R-net OEM PC Programmer Tool - D50611

[Scooterman]

It might be cheaper for SM to have me go round his place and help him fine tune his chair with my OEM dongle. All I ask for is tea/coffee and choc biscuits! Also depends on when Melissa can be available for a whole day.

Steve

I have my own dongle now thank you very much!!!

Albeit a dealer one

So you and Melissa (whoever she is) can stay right where you are! I’ll eat my own biscuits myself

[steves1977uk]

Melissa is my PA SM! She helps me fix my chairs, as well as drive my van to take me to different places. Should be coming down your way sometime to Alton as this is where I was based during my college years.

Steve

[Scooterman]

Ah, I see!

Yes I know Alton, I used to work all round there in me little white van, very scenic.

I'd like to live there but too expensive for the likes of SM + cat.

Did you go to this place? https://www.hsdc.ac.uk/study-with-us/alton-campus/

[steves1977uk]

No, I used to go here SM... https://www.treloar.org.uk/ Was there from 1995-98. Used to go into Alton town sometimes at the weekends, and to Basingstoke. Used to enjoy that.

Steve

[Scooterman]

Ah! We used to go into Basingstoke on a weekend sometimes. It was straight down the M3 from where I lived. And used to go to the multiplex cinema. Those were days!

Glad I'm old now cos it means I can fall asleep in front of the TV instead

[Burgerman]

TV?
Whats one of those? FREE STUFF:

SKY news https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Auq9mYxFEE
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Free movies and series etc
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https://hdpopcorn.live/

Free sport - theres hundreds.
https://en.cricfree.io/
http://cricfree.live/live/stream-202

[Scooterman]

Ooh thanks for all the links BM, I shall bookmark them

Actually I've not a had a TV for years, bloody things irritate me.

Do you keep on getting the TV licensing Nazis letters? I do, about every 1-2 months. They go straight in the bin unopened.

I think they've given up on visiting. One guy tried to trick me by pretending to be doing a viewing survey on behalf of the BBC. He got a swift No Thank You and the door shut in his face. He never came back after that.

The tories are too scared of the BBC to abolish the license fee. They're a spineless party who talk tough but never do anything. They was supposed to be reforming the House of Lords, yeah as if!

Sorry I'll get off my soap box now. This is so off topic, it's supposed to be an r-net dongle thread

[Burgerman]

I have 20 years worth of BBC hreatening letters. And sevral visits. Its fun to stare at them and never speak till they give up and go.

[Burgerman]

As for boris, and the conservatives he has not done anything he was voted in to do. He needs to go.

We voted LEAVE (not in name but actually leave) the EU in 2016. The biggest vote in history.
So the pro EU establishment then replaced remainer cameron with remainer traitor may. Who wasted 4 years trying to everything possible to keep us in the EU. 3/4 of parliment. And 90% of the cabinet are remainers. Most of the labour party and all of the liberals are remainers. So this drive towards the EU is still happening now. And boris who promised to "get brexit done" has just done mays remainer deal.

He has refused to do all the things we voted for.
ECJ we are still in and controlled by.
Court Human Rights, still in.
"Equivelence" still doing, so we have to comply with EU trade rules.
Northern ireland still ruled by the EU and are in the customs union etc.
We have a border down the irish sea. Still...
We wanted control of the mass of gimmegrants illegally entering. This has now increased by 8 TIMES!!
The conservatives are supposed to stand for free markets, small government and low taxation. And have been printing money, and increasing taxes to the highst level in 40 years.
We voted to leave to take control of our waters and fisheries. Yet boris let the EU take more than ever. And handed them 40 billion for nothing.
And the green nonsense NOBODY WANTED. We have a green party. It got 1% of the votes. And its bankrupting the country. Nobody voted green.


He has to go. But the alternatives are even more hopeless. As for cakes or wine I dont give a crap.

[Scooterman]

In the battery settings. With lifepo4 installed do we increase the LV cutout to say 24v?

[Burgerman]

You could. But test UNDER LOAD with low battery as you might drop the volts to 20V or less for e.g due to cable resistance, cell resistance intermittently when you wheelie for e.g.

[Scooterman]

I have 20 years worth of BBC hreatening letters. And sevral visits. Its fun to stare at them and never speak till they give up and go.

