Storm 4 Xplore retrofit

[Irving]

I've been offered a good used Xplore that's only a year old with the brushless 600W TTPlus motors but no powered seat options. Assuming its possible to buy the seat items as spares does anyone know if they can be retrofitted - i.e. is the power base common? The control system is DX2 with a type B handset so can handle 4 seat functions when paired with additional controller modules.

[Burgerman]

Dont see why not. DX2 can do brushless?

[rover220]

Easily done. I can talk you through it should you need.

[rover220]

Won't be a dx2 power module.

[Burgerman]

And so programmer might be an issue?

I am very tempted to buy a new one of these to experiment with. I like brushless, (quiet, efficient, no backlash, and gain some range all at the same time).
But 2 things stop me:

1. lack of a sensible (priced) source... (I can get sunrise stuff with 30% + VAT meaning 50% off)
2. what programmer and how to obtain one since its all invacare I have no sources. Without this its useless to me.

So if anyone can help or do me a cheap /new deal?

Because with the seat relocated, and a sensibly sized lithium pack and reprogrammed it would make a good long range outdoor chair, if a little big and unwieldy indoors.
You should be able to increase that (49km claimed) real world 22 to 23 miles brushless range, by 3x. So about 66 miles.

[rover220]

And so programmer might be an issue?

I am very tempted to buy a new one of these to experiment with. I like brushless, (quiet, efficient, no backlash, and gain some range all at the same time).
But 2 things stop me:

1. lack of a sensible (priced) source... (I can get sunrise stuff with 30% + VAT meaning 50% off)
2. what programmer and how to obtain one since its all invacare I have no sources. Without this its useless to me.

So if anyone can help or do me a cheap /new deal?

Because with the seat relocated, and a sensibly sized lithium pack and reprogrammed it would make a good long range outdoor chair, if a little big and unwieldy indoors.
You should be able to increase that (49km claimed) real world 22 to 23 miles brushless range, by 3x. So about 66 miles.

Pm sent

[rover220]

And so programmer might be an issue?

Dynamic wizard is used on the gb modules.

[Burgerman]

So easy then.

Now, how do I get a new chair at a sensible price!

[Burgerman]

Email Reply no 1
Its easy to get a deal on a powerchair...
30% off. No VAT.
Less 2x MK, less Invacares lead charger. So then about 4K.

Hi John,

You can have the same deal from us on the Storm 4 that you get on xxxxxxxxx products namely 30% off. + Vat exemption. Only applies to you if the equipment is for your personal use and not for resale. You take responsibility for ordering the chair from the prescription form that is available on our website or Invacares website. Any alterations you make to the chair could affect the warranty implications of the chair and although you would need to contact us for warranty parts you would be responsible for warranty repairs. The final price does not include delivery (location dependent) or set up.
If you complete a prescription form with all the options that you want on the chair we will gladly quote you the final price. Please include delivery address.
Here is a link to the Storm 4 xplore prescription form. You need to decide on standard or recaro seating.

Please feel free to contact me if you have any further questions.

[Irving]

Easily done. I can talk you through it should you need.

Any idea how much are the necessary bits I'll need?

[rover220]

Easily done. I can talk you through it should you need.

Any idea how much are the necessary bits I'll need?

What options are you wanting to add?

[Irving]

Easily done. I can talk you through it should you need.

Any idea how much are the necessary bits I'll need?

What options are you wanting to add?

Tilt-in-space, backrest recline, possibly seat lift (mainly because it gives a lower seating position than a fixed seat)

[Burgerman]

So how hard to get hold of a DX2 dongle that allows the programming of the brushless x-plore chair?

This is critical! Where from?

Because I have several rather good quotes at about 30 and 35 percent off, no vat either. I am going to buy and modify and lithiumise a x-plore chair! I suspect a real world 70 miles will be possible.

I think its the best chair currently on the market, once the seating is moved rearwards a bit, and a few other mods made. And the price is right.

[hank]

Got every faith in this new project.
IF anyone can Burgermans the man.

[Burgerman]

Well I wont order one till I find out if I can get a dynamic OEM thingy that works with brushless!

[Irving]

Well I wont order one till I find out if I can get a dynamic OEM thingy that works with brushless!

Feedback I have is:
"Hi. Your programmer should work but you would need the correct attachment for this handset, which is coloured orange"

Other question: Its fitted with a remote type B on a fixed arm. Can I swap this with my G90 on a swing-away? Do the remotes store the config or can i move the G90 between chairs at will?

[LROBBINS]

Yes, the remotes store the configuration BUT Dynamic has a fairly complex system of backup copies and automatic and non-automatic updates. I never had to use them, and they have evolved over time so different modules have different backup capabilities, but you should read the manuals about this. Of course, you should also use the Wizard to make a backup copy of current settings on a PC.

[rover220]

i could get an oem dongle if required.

whether you need orange dwiz adapt depends on joystick selection but i have a spare one regardless

[Irving]

i could get an oem dongle if required.

whether you need orange dwiz adapt depends on joystick selection but i have a spare one regardless

That refers to the Remote type A and B - the chair I'm considering has a type B fitted on a fixed bracket. I'd prefer my G90 on its swingaway but transferring that between chairs looks like its not going to fly without reprogramming/reloading.

Is that a parallel port dongle or a USB one? Finding a laptop with a PP is hard these days.

[rover220]

i could get an oem dongle if required.

whether you need orange dwiz adapt depends on joystick selection but i have a spare one regardless

That refers to the Remote type A and B - the chair I'm considering has a type B fitted on a fixed bracket. I'd prefer my G90 on its swingaway but transferring that between chairs looks like its not going to fly without reprogramming/reloading.

