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Re: Storm 4 Xplore retrofit

Postby hank » 10 Feb 2017, 23:12

Just a thought to try to get a idea
how the chair would sit plus clearance
for centre foot plate.
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Re: Storm 4 Xplore retrofit

Postby Burgerman » 11 Feb 2017, 00:22

My rule and brain tell me this!

A 3.00 x 6 tyre is 2 inch diameter bigger than a 3.00 x 3 tyre. So the chair will sit 1 inch lower. And the gap for the footplate gets 2 inches wider/further back. So I raise front suspension by 25mm to compensate. http://img.ebaypic100.com/w7/x9/p100/cq180_1.jpg Or 40mm for ground clearance. With a small lift at the rear. The seat is still very low. And then it fits the tie down in my van.

Narrowing the footplate, by closing the gap between them, or fitting a smaller plate, will allow another 2 inches. So that means about 4 inches total moved back, along with seat. That means its no longer nose heavy and steers properly... Once programmed. And that stupid swing away replaced. And the arm fixed... And 20 other small things! And these small things add up! Then we have a good chair.
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Re: Storm 4 Xplore retrofit

Postby shirley_hkg » 18 Feb 2017, 14:33

:o Not all Xplore has front suspension . :roll:
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Re: Storm 4 Xplore retrofit

Postby Burgerman » 18 Feb 2017, 15:05

Thats a storm 3. Its not the Storm 4 explore.
But front suspension? Yes both have I think. Spring is in a different place maybe on storm 4.
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Re: Storm 4 Xplore retrofit

Postby rover220 » 18 Feb 2017, 15:08

Burgerman wrote:Thats a storm 3. Its not the Storm 4 explore.
But front suspension? Yes both have I think. Spring is in a different place maybe on storm 4.


No that's an original storm 4.
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Re: Storm 4 Xplore retrofit

Postby Burgerman » 18 Feb 2017, 15:50

Sorry thats what I meant...

I just bought a very cheap Storm3 TT! (brushless) 500 pounds used 5 times and stored in a back room. Now have 3 sets of brushless motors/controllers and 2 chairs! :lol: :roll:
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Re: Storm 4 Xplore retrofit

Postby hank » 18 Feb 2017, 15:54

ChairsRus :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Storm 4 Xplore retrofit

Postby rover220 » 18 Feb 2017, 15:58

Burgerman wrote:Sorry thats what I meant...

I just bought a very cheap Storm3 TT! (brushless) 500 pounds used 5 times and stored in a back room. Now have 3 sets of brushless motors/controllers and 2 chairs! :lol: :roll:


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Re: Storm 4 Xplore retrofit

Postby Burgerman » 18 Feb 2017, 16:10

3rd one not guaranteed yet. Waiting for email!
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Re: Storm 4 Xplore retrofit

Postby Burgerman » 18 Feb 2017, 17:10

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 2394861324

Terrible pictures stuck in a shed. Its brushless. Genuinely used about 5 times some years back, been left to fester since. So with a good clean, some care, should be good as a backup/spares since its all DX and uses the modern DX-GB-AS controller/motors. Has no lift but tilt, recline etc. Will be stored in my garage. He swears the batteries are healthy! They will be knackered... Main reason I bought it? Its about 5 miles away.
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Re: Storm 4 Xplore retrofit

Postby Burgerman » 18 Feb 2017, 19:55

I am amazed to discover that the storm3 newer model, using mk2 TT brushless motors, tubular frame etc and all DX bus electronics and controller (DX-GB-AS) was not available in the US! OLD storm http://www.invacare.eu.com/storm3-92sto3en

Same with storm4, http://www.invacare.co.uk/storm-4-60sto4en

or later storm 4 x-plore with TT plus motors, http://www.invacare.co.uk/storm-4-x-plo ... sto4xttpen

or Storm4 MAXX bariatric, or storm4 LOW MAX with different expensive seating... http://www.invacare.eu.com/storm4-ultra ... 3sto4ulmen

This is odd. Some of these chairs are going back 15 years! And available everywhere but US.
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Re: Storm 4 Xplore retrofit

Postby Seajays » 18 Feb 2017, 22:16

Bm. I was told this from a guy in USA that fixes all controllers and joysticks.

