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Re: An Old member with a new username and question

Postby expresso » 01 Apr 2017, 18:12

yes my model has it - they mostly all have it now -

i have 646se quickie model - but the group 3 chair is 636 model same chair just 6.5 mph speed - my seat lift is from Motion Concepts and works fine - its a pretty much clean look - its seat lift tilt all in one unit -

so the chair would be ordered from sunrise - just the Base - then it would go to motion for the seating part - - only thing i will say to stress them is to make sure your anti tippers will stay off the ground at least once inch -

mines arrive with them on the ground and motion concepts made a little part to fit in the anti tippers which keeps them up a bit - was good enough - but i changed the wheels to smaller ones now so it has alot more clearance -


it can be done - with Motion Seating on top - - with Sunrise seating - its only tilt they offer -
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Re: An Old member with a new username and question

Postby Rob n aUSTIN » 14 Apr 2017, 04:12

Update April 13, Today I had the DME rep come to my home for the required home visit
to demo a Permobile Mid Wheel Chair and a Quickie rear Wheel drive chair. I liked the
Quickie chair better even though the Permobile was easier for me to drive.

I decided most options on the spot but I am going to research the seating cushions over
the weekend before deciding.

I was told I will have no problem qualifing for a Class 3 or a Class 4. The Midwheel
Permobile is HUGE and I really hope MY chair will be smaller. I was told I can
get MK size 34 in either chair. He left the Permobile chair to demo and hoping I will
change my mind over the weekend.
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Re: An Old member with a new username and question

Postby expresso » 14 Apr 2017, 15:25

see if you can get Group 24 batteries - which quickie chair did you demo ? 636 or 222

your lucky if you can get a group 4 chair paid - if thats the case - quickie 646se - RWD - 8.5 mph nice chair

Group 34 batteries are smaller then the Group 24 size - dont get confused with the numbers 24 are the largest you can get in the chair - both quickie models can take 24 and should only get 24 size -
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Re: An Old member with a new username and question

Postby Rob n aUSTIN » 24 Apr 2017, 02:18

expresso wrote:see if you can get Group 24 batteries - which quickie chair did you demo ? 636 or 222

your lucky if you can get a group 4 chair paid - if thats the case - quickie 646se - RWD - 8.5 mph nice chair

Group 34 batteries are smaller then the Group 24 size - dont get confused with the numbers 24 are the largest you can get in the chair - both quickie models can take 24 and should only get 24 size -


Express Thank you so much for your help and advice. Sorry for the late reply but I have had some medical Issues that I have had to deal with and haven't been able to use my home PC where The password was stored after I created the new account.

(Note to self find a way to store your passwords where I always have them with me. )

The quickie I test drove was the P222. What do you think about this chair?

Thank you so much for setting me straight about the Group 24 batteries! I saw you post the next morning and called my rep to tell him I was wrong about the battery and wanted MK's Group 24. Thank you you saved me a huge mistake!

After driving the larger Permobile and reading about the heaver duty Group 4 chairs I told my rep I wanted to stay with the 222 or 636. You may be right about what chair I can or will qualify for as I am now not feeling as good about the rep I have been dealing with and it appears his level of Bullshit is higher then I expected. (He has broken 2 different promises about loaner chairs)

The next step I have is a PT eval this next Thursday. I will update the progress after that appointment and an update requested from the DME rep.
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Re: An Old member with a new username and question

Postby expresso » 24 Apr 2017, 03:22

sure no problem - - group 4 is the 646se - quickie - thats the same chair as the 636 - which is group 3 and slower 6.5 vs 8.5 on the 646se

now if you can get a group 4 chair - - then your options are with Quickie rear wheel are only the P222se - or the S646se - i have both of them
Sunrise i believe only makes one P222se chair now - and its 8.5 - the other one - they have two models 636 and 646 - speed is the difference here - and group 4 is the higher speed

if you can get get a group 4 - thats great - if not the 636 is i think the best option in RWD chairs - but only you can decide this now - because i dont know your needs and condition etc, - i find the 646 chair to be very comfortable to me - the ride itself is much better even with the foam tires i have - its not that hard a ride - i have motion concepts seating - its a seat lift and tilt in one unit -

the pros and con for me between the two chairs -

P222se - is lighter chair - the front end is light - its a bit more tipsy than your other chairs - its a short base chair - BUT that depends on your seat size you choose - if you can use a 17 x 17 seat size - you can get the short frame - - not sure what its called on the order form - if its even there

but if you choose a 18 deep cushion - mines is 17 wide x 17 deep - makes no difference really - 18 deep or 17 feels the same to me -