Is that a parallel port dongle or a USB one? Finding a laptop with a PP is hard these days.

No reason you can't fit the g90 that I can think of. Orange dwiz adapt is required on rem a and b as well as the rem550

[Burgerman]

i could get an oem dongle if required.

whether you need orange dwiz adapt depends on joystick selection but i have a spare one regardless

What strange new language is this?

[Burgerman]

Which back do I want?
There seems to be loads... I want to sit as far rearwards as possible. Don't need fancy backs as they all seem to mean you end up further forwards. Anyone know? Never had anything to do with invacare stuff.

[rover220]

My personal choice would be sling back if it's still available.

Looking at prescription form then you only have modulite to pick from.

[Burgerman]

Is it 'deep'? The problem is need top see all this stuff before ordering blind!

Probably wont be staying anyway... Sling back is fine. But not on the prescription sheet. So modulate is closest? Will use my jay2 cushion or my home made one.

What is all this modulate/flexisomething business...

The other reason I want this big bulky chair is for the lift to wash my van occasionally. Its likely going to be used once a week.

[Burgerman]

ATF2171 Tension Adjustable Backrest (540mm or 480mm upholstery height) Straps easily accessible and adjustable from the rear (maximum seat depth achievable 530mm (21") )
Not Available with Laterals, black fabric upholstery only


AFT2179 Flex3 Tension Adjustable (long = 540mm / short = 480mm), available in Black Dartex only Not available with Flip up or Following armrests, Chin Remote, Laterals available though specials
£113
ATF2172 Flex3 adjustable Backrest Plates (without Backrest Cushion) Not Available with Short Backposts £183
ATF2173 Flex3 adjustable Backrest Plates with Laguna Backrest cushion (maximum seat depth achievable 510mm (20") ) Not Available with Short Backposts £297
ATF2174 Matrx Posture Back, height 400mm (Mesh fabric) Not available with Laterals or 530mm (21") seat width, non Invacare Headrest but profile mount ATF1496 £406

ATF2175
Matrx Posture Back, height 500mm (Mesh fabric) Not available with Laterals or 530mm (21") seat width, non Invacare Headrest but profile mount ATF1496
£406

ATF2176
Matrx Elite Fill Back, height 500mm (Mesh fabric) Not available with Laterals or 530mm (21") seat width, non Invacare Headrest but profile mount ATF1496, seat width of 380mm (15") ATF2121 in combination with flip up or following armrests
£406

ATF2177
Matrx Elite TR Back, height 500mm (Mesh fabric) non Invacare Headrest but profile mount ATF1496, seat width of 380mm (15") ATF2121 in combination with flip up or following armrests
£406

ATF2178
Matrx Elite Deep Back, height 500mm (Mesh fabric)
Not available with Laterals or non Invacare Headrest but profile mount ATF1496
£406
ATF2170 Without Backrest Upholstery (Straight 1" diameter back posts only, suitable for mounting specialist backrests) Not available with laterals or non Invacare Headrest but profile mount ATF1496 £450

[Burgerman]

Above, trying to fill form, no clue!!!

[rover220]

Above, trying to fill form, no clue!!!

Tension adjustable upholstery is the sling back. matrix backs are equivalent to the Jay backs so not what you're after.

[Burgerman]

Thanks! Now theres a bunch of other unexplained options!

ATF2100 x Invacare Modulite 'Flex3' Adjustable Seating System
SEAT FRAME AND SEAT PLATE
ATF2111 Telescopic Seat Frame with metal seat plate (with stepless adjustment on armrests, legrests and backrest)

I lift my weight on these arms, so which is the strongest and what is the right length (short I presume) and whats a following arm?

Single post 'T-Armrest' removable and height adjustable (with stepless positioning relative to the backposts) Range of adjustment from seat plate
245mm to 315mm
Extended height Single post 'T-Armrest': Range of adjustment from seat plate 295mm to 365mm (extended leadtime)
In-rigged Armrests (reduces seat width by 25 mm each side) Not Available with hip supports
Flip-up Armrest (height and depth adjustable) (height adjustable from 230 - Not Available with laterals or in combination with 530mm
360mm) seat plate and Flex3 adjustable backrest plates.

Following Armrest (height adjustable from 230 - 300 mm) Not Available with laterals or in combination with 530mm seat plate and Flex3 adjustable backrest plates.

Following Armrest (height adjustable from 300 - 360 mm) Not Available with laterals or in combination with 530mm seat plate and Flex3 adjustable backrest plates.

[Burgerman]

ATF2195 Short Armpad (325 mm)
ATF2196 x Long Armpad (375 mm) Not Available with Seat depth 410mm (16")
ATF2197 Long Ergonomic Armpad (397 mm) Not Available with Seat depth 410mm (16")
ATF2199 Soft Armpad (REA Azalea Wide Pad)

??? Soft sounds good! Long? I am using a 20 inch deep cushion...

[Burgerman]

ATF1350 x Neckrest: height and depth adjustable (Azalea type)
ATF1432 Headrest: height, depth and sideways adjustable (Azalea type)
ATF1427 Headrest with cheek support: height and depth adjustable (Azalea type)
ATF1496 All bracketry as option 1432 without headrest cushion
ATF1495 Push bar dia. 22mm in conjunction with telescopic seat frame/backposts, No
Headrest - no mounting hardware.

Headrest MUST be selected?