As for boris, and the conservatives he has not done anything he was voted in to do. He needs to go.

We voted LEAVE (not in name but actually leave) the EU in 2016. The biggest vote in history.
So the pro EU establishment then replaced remainer cameron with remainer traitor may. Who wasted 4 years trying to everything possible to keep us in the EU. 3/4 of parliment. And 90% of the cabinet are remainers. Most of the labour party and all of the liberals are remainers. So this drive towards the EU is still happening now. And boris who promised to "get brexit done" has just done mays remainer deal.

He has refused to do all the things we voted for.
ECJ we are still in and controlled by.
Court Human Rights, still in.
"Equivelence" still doing, so we have to comply with EU trade rules.
Northern ireland still ruled by the EU and are in the customs union etc.
We have a border down the irish sea. Still...
We wanted control of the mass of gimmegrants illegally entering. This has now increased by 8 TIMES!!
The conservatives are supposed to stand for free markets, small government and low taxation. And have been printing money, and increasing taxes to the highst level in 40 years.
We voted to leave to take control of our waters and fisheries. Yet boris let the EU take more than ever. And handed them 40 billion for nothing.
And the green nonsense NOBODY WANTED. We have a green party. It got 1% of the votes. And its bankrupting the country. Nobody voted green.


He has to go. But the alternatives are even more hopeless. As for cakes or wine I dont give a crap.

It gets worse and worse.


youtu.be/GhAKMAcmJFg

[Scooterman]

You could. But test UNDER LOAD with low battery as you might drop the volts to 20V or less for e.g due to cable resistance, cell resistance intermittently when you wheelie for e.g.

Thanks. I might cram my PL8 and laptop on my lap, switch to monitor, and graph under high demand usage situations. Then set the LV slightly higher.
I guess LV cutout, cuts power to motors. And you have to turn controller/joystick off and on again.

[slomobile]

You CAN get them from PGDT direct if you also happen to know what you are doing, and they know that. Or if you take some course or other, or if you are building one off powerchairs or modifying stuff that needs this. Or ar in fact a manufacturer.

How? I'm willing to take any course. I actually am building one off power chairs and modifying stuff that needs it. I don't want to mess around wondering if problems are related to a dealer dongle. I've written a detailed email to applications support and what I got back was

Thank you for you enquiry.
Unfortunately, we don’t currently have the resource to support such a project.
Kind regards
Roger M. Brickliffe , B.Eng (Hons) MIET
Applications Engineering Manager – Industrial & Mobility Products

Calling the phone number on their website goes straight to the voicemail of an individual person. Very strange.
So, how?

[Burgerman]

The way you just did. They sold to me, both 22 years ago and more recently. So whatever you put in your letter scared them enough to not sell to you. What project? I just told them what I needed to buy and why. What are you expecting them to do?

The dealer dongle works perfectly though. It can write files made with oem software.

[rover220]

They are on back order anyway at the minute so I wouldn't waste your time.

[Burgerman]

Much like every damned thing I try to order.

[Scooterman]

Brexit!

[slomobile]

The project I wrote applications support about is essentially a flat towable golf cart with wheelchair securement points and R net interface so an operator can plug the cart into their existing chair Rnet and drive the cart with whatever interface they already have customized on the chair.

I asked for an OEM Rnet dongle for capturing existing chair programming and tuning the cart program.
Also asked for an R net development module (a brochure item) to develop the cart/chair interface.

I thought it would be an interesting crossover between Curtiss-Wright medical and industrial arms.

After receiving the brush off email, I called a US parts rep and narrowed the request to just purchasing the dongle for the 4x4 chair project. They asked where I was getting my power modules. Being honest I said these are prototypes so I am getting them wherever I can, from chair breakers. What I should have said was "I'll be ordering them from you. Add a couple to my order." But I was in the mindset that my request for the development module was the problem with my first request. So I was trying to ask for the minimum that would help me continue the project.

She said she would ask her boss and get back to me. It didn't sound promising and she has not gotten back to me. However, today is a US holiday following a weekend. Maybe boss went on vacation early last week. Fingers crossed for tomorrow.