but if you did get the 18 deep - that will automatically give you the longer frame chair from sunrise - it almost happened to me - i demand a copy of my order from the vendor when its ready to be ordered - before it gets ordered so i can check it - and i found that i was about to get the long frame chair since my cushion was a 17 x 18 - i had to make fast calls to stop everything and just in time

just changed it to 17 x 17 and sunrise confirmed its the short frame with that size - i told them i wasnt going to sign for the chair if it arrives to me wrong frame size - ok so you have to watch that -

not sure how much longer the frame is if you needed a 18 deep cushion - you can ask - -

the P222 is nice - its compact - short - quick - tipsy - you can wheelie easy - or you can tone it down and not wheelie - programming - either way you have the options -

with the ride - its hard compared to 636 or 646 models - became too hard for me and i just changed the tires to Air tubes now and love it again now - much better ride compared to the foam tires on there -

its pretty simple chair - i like that about it - i have only tilt on it - but you cant get to the battery box that easy - you have to take apart the top of the chair off the base - once thats done - you have just the base on the floor and then easy to work on it if needed that way - you have to lift those batteries up and out - cant slide them back out of the chair - thats one downside -

the 646 feels nicer to me - comfortable - feels faster also - even though its the same speed - my 222 feels slower than the 646 - but i have the older model 222 with older style motors - you will get the new motors so they may be the same in speed now -

its a bit more bulky the 646 compared to the 222 - maybe a bit more weight also - at least mines is with the seat lift on it etc, -

tell me if you want to know something more specific about it - i try to answer your questions based on my experience with them

i had two of them so far - so i was ready for the 646 model - and when i do another chair - thats my choice again - if i cant get a boulder chair - - the 646 models are good for upgrading the batteries to lithium also - easier to do -

first figure out if you can get the group 4 chair - or not - if you cant - then the P222 is only a group 4 and you can scratch that off -

then you get the 636 - group 3 - still a decent speed - its not slow - i am just used to 8.5 now and i ride far so more speed for me the better and i am about 160lbs - not too bad - they say the faster motors - you lose bottom end - and its true - but dosnt affect me much really -
it may if you weight more - or use it uphills alot etc, - you may like the slower motors with more bottom end to move you -

things you have to consider - i dont feel that big a deal with the fast motors - at times - uphills etc, - more bottom end power would be nice - but its short lived the hills - i wouldnt trade my speed for the few times i like more power - instead of more speed -

demo both chairs also - if you can -
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Re: An Old member with a new username and question

Postby Burgerman » 24 Apr 2017, 10:12

You do realize that theres no such thing as a boulder chair?
And a PC backup is not a imagine? :D

Bounder and image...
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Re: An Old member with a new username and question

Postby expresso » 24 Apr 2017, 15:31

yeah i am not the best speller - when i type i make the mistakes and then dont change them :)

alot of times i just spell things wrong - knowing its off somewhat but close enough that you will know - or my fingers hit the wrong keys - and i may put a letter in reverse order instead --

combination of things :D
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Re: An Old member with a new username and question

Postby Burgerman » 24 Apr 2017, 16:28

But you had me searching for boulder chair! :lol:

Doesn't look very mobile or comfortable.

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Re: An Old member with a new username and question

Postby expresso » 24 Apr 2017, 17:23

May even feel the same also -- i have no idea when or if this demo will become - its 4 months now and i get no response back - i left message friday for therapist == lets see if she gets back to me - if not my case worker is coming next week

i have her give a call to find out - see if they get back to her - strange because this therapist is nice - dont recall her not getting back to me for this long before
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Re: An Old member with a new username and question

Postby Rob n aUSTIN » 24 Apr 2017, 19:57

Burgerman wrote:But you had me searching for boulder chair! :lol:

Doesn't look very mobile or comfortable.

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Love the flintstone type chair. Since most of the scooters I've owned had NO suspension It has felt like I was riding a chair made of a boulder on wheels.
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Re: An Old member with a new username and question

Postby Rob n aUSTIN » 17 Jul 2017, 11:19

I am posting an update on my progress or lack of progress on the process of getting a new chair starting with the Dr visit to the delivery of a new chair.

Basically I am waiting and will hold off on sharing any details at this moment but as I promised I will share all the details. I should have a definite update soon but to say it has been incredibly frustrating so far.

