROL

Then go to your internal omni programming and to this:
USER CONTROL and add the required menu item, PROFILE.
You can add up to 16 items in any order.

9.2 Accessing Wheelchair Functions
The Omni can be programmed to access all the available wheelchair
functions in two ways – by Menu or by Sequence. The programmable
parameter that sets the access method is User Control.

http://countries.permobil.com/Documenta ... l%20IR.pdf
page 36

[Burgerman]

4. When your chair is turning, and you tell it to STOP turning, do you want it to still keep on turning left or right for 3 seconds?

NO

Well then, in your programming why do you have TURN DECELERATION set to 30?
And then you have MINIMUM TURN DECELERATION set to 20?

JUST these two settings alone will make your chair KEEP TURNING for around 3 seconds AFTER you choose to stop turning. Even if you apply OPPOSITE turn...

This (and several other) setting alone will make it almost impossible to steer or hit a doorway properly. This and a few other settings are why you think you actually need more profiles.

This is why I asked question 1 which you still didnt answer.

[carlo67]

these settings working very well for me

go back to my original question lol

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4. When your chair is turning, and you tell it to STOP turning, do you want it to still keep on turning left or right for 3 seconds?

NO

Well then, in your programming why do you have TURN DECELERATION set to 30?
And then you have MINIMUM TURN DECELERATION set to 20?

JUST these two settings alone will make your chair KEEP TURNING for around 3 seconds AFTER you choose to stop turning. Even if you apply OPPOSITE turn...

This (and several other) setting alone will make it almost impossible to steer or hit a doorway properly. This and a few other settings are why you think you actually need more profiles.

This is why I asked question 1 which you still didnt answer.