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Re: Personal Wheelchair Budgets

Postby Burgerman » 22 Nov 2020, 21:27

I will see if I can get a scan, and PM.

And its 3 years for me.
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Re: Personal Wheelchair Budgets

Postby expresso » 22 Nov 2020, 22:30

Even if its 5 years - that wont be that bad either - every 5 years - if thats all it takes - meaning once 5 years is up - get new chair - not too bad as long as the voucher they give you covers the chair you want or need etc,

over here its Min.. 5 years unless something extreme happens before then - but its Min. 5 years - BUT its also if the chair is in good working order - and you dont need anything different - like a power function you dont have and now need it medically - that would be fine - but if you dont need anything different and your chair is good working - etc.

can be harder to get - it depends
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Re: Personal Wheelchair Budgets

Postby Burgerman » 22 Nov 2020, 22:43

So since segreen doesent believe me... Just realised I can do a screenshot on my bank statements.

Heres a couple. One from 2015 and one paid 2018, to cover the Salsa. This current budget will get paid soon and I had a call recently (monday) to say so.

One is old, and paid into my DIRECT PAYMENTS ACCOUNT by North East Lincs Council, long before wheelchair services had heard of it. Pilot scheme.
The first one here is clearly labled as an amount directly into my account as a LINCS GOOLE NHS TRUST PWB and NHS etc.
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Re: Personal Wheelchair Budgets

Postby Burgerman » 25 Nov 2020, 13:17

This is the letter that segreen doesent believe is possible.
And I am currently disputing the figure on the basis that they ignored 3 important things of my personal assessement so I expect the £5455 offer figure will end up about 1k higher.

Of course its possible. Regardless of what segreen tells you. This is the 5th budget I think. And thats exactly what the PWB is for. It allows me to do my own thing. Based on a chair they WOULD HAVE provided to suit my clinical and holistic requirements. In this case based on my personal assessement.

It has allowed me to buy an unused, but 3 month old Q700R chair from a dealer that would have been 12.5K, for 4.4K "USED"... Its never been driven. With 12 month warranty, and including all the Options I need and some I just want. Like 6mph, 120A controller, tilt/lift/recline/powered centre footrest, 4 pole, lights, advanced colour joystick, 10A charger option etc. The charger wont work on lithium though and thats next! With 1 to 2k remaining for maintainance/mods as required.
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Re: Personal Wheelchair Budgets

Postby Burgerman » 25 Nov 2020, 13:59

Chair reciept...

This is an UNUSED chair that was ordered, top spec everything, 12.5K on the order form. It was presumably returned to the shop for whatever reason or a demo chair or something. Sold in August. Back on sale in september. Repeated on ebay until I bought it. It has no sign of use on tyres, or any other part. Still got protective covering film on a few places inc screen.

For 1/3rd the price of new. This is why PWB work. It allows me to spend NHS money far more wisely! And allows if I want to resell, buy another, or build my own. Or whatever I decide. If they say you cant do this, then you are letting them bullshit you with their ignorance. Most of themare clueless. This is EXACTLY what the Budgets (the clue is in the name) is for. Its not a voucher!!!
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Re: Personal Wheelchair Budgets

Postby segreen » 25 Nov 2020, 15:41

Well done John. You've proved your point that YOU get a PWB on that scale but I don't believe any other WCS offer anything like what you get and I'll happily eat my words if any other users out there can prove they get your kind of budget and in cash and every 3-years and to do as you please ie build your own, buy second hand etc as you do. All I'm saying is that people need to understand that it's not the norm. In my experience and probably most other users it's a voucher around £3.5k or less and its over 5-years.
Please prove me wrong. ;)
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Re: Personal Wheelchair Budgets

Postby rover220 » 25 Nov 2020, 16:12

segreen wrote:Well done John. You've proved your point that YOU get a PWB on that scale but I don't believe any other WCS offer anything like what you get and I'll happily eat my words if any other users out there can prove they get your kind of budget and in cash and every 3-years and to do as you please ie build your own, buy second hand etc as you do. All I'm saying is that people need to understand that it's not the norm. In my experience and probably most other users it's a voucher around £3.5k or less and its over 5-years.
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i have been in the game a decade now. i know of no body other than John that gets it like this, most amount i have seen is £4500 and it must still be paid direct to a supplier so not a true PWB
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Re: Personal Wheelchair Budgets

Postby Burgerman » 25 Nov 2020, 18:20

All I'm saying is that people need to understand that it's not the norm.


