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How to order W/Chair Parts, Motors, Wheels, Upholstery, etc

Postby Burgerman » 06 Jan 2010, 14:59

There are hundreds of dealers.
You need to find a good one. Google and your phone work great!

Most do more with electric beds, tap turner oners, walking frames, etc and powerchairs scare them to death.

In the case of many makes, including Sunrise Medical, as I regularly need, Clarkes are OK usually and will ship straight to you. http://www.clarksmobility.com for example. I used many dealers though. Some are good some less so.

You can get prices and part numbers directly from Sunparts Online for Sunrise Medical stuff with the password and user name of "guest" and "guest" here:
http://parts.sunrisemedical.eu/uk/login/login.php
For all sunrise UK stuff... Remember you dont pay VAT!

But if you order a wrong part via a part number via a dealer its your own problem...

There are similar sites for other manufacturers or downloadable pdf files with part numbers in.
Its a pain to find them but they are available!

If you know of any good dealers or parts pdf files or websites post them in this stickied thread!

I built (redesigned) 3 complete Powerchairs this way. Ordering control equipment from http://www.pgdt.com and wheels and tyres and bearings, metal, rose joints, stainless bolts etc from http://www.ebay.co.uk and elsewhere on the web.


You just need to understand exactly what you are looking for! And what else it is used for. Wheels and tyres are used on minibikes, quad bikes, etc. Or scooters. Bearings and rose joints are used on almost everything. These sorts of parts are common and not wheelchair parts.
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Alloy bar, metals

Postby Lord Chatterley » 12 Jan 2010, 20:57

Again, link courtesy of Burgerman-

Metals...

http://www.metals4u.co.uk/?gclid=CL2ezvWc_54CFVVu4wodwA8lIw

...or locally
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Re: How to order W/Chair Parts, Motors, Wheels, Upholstery, etc

Postby CPguy » 22 Jan 2010, 18:09

Thx for the great links!

How do you get OEM programmers for the power chair control systems please?
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Re: How to order W/Chair Parts, Motors, Wheels, Upholstery, etc

Postby Burgerman » 22 Jan 2010, 18:21

Directly from P and G or Dynamic etc. Provided they will actually sell you one. Its like pulling teeth...

eg www.pgdt.com etc...
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Re: How to order W/Chair Parts, Motors, Wheels, Upholstery, etc

Postby CPguy » 22 Jan 2010, 19:46

Burgerman wrote:Provided they will actually sell you one. Its like pulling teeth...
That, and only that is the problem. The moment you can not provide a VAT number they will not sell. I tried all sorts of tricks ("I am a dealer, who is just starting,.."; "I am an inventor", etc.

The problem is that this stuff is not on e-bay and regular autions do not offer it either. (The idea here was that when a rehab dealer goes bust, the liquidator appointed by the commercial court sells off ALL the assets in an attempt to pay creditors.) The falency is that rehab dealers NEVER EVER go bust unfortunately.

Perhaps I should found a company that specializes in reselling that stuff to demanding guys like us?!
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Re: How to order W/Chair Parts, Motors, Wheels, Upholstery, etc

Postby Burgerman » 22 Jan 2010, 21:53

Well it would be useful to others!

Actually I could do that. But it may get beyond what I can cope with and like them I would be worried about who exactly gets hold of it...

I buy no problem, because I can show them what I do. And have done for years. But really they should sell to anyone and not discriminate with a disclaimer, just because you are an end user. There is some element of danger though. Try setting motor compensation too high and staying in your chair! :lol:
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Re: How to order W/Chair Parts, Motors, Wheels, Upholstery, etc

Postby Lord Chatterley » 22 Feb 2010, 18:34

So let me get this straight - if you have a VAT number it's no problem?
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Re: How to order W/Chair Parts, Motors, Wheels, Upholstery, etc

Postby Burgerman » 23 Feb 2010, 11:32

I have no vat number. If you talk to them and they can see you know what you are actually talking about they never even question you. But most people dont. So they are scared of selling something to you and getting sued/involved in warranty claims and arguments with suppliers and health authorities etc.

They all sell to me no problem. Because I can show that I develop chairs, understand what does what and why and often order strange things like the "omni plus" to interface things for myself and others... I tell them why and what I need and ask them technical questions that even they dont know the answers to about their own equipment. So they have no fear of me doing anything daft! Even swapping a 70 amp controller to a 100 amp one and reprogramming it, can cause motor failures, magnet demagnetisation, etc. I know these thing and they know that I do. I accept the issues. No claims for new motors. Or squashed kids etc...

Eg they sell you a replacement controller. Since you are not a manufacturer and have no low level programmer you will just fit it. It could have a front drive or rear drive parameter set, wrong (and dangerous) motor compensation setting etc. Non of which you may understand. Its not so simple for them to decide...
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Re: How to order W/Chair Parts, Motors, Wheels, Upholstery, etc

Postby Foz » 02 Mar 2010, 18:33

Where do you get the bolts you used on the armrests?
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Re: How to order W/Chair Parts, Motors, Wheels, Upholstery, etc

Postby Burgerman » 02 Mar 2010, 21:01

There are lots of bolts there!