" If you have a Invacare GB powerchair you will have to use a GB controller not your old control system. You can not get a DX GB controller in North America because of Invacare does not allow Dynamic Controls to supply their DX GB control system only in Europe and Asia. "
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Re: Storm 4 Xplore retrofit

Postby Burgerman » 18 Feb 2017, 22:41

Yes I remember that now. So you guys all get the old non DX versions, And after that nothing? Thats got to be 12 years ago? Not compatible with modern systems, wizard software, modern joysticks, or modern lighting and actuators. Why? Or why is it that we do get DX bus versions all over the EU or Aust, South Africa, Russia, Asia etc?

For what its worth in the US the old mk 4, 5, 6i are going for stupid prices like 750 dollars! You don't want those. They are ancient and over priced.
In the EU they are less commonly found loose, But crop up now and again. Although the DX-GB I bought was £60... and a complete brushless Storm3 chair with full low hour DX brushless system with lighting/actuator module, actuators, bus cables, power module, REM24 SD Joystick (quite good!) and late low hour motors for £500. I collect one on Monday.

I have seen dozens go for that price, including one on this forum! Maybe he has another! You will get at least that back on ebay for its other parts in the US. But have shipping issues? What does that cost? Maybe better to allow a certain member here to sell/send you brushless controller. The rest is cheap in the US.

World record for old non DX bus power module http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/INVACARE-MK6- ... Swux5YWuU3 Americans are crazy!
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Re: Storm 4 Xplore retrofit

Postby Burgerman » 18 Feb 2017, 22:56

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Invacare-Stor ... Swr7ZW6yvU

Offer this dealer 500, and keep his new batteries and he will likely sell you it. You get late motors, bus cables, actuators, DX clamb, DX-GB-AS power module and a REM24 SD joystick... Scrap or eBay the rest. Get most of your money back.
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Re: Storm 4 Xplore retrofit

Postby rover220 » 18 Feb 2017, 23:06

Burgerman wrote:http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Invacare-Storm-3-New-Batteries-used-Condition-Powerchair-10kmph-NO-VAT-/122318667828?hash=item1c7ac2c034:g:WX4AAOSwr7ZW6yvU

Offer this dealer 500, and keep his new batteries and he will likely sell you it. You get late motors, bus cables, actuators, DX clamb, DX-GB-AS power module and a REM24 SD joystick... Scrap or eBay the rest. Get most of your money back.


I've got another storm3 tt if anyone else fancies a dabble in gear and brushless technology.
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Re: Storm 4 Xplore retrofit

Postby Burgerman » 18 Feb 2017, 23:07

Thats what I meant! Any details? Would you strip and ship? Or worth more together? Post a pic! Seajays may bite!

I suspect that with the wizard, and the seat moved back 4 inches, central plate they too would be pretty good as a daily chair. And why I just acquired one for backup stored in my garage. Certainly will give good range.
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Re: Storm 4 Xplore retrofit

Postby rover220 » 18 Feb 2017, 23:27

Can strip and ship no problem. Also have 2 sets of gb motors and modules loose.
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Re: Storm 4 Xplore retrofit

Postby SteveO » 19 Feb 2017, 02:11

rover220 wrote:Can strip and ship no problem. Also have 2 sets of gb motors and modules loose.

Hi Rover, what would you take for a set of the gb motors and a module? Also would you have a controller for them and lighting module? I'm near to finishing my refurb of an F55 and I'm thinking maybe going brushless on that!
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Re: Storm 4 Xplore retrofit

Postby hank » 19 Feb 2017, 22:33

Burgerman wrote:http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Invacare-Storm-3-New-Batteries-used-Condition-Powerchair-10kmph-NO-VAT-/122318667828?hash=item1c7ac2c034:g:WX4AAOSwr7ZW6yvU

Offer this dealer 500, and keep his new batteries and he will likely sell you it. You get late motors, bus cables, actuators, DX clamb, DX-GB-AS power module and a REM24 SD joystick... Scrap or eBay the rest. Get most of your money back.



John which model Storm 3 do we need 10kmph or 12kmph
or is it down to joystick and programming.??
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Re: Storm 4 Xplore retrofit

Postby Burgerman » 19 Feb 2017, 23:00

If its TT (TrueTrac) and that means brushless, and relatively modern, it is either 4 or 6 or 8 mph, but its all in the programming. Electrically/mechanically they are all the same.
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Re: Storm 4 Xplore retrofit

Postby hank » 19 Feb 2017, 23:03

Cheers.
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Re: Storm 4 Xplore retrofit

Postby Burgerman » 20 Feb 2017, 23:41

Apart from comedy value in the pub, why on earth would anyone want to do that? Painting ceiling maybe? Tilt goes back more by a few degrees. As does recline (stuff in way). But not much more. It soon will as I want a seat dump when "level" so some spacers will be added.