TO BE CONTINUED........
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Re: An Old member with a new username and question

Postby rustyjames » 17 Jul 2017, 13:04

In the 17 years I've been using a chair, insurance has paid for the first one, which I used for about 13 years. I spare myself the pain and aggravation and just pay out of pocket on used chairs. I do the same for my urogical supplies. When you figure in the copays on the highly inflated supplier prices you come out ahead. And get the satisfaction of not letting them profit off of me.
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Re: An Old member with a new username and question

Postby Burgerman » 17 Jul 2017, 13:15

Will, this new script does odd things around the zero wheel speed to a few percent. I would wait a little while so Lenny can have a think! I expect theres smoke issuing from every orifice right now.

On my bot, which behaves just the same as a chair, its distinctly odd and a little less smooth and predictable at small currents. It works and seem safe but theres a few issues. The older one with the current sensors is perfect and is smoother, more predictable and allows accurate control at crawl speeds. Although you are not using current sensors so not sure what it will do on yours!

This is the old sensor script http://www.wheelchairdriver.com/gopro/bot.mp4
The first 20 seconds of this, isnt possible with the new script. At low speeds it behaves like its got 4 micro-switches instead of a proportional joystick. Sort of drives like a 12 sided coin. Lenny is thinking on it! I suspect we are going to need current sensors on brushed motors.
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Re: An Old member with a new username and question

Postby LROBBINS » 17 Jul 2017, 14:30

John,

I think you posted this in the wrong thread. In any case, with his brushless motors Will has no choice at all about using sensors - he can't, so I'd best get the sensorless script working as best it can. BTW - I just checked the stem bearings on Rachi's chair in case that was contributing to the sometimes yes - sometimes no turn-in-place. Indeed it was, one was completely shot again. Off to look again to try to find angled-race bearings that will fit.
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Re: An Old member with a new username and question

Postby Burgerman » 17 Jul 2017, 15:25

So I have! Too many windows open at once.
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Re: An Old member with a new username and question

Postby Rob n aUSTIN » 08 Aug 2017, 18:52

Aug Update,

After many mistakes, many lies and some just plain stupid mistakes
it looks like I am approved by Medicare for a new Group 3 Weelchair. I just got a copy
of the letter CMS sent to the MEP that said I qualifed to get the chair.

The process so far has been going on almost 18 months. I changed doctors about 6 months
ago and went with A Very experienced MEP in my area and the regional MDA doctor who knew me well,
but it seems this process fits the saying that if it can go wrong it will. The worst event
happened when I called after not hearing any progress for over a month and was told my expert
rep could my find my folder because he misspelled my name. FYI I have the most common name
first and last in the united states that any 6 year old can spell.

I won't give advice to anyone but If I had not made over 50 calls to check on the status of my
WC regularly I am sure it would not have gotten this far. I worked with my GP for close to a year after having seen
5 Physical Therapists and 1 Ocupational Therapists to learn that not a single one of the therapists knew how or had
ever completed the Medicare requirements to complete the WC process. 4 of these
"Therapists" lied to me before their first home visits. There are alot of scammers or just incompetant people
in this field.

So I am 6 months into this latest Wheelchair Process and it now appears I just might have a new
WC before Christmas.

Knock on Wood!
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Re: An Old member with a new username and question

Postby expresso » 08 Aug 2017, 20:37

Rob - thats Great - finally it will get going now that the payment is approved - i dont recall - what chair did you do ?

its important to deal with Clinics who done this before - you would think they should know by now - and the vendors are mostly all the same once they got your money and order - you never hear from them again - some a bit better than others to deal with -

before you do your next chair one day - you have plenty of time to do your homework now - finding the best people to help you - wheelchair clinic etc, and research your vendors - you must have a few you can choose from - you will get a nice xmas gift now
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Re: An Old member with a new username and question

Postby Rob n aUSTIN » 09 Aug 2017, 03:02

The chair I finally decided on is the Quicky 710. This chair had the best ride and was the easiest to maneuver in my tight kitchen. I doubt it is the best choice for an outside chair but I'm hoping I will like it enough to sit in all day. I have my Victory Sport for long Outdoor trips if I need.
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Re: An Old member with a new username and question

Postby expresso » 09 Aug 2017, 03:16

very good - the important thing is that you tried - demoed different chairs and you picked the best one for you - nothing else matters - the chair should be fine outdoors i seen one of two around the city - not many though - they dont seem to do many quickie chairs here - -

does that chair take group 24 batteries ? if they fit - get them
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Re: An Old member with a new username and question

Postby Rollin Positive » 09 Aug 2017, 18:53

Congratulations...another win...One just needs to stay on top of the process and hold people accountable...

We started chatting in Feb 2017 so about 6 months is not to bad you should be getting your chair with in weeks. If you need help email me so your DME stays on top of the order and delivery!
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Re: An Old member with a new username and question

Postby Twinpanther » 10 Aug 2017, 05:36

RollPositive wrote:Congratulations...another win...One just needs to stay on top of the process and hold people accountable...