Because I dont give up so easily. I fight for my rights. And because I PROVED to them I am capable. Even to the point of having the andrew lansley personal secretary (health secretary) at my house while I explained that I could do better and that the WCS were unfit for purpose. While sa in a DIY BM2. The very reason I get what I do is because I fought for the pilot scheme. And because even today, I am writing a letter to half a dozen people refusing that £5455 and arguing my case for things they missed at their panel of experts. I dont try and please them, and take no prisoners. And as far as I know there are others doing the same because I used to be in touch with a few of them about 5 or 6 years back. The very reason the budget exists is to allow me to do what I want, and not be restricted. Hence the flyer saying so...


You have to tell them. Not ask them! If they refuse, or deny, go ABOVE THEM. Its your RIGHT. Why do you think its called a personal budget gor gods sake? Its not a voucher scheme!!! Thats because they will not change without force. I know for a fact that others are on personal budgets in my area after I upset them in 2015... I MADE them change. Once they woke up they realised what its all about.

If I lived in another area, the story would be exactly the same. Its just my willpower over theirs. And no, you wont get a result unless you go above the wcs unless they have already been kicked into shape!

I mean read this, YOU are allowed to do the same - thats the whole point! But like all socialist things, they dont like anything that makes waves. I make extremely big ones. To get some movment from an immovable object you need to hit it with an irrisistable force. Thats me.
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Re: Personal Wheelchair Budgets

Postby Burgerman » 25 Nov 2020, 20:08

Let me put it this way. The NHS is a socialist institution. They are totally adverse to any sort of change. Its like trying to move a wall.

You know that a budget is money.
They know that they supply wheelchairs. And that some use their voucher scheme.
So they continue as before, absolutely convinced that this is correct, just with a new name. That includes all the experts around the country, CCGs, and all the rest.
So your job is to convince them that YOU are correct. And the rest of the country, all the experts and everyone else is wrong. It can be done, because you ARE correct! And I did it 5 times...

You need to sit down a bunch of WCS bosses, CCG doctors, the NHS administrators, Then explain that this was not what is intended. Explain that its called a personal budget because thats exacly what it is. Not a wheelchair from their aproved supplier. Explain why it exists at all. Explain why a budget works better for you. Even if its only because you can add some money, buy a better chair that works properly outdoors too! Or that you want to buy a new or almost new better chair for the same cost as an NHS one. And that you want the CHOICE to spend it on your mobility in any way you see fit!

Once you can show that you are fully capable of doing this and getting a better holistic outcome than a motorised NHS deckchair then there should be no problem. Show them the two pages above. Then ask them two questions:

What did they think a personal budget was exactly?
And how is that different from the voucher scheme?

P.S. The three year thing is because I actually use my chairs hard. After 2 years use they look 10 years old. And I have piles of failed motors, batteries, ripped backs, loose arms, bent casters, etc. I am a bit of a hooligan acording to them. So they agreed 3 years so I could keep up. I have a history of somewhat used chairs. They supplied my original 6mph with lights F55 in 97. Under a lot of protest... By 2000 it had had at least 4 sets of batts, 3 sets of motors, 2 sets of arms, a replacement sling back, and a shelf full of bent casters. When you land from a wheelie and the caster fork os sideways they bend... And was rather tatty!

Well done John. You've proved your point that YOU get a PWB on that scale but I don't believe any other WCS offer anything like what you get and I'll happily eat my words if any other users out there can prove they get your kind of budget and in cash and every 3-years and to do as you please ie build your own, buy second hand etc as you do. All I'm saying is that people need to understand that it's not the norm. In my experience and probably most other users it's a voucher around £3.5k or less and its over 5-years.
Please prove me wrong.


Thats because they are offering you the voucher scheme. Not the budget that was introduced for ALL in 2016. Although they try to ignore it.

i have been in the game a decade now. i know of no body other than John that gets it like this, most amount i have seen is £4500 and it must still be paid direct to a supplier so not a true PWB


Its not one at all. Again they are still using the Voucher schemes rules. And calling it something else.
ASK how that is a PERSONAL BUDGET and ask how this differes from the Voucher scheme???
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Re: Personal Wheelchair Budgets

