type of electronics

[Raro]

What type of electronics is the one in the photo? It has a Groove chair mounted

[Burgerman]

Beats me. Dont recognise it.

[Dan]

It looks very similar to the Quickie iQ joysticks from the fatherland.

https://www.ebay.de/itm/295216380306

[Burgerman]

Ah. A long time ago the olde worlde early groove models used a delphi electronics setup (long since gone out of business or returned to the automotive world) that caused them shit loads of issues. I would have expected them to have all been replaced or died by now. Those were regularly removed and retrofitted with PG drives controls. Most of them didnt work properly or so I am reliably informed. But you have one!

This was them I think. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphi_Technologies

[Raro]

correct!
Mine is a couple of months older than the one in the link. It is from the first chair I had at that time. There was also the (more expensive) PG option. well it has never given me any problems but maybe it was just luck What I can tell you is that it is very comfortable to use, everything is very close to hand and you can go from the seat module to driving with a single touch of the joystick. Has anyone here rescheduled any of these?

[Raro]

The controller is almost the same as this one, it governs the lights, the seat functions and the motors. I don't know what technical specifications it will have.

https://mobilityequipmentforless.com/pr ... rol-module

[Burgerman]

Has anyone here rescheduled any of these?

Not sure what reschedled means?

Most were rescheduled into the bin. Not seen one of those for 20 years now. They were sunrise medicals bad dream. Rapidly replaced or forgotten.

[Raro]

I mean I guess it could be configured like other types of electronics, on the front it has a connector maybe through it with a cable and PC could it be done?

I ask just to know more about him.

[martin007]

woodygb is the specialist in those topics.

[Burgerman]

It could have been done back in the day 2 decades ago. No idea what interface or software you would be able to use/get now.

[Raro]

Thanks, maybe I'll ask woodygb if he knows anything about him.

[woodygb]

I have ZERO experience with Delphi... however , these links MIGHT provide you with what you seek.

https://quickie-iq.software.informer.com/download/

https://manualzz.com/doc/6366464/quicki ... r-s-manual

2 minutes in...


youtu.be/0_4ZXSWUeJ0

[woodygb]

POSSIBLY the interface used.

https://web.archive.org/web/20041217122 ... BtoCAN.pdf

[steves1977uk]

I have one of those on a Groove chair I bought a few years ago, the PM uses the same motor plugs as Curtiss-Wright (PG Drives). I also have the Delphi handheld programmer too. None of it is any use to me.

Steve

[Raro]

thank you very much goodygb! Esteban, why do you say that the programmer is of no use to you?

[martin007]

thank you very much goodygh! Esteban, why do you say that the programmer is of no use to you?

Esteban no entiende español...

[Raro]

Yes I was wrong although I think you would understand
Steves1977uk why do you say that the programmer is of no use to you?

[Burgerman]

Because theres about 1 chair with that control system still in use or still funcioning in the universe. And you have it. The model T of chairs/controllers. Remember that most chairs are 5 year service life at best. I replace ine every 3 years.

I dont know how but your chair is from the previous century. Literally. And you are still using it. But its only you! So its programmer is of no use to steve.

I still have an old invacare dynamic programmer. Thats much newer. And yet for the very same reasons I will likely never need that again either. Too old and superceeded now.

[Raro]

Clarified, I didn't quite understand what Steve was saying.
Mine is barely used anymore but it's not that old or the only one, I see some for sale from time to time and they do say that the useful life is five years, cars also have to be replaced with ten or less but mine is 36 and it still works.
It depends on the use, the care or also the financial means to buy a new one. Many chairs are thrown away well before five years without having caused a single problem.

[martin007]

The economic realities of the UK and Spain are very different...

[Burgerman]

After 5 years mine all look like they were at war. Then left in the trenches for a few years. At this point I do a complete rebuild. By which I mean everything.

Tyres and sometimes rims. All bearings, bolts, upholstery, any damaged plastics, now motors, new wiring lom, new arms or at least arm tops. New batteries, possibly updated more modern control system, and at least joystick pod replaced. Every single metal part and plastic part blasted, repainted or repowder coated, and then reasembled quite literally better than a new chair along with any modifications I deemed nessassary. For e.g different types of rims. Or new caster forks as mine all end up bent... Etc Once rebuilt with no expense or effort spared they really are better than brand new. I rebuilt the salsa recently. The rep thought it WAS new. Its 7 years old. Rebuilt a year back. You cannot distingiush it from an unused chair again. Other than the 1370 hours abuse that the 120A controller reads.

Or they are abandoned and kept for parts or given away for the same. My used chairs dont just look dirty, they are all bent, loose, and destroyed! But theres nothing that cannot be restored to new or better than new. But the delphi controller would have gone into the bin 20 years ago.

[martin007]

After 5 years mine all look like they were at war. Then left in the trenches for a few years. At this point I do a complete rebuild. By which I mean everything.

Tyres and sometimes rims. All bearings, bolts, upholstery, any damaged plastics, now motors, new wiring lom, new arms or at least arm tops. New batteries, possibly updated more modern control system, and at least joystick pod replaced. Every single metal part and plastic part blasted, repainted or repowder coated, and then reasembled quite literally better than a new chair along with any modifications I deemed nessassary. For e.g different types of rims. Or new caster forks as mine all end up bent... Etc Once rebuilt with no expense or effort spared they really are better than brand new. I rebuilt the salsa recently. The rep thought it WAS new. Its 7 years old. Rebuilt a year back. You cannot distingiush it from an unused chair again. Other than the 1370 hours abuse that the 120A controller reads.