THIS above everything!!!

From one with MD to another, congratulations on getting through this process successfully. Having just found this thread I feel for you having had it take so long. You know the important stuff now so hopefully when you are ready for your next chair in 5+ years you can find the right folks out of the gate. That is where I'm at now. I received my first chair from TheScooterStore (you know, the company that single-handedly caused so many states to force suppliers to jump through a ton of hoops now) and they made everything so easy and did everything for me. Everything except letting me demo anything but the Q6 Edge.

Stuff I learned:
    Have your Primary Care Physician use Medicare's downloadable questionnaire made for this purpose. Ensure you have your Dr. add everything you can possibly need now or in the near future to obtain what you will need for the next 5 years. You can add later but it's far easier to get it upfront. Things go much smoother. This visit MUST be at least 70% about your chair and your need for it.
    Pick a DME specialist near you that offers multiple choices of companies and has PT and OT that will come to YOU in a timely manner.
    Make sure you have the opportunity to demo any chair you are interested in.
    Insure the PT and OT get the paperwork off to Medicare ASAP. Medicare has 10 days from receiving their paperwork to give you an answer in the mail.
    Once you have that proof, the DME can order your chair. Order and assembly can be a 2 month time period.
    Also, any parts you are unsure about be sure your DR/PT/OT use the key words. Safety, can't use easily, causes pain/sores, edema, etc...

Replacement Parts earliest possible time (extenuating circumstances MAY apply):
    Wheels - 18 Months
    Batteries - 12 Months
    Seat cushions - 18 Months
    Chair/Electronics - Depends on manufacturer. (Permobile is 18 Months warranty).

Oh, and if you have any type of foot drop or similar, get yourself a set of AFO's (for "Transfers") They will allow you to stay on your feet longer with more stability and they are covered (minus 20%). Just do it AFTER you receive your chair.

I wish I had seen this post a long time ago to have helped more. I've been lucky as I'm just starting my second chair now. My Dr. Face-to-face was 8/1, my PT was 8/9 and my OT is 8/11. I'll be demoing chairs next week and my PT has an order form rdy for whichever I choose. I was told to expect my letter to be here in the next 2-3 weeks. Having gone through the process and already being in the system it helps my case a little. Also, for your next chair, you can not go backwards. What you have gotten on this chair you must get as a minimum on your next or it won't be covered. MD is one of those diseases that get you auto accepted with our government. Disability and DME for us can be easy if those we trust with our info know what they are doing.

If there is any questions I can answer I'll be more than happy to help. Good luck with your choice of chair and so happy to read, although it took a while, you are getting what you were after.

Premature congratulations (my wife says I'm good at that)! You will be MUCH happier getting around daily in a chair over a scooter, any day.
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Re: An Old member with a new username and question

Postby Rollin Positive » 10 Aug 2017, 18:38

Permobil, Pride, Quickie should not take 2 months to build most are with in the week and then a week to ship.

If done right and we as users stay on top of the order and the DME should take 90 days from the time you have demoed and picked your chair and add ons till the time you're rolling.

Also having muscular dystrophy is no guarantee one will get a chair.
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Re: An Old member with a new username and question

Postby Burgerman » 10 Aug 2017, 20:15

Took me 2 weeks from deciding what I wanted, to paying deposit, and recieving chair built in germany to my spec/options to my door. The difference? I was paying. I was the customer.

And under 7k for grp 24, brushless, tilt, riser, recline, power centre footrest, lights, 8mph, and charger and 3 year warranty.
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Re: An Old member with a new username and question

Postby Twinpanther » 10 Aug 2017, 23:59

RollPositive wrote:Also having muscular dystrophy is no guarantee one will get a chair.


Sorry, wasn't trying to imply it was. Guess I was trying to say is if you have MD or any other progressive debilitating disease you are much easier to push through our system than others that need them but don't have a "name" for what they have making it a bit of hoop jump to qualify.
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Re: An Old member with a new username and question

Postby Rollin Positive » 12 Aug 2017, 21:06

Twinpanther wrote:
RollPositive wrote:Also having muscular dystrophy is no guarantee one will get a chair.


Sorry, wasn't trying to imply it was. Guess I was trying to say is if you have MD or any other progressive debilitating disease you are much easier to push through our system than others that need them but don't have a "name" for what they have making it a bit of hoop jump to qualify.


I think it really comes down to your DME and if you guide them vs letting them tell you what you need.

The more a customer vs a client checks in and gets involved and self educates the more one is going to have a better customer experience and get a chair they want, need and love!
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