Postby duke1 » 25 Nov 2020, 20:59

hi it seems to me that only counts in johns region, and as every ccg seem to be allowed to interpret the guidelines to suit there agenda,ie change nothing and just keep ticking boxes.
and so far ive since first reading this thread being fighting to get a similar budget to johns,i have now spent best part of 2 years and so far i have a good few dozen emails to and from wcs and have had to make an official complaint to the nhs and have had my mp on the case and they told him the same that they under no circumstance will pay me in cash for any part of a pwb.
i can in theory buy from solutions mobility using the budget but it has to be paid direct to the supplier via nhs wcs and it seems no amount of kicking off and persistance will change that,i am told by the wcs butred manager that we would be the first people allowed to use the pwb to buy a used chair but also insist if you buy used it has to be an approved vendor and you also have to pay extended warranty for 5 years at time of purchase so you pay for 4 years as first is under the warranty.
so yes john it seems your a very special case :clap
i be willing to bet that by the time they act on it the chair we want will be sold and we back to square one again,but will i give up? :argument not on your nellie even if it means going to court im game :fencing
what i still dont understand is how all nhs ccg are meant to be following the same nhs guidelines but all seem to have different rules czy makes me need :joint beer :lol:
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Re: Personal Wheelchair Budgets

Postby Burgerman » 25 Nov 2020, 21:16

Thats easy. They are all just continuing along with the voucher scheme. And calling it something else. Thats not what was intended. Its also not whats happening me... EACH case is identified individually under these budgets. You decide what works best IN YOUR CASE for yourselves. You must show them that you can have a better outcome your way. Or they wont pay into your bank.

Its like this. You need to explain and show them that you can not only do better with the same amount of money, but that you are capable of maintainance etc. I did that by having 5 chairs, and sat in one that I built... Because I did things the other way around. I am contrary like that. I refuse to buy warranty. Even on used chairs. This one has free 12 months. But thats a first. Thats MY business though, because that is why I have a budget. Ever heard of NHS CHOICES!!! Thats what the budget is meant to give. Its NOT supposed to be the voucher scheme!

I built my own chairs AND buy my own chairs, when the price is right. Or if I sell a used one. For e.g. I bought that 4.4K chair 3 weeks ago while it was available with my money. And I am looking at it. Their money has been a year arguing, they are slow... I will get the first part within a week - the £5450 I was told. Buy first. If they come to assess you you can be already using it... And you can show why you need the lift/tilt/whatever.

You must keep calling, sending letters and putting them on the spot or they do nothing but meetings and coffee. And I have an offer, (above) for e.g. and accepted it provisionally, subject to increasing that amount when I have drummed the cost of a power centre footrest and a single post arm, and 4 pole motors (torque 20 stone) into them. So far its blank faces they simply dont understand. They will soon.

The problem isnt that I am getting something different, its that nobody else appears to be getting a budget at all. They think they are renaming the voucher scheme. EVERYWHERE inc here till I corrected them 3 years ago.
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Re: Personal Wheelchair Budgets

Postby terry2 » 27 Nov 2020, 11:12

"Direct payments are currently not routinely available as an option for managing a standalone personal wheelchair budget. NHS England and the Department of Health and Social Care are currently reviewing existing regulations to establish whether additional contributions are permissible under the Direct Payments in Healthcare Regulations."

https://www.england.nhs.uk/personal-hea ... stions/#q6

https://www.england.nhs.uk/publication/ ... r-budgets/

So if you are very lucky you will get the full amount paid in to your account.

Birmingham is the richest council in England, and I don't know anyone who got lucky.

I had the PWCB money. Just £2,000 which I am thankful for.
I put the other £4,400 for my chair.
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Re: Personal Wheelchair Budgets

Postby Burgerman » 27 Nov 2020, 12:40

You ommitted the last part. Which is working fine for me for 5 seperate payments.

Direct payment: This is where the budget holder holds the money in a bank account or an equivalent account, and takes responsibility for arranging the care and support, in line with the agreed personalised care and support plan.

Direct payments are currently not routinely *** available as an option for managing a standalone personal wheelchair budget. NHS England and the Department of Health and Social Care are currently reviewing existing regulations to establish whether additional contributions are permissible under the Direct Payments in Healthcare Regulations.

*** Means it can be if you insist and it gives you the better outcome

1. Therefore where a direct payment is requested it would either need to meet the whole cost of the wheelchair (which may be appropriate as part of an NHS Continuing Healthcare package),

2. or be part of an integrated package of care and clearly able to demonstrate the health and wellbeing outcome which required a contribution via a separately commissioned service.


This means BOTH or either of these methods can be applicable to your own situation. Depending on how well you show and agree (as I did in front of a group of higher ups to build my own for e.g.) that it is the best outcome for your personal needs over them supplying or buying a stock chair from a shop. You need to demonstrate **why** you can do better for your situation than they can.
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Re: Personal Wheelchair Budgets

Postby Burgerman » 27 Nov 2020, 12:53

So if you are very lucky you will get the full amount paid in to your account.
Birmingham is the richest council in England, and I don't know anyone who got lucky.