[steves1977uk]

Anything is worth trying! I'm reluctant to post my dongles in case they get lost/stolen. Especially now they're even harder to get.

Steve

[Burgerman]

Maybe boss went on vacation early last week. Fingers crossed for tomorrow.

I suspect they know that your application needs a bigger power module than a wheelchair one and so ignored you. A wheelchair power module barely has enough power as it is. Also the boss is in england where PGDT are based. Theres just a branch in the US. For distribution. Same in othr countries. So you are probaby talking to an idiot.

[slomobile]

The golfcart project I told them it uses AC induction motors. Their industrial division sells those. That is why I asked for the R net development module. To create a bridge between medical R net and bigger industrial motor controllers. I felt any work in that direction is good for us.

The 4x4 project in its current state actually does not use R net at all except as a sort of remote control. I'd like to use 2 120A PMs, but without a dongle, they are a pain to work with. I have a raspberry Pi on my daily use chair capturing joystick position Rnet packets, translating them to integers, and publishing the values as a ROS topic which is subscribed to by the ROS unit on the 4x4.

I probably got too far in the technical weeds for an introductory email. and scared them away.

[Burgerman]

Yep.

[Scooterman]

The dealer dongle works perfectly though. It can write files made with oem software.

It does. I'm pleased with my secondhand one, it fine for tweaking the occasional setting. Really pleased I finally got one.

[WCDuser]

Re: R-net OEM PC Programmer Tool - D50611

Postby steves1977uk » 21 May 2022, 11:46
At £832.75 it's a rip-off! Especially when they're half that direct from Curtiss-Wright. My last OEM kit cost me £250 because it wasn't "new" as claimed, so complained and got it for half price! Not from C-W though.

Steve

Hi Steve, I'm in the US. I'm having the hardest time purchasing from P&G/ Curtiss Wright. Last week I contacted PG. They referred me to a dealer, then that dealer told me they wouldn't work with me unless I opened a wholesale account with them. Is it easier to purchase in the UK? Whats the trick? I would like to purchase direct from CW if they are will to ship to the US. They may tell me to contact the dealer thats closest to me. If that happens, the closest dealer wont sell to me. Any help would be appreciated. I located the part that I need. If I can just get them to sell it at a reasonable price in the US. I've now seen the part listed for 3 prices ($26 to $172) and marked also as discontinued, depending on manufacturer. If I could find a dealer in Canada, they might be willing to help. No luck so far.
I sure could use some help getting a direct line to CW sales. Thanks in advance.

[Burgerman]

Curtiss Wright are a huge conglomerate that own many companies including the originally british Penny and giles/PG Drives. The Headquarters for the company that make alll the mobility stuff in in christchurch UK. I was buying stuff direct from them inc OEM programmers from 97. And the same people are still in the office.

Non of the wheelchair companies will sell OEM direct to an end user. Curtiss Wright wont either. Unless they are selling to you for a very good reason, and you show that you are very knowlegable. Then they can be persuaded. For e.g you are building custom chairs for soccer use, or are a specialist seating expert that builds custom control systems/seating solutions. Etc

If you call Christchurch and are british, and sound like an end user, or that you dont show that you are extremely knowlegable and have a good excuse then they wont sell you OEM either.

There is for e.g one place in the US that sells them for soccer chair users... Which you probably know about. But they certainly are not cheap. I bought from them once. Also direct from PG on a different occasion. Inc programmer as well as power modules and other components. But I have a record going back 25 years.

I think its discusting that they make it so hard. These things are absolutely esential in order to properly configure the chairs in the say WE want. These things are our legs, our lives. But at least with R-Net its not a problem because any high street dealer or online dealer can sell you a Dealer version. Which with a little workaround can be used for full OEM accessabiliy. And this is the only way left to get a powerchair that we can properly program. And even this doesent work properly with permobil. So beware.

Foe what its worth you can also still find used ones on here (at least 3 this year) and ebay. And that US soccer shop.

[Scooterman]

If you mean this one it's been out of stock for ages and I don't think they'll be getting any more.

I think you originally gave me the link ages ago BM. They were in stock for a long time, but I wonder if PGDT discovered (non-soccer) end users were buying them i.e. us lot! Lol

[Burgerman]

Out of stock eve n with PG Drives, component shortages.