Or they are abandoned and kept for parts or given away for the same. My used chairs dont just look dirty, they are all bent, loose, and destroyed! But theres nothing that cannot be restored to new or better than new. But the delphi controller would have gone into the bin 20 years ago.

What is the cost of labor?

[Burgerman]

My labour is free. Just a little time. Rebuilding or should say reconditioning a chair properly isnt cheap. But its cheaper than a new chair, with the following advantages:

Its rebuilt PROPERLY - no tme constraints, no rush, with much attention paid to the quality of the build instead of the profit some robot makes on a production line... Little things like quality bearings, stainless bolts, loctite, grease on threads and axles, everything properly fitted, better tyres, better adjusments, and the knowledge that everything is routed properly, waterproofed, and cable tied where needed. Cush drive coupligs strengthened, tubeless tyres, proper positioning of parts were I need them for performance and comfort. Little things like tyre balance, coppergrease, quality battery, bigger loom fuses, everythn fine tuned and put together with care. The other big advantage of course is that any tiny noise or fault that may develop is easy to fix. Because you built it! You know how everything works, and how to get it apart and what is the likely problem - often long before it die on you. And it means you end up with several chairs, and a stack of spares for everything neded in the long run too. For e,g I have complete control systems, motors, boxes of bolts, bearings and a stack of tyres... So no relying on other people that dont give a crap! Its called independence! Or freedo from the "system"...

This stuff is easy if you have a few chairs. And if you dont then you should! You can redo a caster wheel one week for e.g. Get it shot blasted, repainted, fit new stainless bearings with loctite, grease the axle, order new (polished!) stainless bolts that hold it together and for the axle, assemble with brand new tyre/tube and sealer, and coppergrease the bolts. Put it in a corner all shiny and etter than new. Next week do another one. Then do the arms. New tops, new bolts, new paint etc. When those are bettr than new, do the next part... In the end you reassemble everything. Its not complicated, no manual or anything required. Any part that isnt better than new gets replaced BY new. Esp motors, and any wear parts. Result is a better chair than you can buy.

[martin007]

My labour is free. Just a little time.

Few people have the knowledge to do so.
Few people have the necessary tools.
Some users do not have the physical capacity to do so.

[Burgerman]

Few people have the knowledge to do so.
Few people have the necessary tools.
Some users do not have the physical capacity to do so.

Knowledge? Its like meccano! Anyway this is the easiest way to learn.
Tools? Tools are cheap. Much cheaper than new chairs. And tools pay for themselves over and over. I never worry about the price of tols. Anyway you only need 1 set of metric spanners and screwdrivers and a set of allen keys! Theres nothing complicated on a powerchair.
Physical capacity. Thats a difficult one. When things are beyond me I get carers, ex GF, anyone close by roped in to assist! But you need to be able to direct operations!

[martin007]

I'm talking about physical and mental capacity.
It may seem strange, but many people are not capable.
Some people don't know how to make an "o" with a glass.


As for the tools, it is true that they are cheap in the long run.
Instead of an expense, it is a good investment.
However, most people prefer to spend hundreds of euros on an idiot phone...
Society is like that.

[Burgerman]

Not me. Supercheap flip phone with a 28 day battery life. And about £8k on tools and stuff! Over many years. Can fix anything. Tomorrow got to fix my Amrican style fridge. Everything went warm... Dont know whats wrong yet but nothing is unfixable! Unless MAYBE a leak in a place I cant get to. Its got a linear compressor. Power on and it buzzes for 3 seconds then something goes click. So its probably seized... Needs a big . If that fails I have an old rotary style fridge compressor that I will fit instead. If theres a leak then it will fail again.

Dont buy LG, HYSENSE, SAMSUNG fridges. Yes they are common, but they fail. If I need a new one then I will be mad! They are around 1k for anything worth buying. Esp if plumbed in for ice/water etc. And high efficiency. False economy to buy cheaper.

If you are the sort of person that refuses to learn how stuff works, refuses to fix things yourself, then you are one of the general mass of the populaton that get ripped off and get to pay, wait, and rely on the "experts". So will always be poorer, and less independent. I really dont think theres anything I cant fix or build or improve. It makes your life far easier. You don have to always be relying on everyone else ££££ and then theres the sheer time and problems finding someone capable of doing anything properly.

[martin007]

I'm similar to you.
People look at me like a weirdo.
I'd rather be alone than in the company of people who don't understand me.


P.S. I have a Whirlpool freezer.

[Burgerman]

Those have a better than average reputation. But all new freezers are not built to last like in the past. Today thhey engineer them to survive warranty period mostly, and thats it. It allows them to minimise cost and maximise profit. And whatever brand you buy is built up from very similar sub assemblies from across the planet. So a made in USA fridge for e.g is ASSEMBLED in the US from parts across the planet. Read china, south america etc. So not much to choose. Best bet, choose a simple non complicated one as its usually the icemaker/complex airflow/fan systems etc that fail. And old style rotary compressors seem to live a lot longer. Especially if they are oversized. As they are off for longer and on for short periods. So unfortunately the older less efficient ones last longest... But use the most power. Also, modern ones use newer "planet frindly" refrigerents. These also need a much smaller fill quantity. So eventually these tend to need regassing sooner. Less to lose! So blame the CFC nonsense too. I just filled a fridge (air conditioner in my freinds car) with propane from my plumbers gas bottle. Seems to work as well as before! How much to add? Release all the old. Add propane/butane untill it begins to work. Add a bit extra. Stop! Not exactly scientific!

[martin007]

Is butane gas used to fill the refrigeration circuits of refrigerators and air conditioners?