Luck doesent enter into it. And you are speaking to one. And NEL council is one of the poorest. It pays the full price of what THEY would pay (trade) for a chair that fits your clinical requirements. See scanned letter above. It doesent matter as the actual money gets exchanged between the CCG and the council behind the scenes.

And my last one, (and this new one I am expecting this next week/2 weeks) will be the same. LOOK at the payee on my bank statement linked. Actually a direct payment, into my direct payments account as NEL/GOOLE as a PWB and by CCG/NHS payment. download/file.php?id=14491&mode=view

I saved that PDF for any future arguments I may have.
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Re: Personal Wheelchair Budgets

Postby terry2 » 27 Nov 2020, 13:55

Burgerman wrote:
So if you are very lucky you will get the full amount paid in to your account.
Birmingham is the richest council in England, and I don't know anyone who got lucky.


Luck doesent enter into it. And you are speaking to one. And NEL council is one of the poorest. It pays the full price of what THEY would pay (trade) for a chair that fits your clinical requirements. See scanned letter above. It doesent matter as the actual money gets exchanged between the CCG and the council behind the scenes.

And my last one, (and this new one I am expecting this next week/2 weeks) will be the same. LOOK at the payee on my bank statement linked. Actually a direct payment, into my direct payments account as NEL/GOOLE as a PWB and by CCG/NHS payment. download/file.php?id=14491&mode=view

I saved that PDF for any future arguments I may have.



As said by all here. You are the only one.

Maybe they give you it for starting it all in the first place.
Kind of reward?

rover2020 deals with 100s of people every week\month, And he knows no one.

I've got mine now, so I never need to buy another ever again.
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Re: Personal Wheelchair Budgets

Postby Burgerman » 27 Nov 2020, 14:02

As said by all here. You are the only one.

Maybe they give you it for starting it all in the first place.
Kind of reward?


They dont do "rewards". And that cannot be true because there were dozens of users that joined the pilot scheme since I started initially. I used to be in contact with an email group of at least 30 for years.
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Re: Personal Wheelchair Budgets

Postby biscuit » 27 Nov 2020, 14:25

I think it could be a matter of the NHS having confidence that granting a PWB would result in the best patient outcome, so the patient doesn't come back and say No I am sorry but my wheelchair (that I got with my PWB) does not meet my needs now, I need another wheelchair that meets my needs. It's a bit of a judgement call - because patients' needs do change, or people might just change their mind about their needs, and who is to decide which of the two is happening if a patent prescribes their own wheelchair and/or gets one from their own preferred supplier??

So if Burgerman is able to instil that confidence in the bit of the NHS that he deals with, more power to his elbow.
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Re: Personal Wheelchair Budgets

Postby biscuit » 27 Nov 2020, 14:36

... And another thing. How did there come to be a question of whether someone is or is not getting the budget paid?? Surely it does not matter to anyone else here how Burgerman's finances pan out.
(Except maybe there are some who find the injustice of one person getting more money than another agonizing.)
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Re: Personal Wheelchair Budgets

Postby Burgerman » 27 Nov 2020, 14:38

Correct.

Also you probably wouldnt get a personal bugdet if you were simply using it to buy a powerchair that was already identified to fit your clinical needs. It must be more than that. The BUDGET must show that you can use the same figure to better suite your overall needs in life. For e.g if you live on a farm, you might need something different to what their voucher scheme could allow. To fit your holistic and joined up needs inc your situation, abilities, hobbies/work lifestyle in the greater bigger joined up picture.

For e.g. they will only allow an indoor chair, 4mph. No suspension or power, and skinny wheels. If you cannot transfer independently your chair MUST allow outdoor use. And be usable in your van to be able to buy food or bank. So a budget to get something more suitable, even if you must add some then makes sense.

Are any of my chairs stock? No. I SHOWED them that I can improve or modify, for better outcomes long before they got involved at my own cost. Because they were a waste of my time. Or building, buying, modding, selling, maintaining or rebuilding. Such that they can see that I am succsessful, and have 5 serviceble home made or modified chairs that they really dont understand.

Thats why I said above that I do my own thing, fund my own chairs, parts, builds, etc BEFORE they are involved. And they know that they are simply giving me money towards this. To achieve something they or a stock chair cant. Better outcome, for me. With the same money they WOULD have paid for a clinically assesed chair at their prices. For e.g. this Q700R chair, Already has modified arm parts, different front wheels/tyres and seat relocation, and reprogramming planned. And I paid for this, and its here now, before they have sent me the figures we are talking about. I expect that in around 2 weeks. As a contribution to my existing already delivered used/cheap/currently being modified Q700R powerchair!