Riser, 14 seconds. Pretty fast compared to the last ones I tried. But too slow...
Legs, fast a few secs.
Recline, slow...
Tilt, slow...

Programming, absolutely dire! Fortunately, the new software and a home made cable works great! So will be taking a good look at it soon.
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Re: Storm 4 Xplore retrofit

Postby shirley_hkg » 21 Feb 2017, 00:37

It's damn pretty . I like its kind of high end look .
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Re: Storm 4 Xplore retrofit

Postby expresso » 21 Feb 2017, 00:54

it is a nice chair - different from what we have here in the US -
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Re: Storm 4 Xplore retrofit

Postby ex-Gooserider » 21 Feb 2017, 01:39

Definitely very different from the 'H-frame' chairs we have in the US and probably much better in terms of suspension and such...

While I admire the simplicity and robustness of the H-frame design, I will certainly agree that it is antiquated and has a lot of limitations.

But it does make the notion of 'medical tourism' to get better chairs look more and more appealing....

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Re: Storm 4 Xplore retrofit

Postby Burgerman » 21 Feb 2017, 03:09

I think they are getting wise to people turning up and using the the NHS. Talk in parliament of aggressively billing and chasing up the money. Unless you mean to buy cheaper!

For what its worth it feels highly dangerous in that position. You cant see the chair and you are really high and feel "top heavy" and probably wont be driving far! As for programming its now way, way better! Still got the brushless weirdness around 0 mph plus 1 inch of movement but it ends fast. But now goEs where its told. Had to play around with a bunch of stuff OEM wont allow! FAR from right yet though.
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Re: Storm 4 Xplore retrofit

Postby shirley_hkg » 21 Feb 2017, 13:15

Burgerman wrote:! Still got the brushless weirdness around 0 mph plus 1 inch of movement but it ends fast.



What do you mean ?
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Re: Storm 4 Xplore retrofit

Postby Burgerman » 21 Feb 2017, 16:39

Well I tried a few of these brushless things over the years. All of them exhibit a very strange behavior around neutral. If you are stationary, and set to a low speed, and only want to move a few millimeters left, it first of all has a tiny wait, and may move very slightly right for say 1/15th of a second before going left. Its hard to notice. Its like the motor doesn't know which way to start initially at times. And if moving, even really slow, and release stick it doesn't stop instantly. Likewise, if stopped, and with acceleration set to the max possible, you can move the stick quickly and release and nothing happens. Its electronics take a finite time to think. You can beat it. Its nothing that most would notice. Unless you were used to chairs that respond pretty much directly. I have noticed it on every brushless chair. You don't need to sit in it to see it, you can just drive an empty one an inch or two. And it may be possible to fine tune the motor settings to stop it since theres a lot of complex averaging, smoothing, and settings related to stopping it rolling at the very end faster. I tried changing one or two, and it starts with a jerk, stops same way. But still 1/15 of a sec behind the stick.
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Re: Storm 4 Xplore retrofit

Postby Burgerman » 26 Feb 2017, 14:11

Seat moved back 70mm and tilt mechanism "adjusted" so it doesn't go minus a few degrees. And lowest starts at 4 degrees positive. Now gives about 6 degrees more tilt too.
And push handles were not hacksaw proof so are gone... And to test its still stable, we used a 16 stone carer called martin with tilt/recline/lift so he was laid down with feet higher than head and gave it the shove hard test... He is still alive.
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Re: Storm 4 Xplore retrofit

Postby rover220 » 26 Feb 2017, 15:50

Burgerman wrote:Seat moved back 70mm and tilt mechanism "adjusted" so it doesn't go minus a few degrees. And lowest starts at 4 degrees positive. Now gives about 6 degrees more tilt too.
And push handles were not hacksaw proof so are gone... And to test its still stable, we used a 16 stone carer called martin with tilt/recline/lift so he was laid down with feet higher than head and gave it the shove hard test... He is still alive.



Looking good. Just needs some black tyres to finish it off.
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