Any clues?

For most I use http://www.stagonset.co.uk/
But they are not cheap. But I also buy stainless bolts in common sizes in bulk on both ebay and locally at a merchant on an industrial estate.

Not all are available or metric though. Which were the ones you were looking for?
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Re: How to order W/Chair Parts, Motors, Wheels, Upholstery, etc

Postby Foz » 03 Mar 2010, 14:37

the 4 cap allens that you get the reflection in of u!
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Re: How to order W/Chair Parts, Motors, Wheels, Upholstery, etc

Postby Burgerman » 03 Mar 2010, 14:50

As above. Domed Stainless steel allen bolts.
Then polish like this:

http://www.wheelchairdriver.com/images- ... d-1200.jpg :D

I do every bolt. Takes about 25 seconds a bolt! Boring but essential
These are used almost everywhere on all my chairs.
Because no amount of salt or muck can corrode them or even dull the shine.
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Re: How to order W/Chair Parts, Motors, Wheels, Upholstery, etc

Postby clive77 » 03 Mar 2010, 18:42

I think I have found a quickie f55 at a good price but it neededs new batteries, What ones would you weckamend, also I would like to change the rear wheels as they look abit toy town to me. were could I find some.
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Re: How to order W/Chair Parts, Motors, Wheels, Upholstery, etc

Postby Burgerman » 03 Mar 2010, 19:08

Either MK Gel Group 24 73ah if you want to keep stock programming and 80 amp controller. Or if it is reprogrammed (see my pages...0 and especially if it has the controller replaced with a 100 amp version and 4 pole motors then group 34 1500DT Odyssey work best.

Odyssey - More power, same range and less cycle life. 400 rather than 500 from the MK Gels.

Mk Gel batteries give longer life but dont like big amp loads... So if you plan on that then get the Odyssey ones. Both almost the same price.

No others are really any good for a bunch of reasons.

All used powerchairs need new batteries as above since they will either have crappy cheap ones fitted, or they will have neen stored incorrectly and be knackered! People dont know and cannot be bothered... And a 6 month old battery thats been heavily used is in its inferior 2nd half of its life... And unused and incorrectly maintained will be worse! Unless very lucky,
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Re: How to order W/Chair Parts, Motors, Wheels, Upholstery, etc

Postby Burgerman » 03 Mar 2010, 19:12

Wheels?

On everything that moves! Ebay...

see these 3 pages http://www.wheelchairdriver.com/ultimat ... rchair.htm

but first read these 6 http://www.wheelchairdriver.com/powerchair.htm

All will be revealed!

Did you realise that some of my pages are actually 90 pages long? Seriously! But every bit of info is there somewhere! If I could just organise it properly... :roll:
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Re: How to order W/Chair Parts, Motors, Wheels, Upholstery, etc

Postby JoeC » 03 Mar 2010, 19:16

Also, watch out that they haven't installed flooded batteries!

Too many times now I have seen people who claim "new batteries!" in an advertisement, only to see that they have been using flooded car batteries and spilling acid all over everything. I guess if people don't know the difference, then it must be attractive to spend 1/3 the price on highly inferior batteries. Huge pet peeve of mine! This past week I upgraded a chair for a guy on our team that he'd bought used, and the first thing I had to do was clean up all the acid spills and corrosion. I could smack somebody!
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Re: How to order W/Chair Parts, Motors, Wheels, Upholstery, etc

Postby CPguy » 17 Mar 2010, 13:40

For somebody who wants a pre-asembled hub wheel motor (wheel diameter 30 cm) with a "pilot+" joystick and and hand programmer look here http://www.heinzmann.de/en/electric-dri ... tors-rn-ec ("Herkules Drive System") and here http://www.heinzmann.de/en/electric-dri ... ries-rn-ec . Its better than nothing and can make your granny happy.
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Large rear wheels/tyres

Postby Lord Chatterley » 18 May 2010, 18:30

Putting Burgerman's excellent links here so all the parts can be found on one thread.

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m570.l1313&_nkw=145%2F70+-+6&_sacat=See-All-Categories

More... inc wheels

And

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/i.html?LH_AvailTo=3&_nkw=145/70+-+6&_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1%257C72%253A2471&_ipg=200&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

A great variety of wheels/tyres

http://www.atvni.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=65_106

"145 is the width in mm (nominal!!!) actually about 6 inches.
70 is the profile. That means its 70 percent as high (sidewall) as the width
6 is rim diameter in inches.

Always expressed as 145/70 - 6

Rim is 4.5 inches wide between inside faces and 6 inches diameter where the tyre goes...

So total diameter would be rim diameter + 2x sidewall.

So 70 percent of 145 x 2 plus whatever diameter the 6 inch wheel is in mm..."
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