They accept that this is OK because they have already seen my BM2 chairs with me curb jumping on 2 wheels like a sport manual chair, wheelieing them around the house/garden and sitting on the anti tip wheels as we drank coffee in my garden.

... And another thing. How did there come to be a question of whether someone is or is not getting the budget paid?? Surely it does not matter to anyone else here how Burgerman's finances pan out.
(Except maybe there are some who find the injustice of one person getting more money than another agonizing.)

Segreen didnt believe me.

Also those that find "injustice" are usually those that are of a socialist leaning. They have the politics of envy. It normally boils down to, they are not doing so well and are jealous!
I am doing nothing in my life, or with the direct payments, or the budget here, that everyone alse cannot do. The difference is that I dont accept no as an answer! And always look to the future and make good long term life decisions.
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Re: Personal Wheelchair Budgets

Postby segreen » 28 Nov 2020, 18:55

Segreen didnt believe me.

Also those that find "injustice" are usually those that are of a socialist leaning. They have the politics of envy. It normally boils down to, they are not doing so well and are jealous!
I am doing nothing in my life, or with the direct payments, or the budget here, that everyone alse cannot do. The difference is that I dont accept no as an answer! And always look to the future and make good long term life decisions.


John, I don't find it an injustice. You misunderstand me. The point I was making it that you lead everyone to believe that the same is on offer to everyone else and that isn't the case as people on here will testify. I say good luck to everyone that gets something for nothing. Life is hard enough being disable without having to fight for everything. I don't begrudge you your budget, I say well done to you and I mean it. Incidently I don't know of anyone other paraplegic then you that gets a powerchair. Everyone else gets a manual chair and a pair of gloves. You seem to have them in your pocket. ;)
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Re: Personal Wheelchair Budgets

Postby Burgerman » 28 Nov 2020, 20:42

John, I don't find it an injustice. You misunderstand me. The point I was making it that you lead everyone to believe that the same is on offer to everyone else


It is.

The difference is that you must show them why a personal budget leads to a better outcome for your situation over supplying a chair as they always did. I showed them this. And proved it. So this means the parts in red above then apply.

Read slowly these few posts.
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Re: Personal Wheelchair Budgets

Postby Burgerman » 28 Nov 2020, 20:57

So if you are very lucky you will get the full amount paid in to your account.
Birmingham is the richest council in England, and I don't know anyone who got lucky.

I had the PWCB money. Just £2,000 which I am thankful for.
I put the other £4,400 for my chair.


This is a success. But his clinical requirements didnt add up to enough for more money. My my own identified requirements and subsequent chair prescription form added up to a 11k chair. They offered half of that. They pay you what they could have got that chair for. In my case £4580. That was enough to buy the "used" chair that I have.

Exactly the same thing. Lift, tilt = £1600, recline 500?, power centre footrest 1400, and a chair that can do that with my weight costs more than terry2 clinical analysis. So he got less.

This may be a mix of his and their fault. He failed to identify enough expensive clinical or holistic needs basically. For e.g lift is costly. They dont normally allow this. But I live alone. cant reach stuff. Also cannot get my leg bag above toilet without it... And bed, dressing bench, and other things are all at different heights so cant transfer without this. Also pressure sore problems dictate tilt, recline. And my legs swell like balloons without the legrest lift. But it has to be centre mount one or I cant transfer! Etc etc. Stronger single post arms cost more to allow me to lift without destroying them. A jay2 cushion 700, All this adds £££. Lots of them. But if you dont ned these you will get less.
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Re: Personal Wheelchair Budgets

Postby duke1 » 01 Dec 2020, 22:27

hi all explanation of supposed difference between wcs voucher scheme and pwb from wcs manager

In terms of the difference between vouchers and personal wheelchair budgets, please see the personal wheelchair budget leaflet on our website for more information: https://www.sussexcommunity.nhs.uk/serv ... ryID=16359. There are a number of differences, including the introduction of support plans to support more holistic and collaborative assessment, but one of the big differences that is relevant to Linda is that independent vouchers were only permitted for manual wheelchairs, whereas now the personal wheelchair budget scheme includes powered wheelchairs. I accept that as a service we do have further work to do in order to be fully using the personal wheelchair budget system as intended, however we are working on this, along with many other services in the country. The request to purchase second hand is a new situation for us, so we are establishing the process as we do it. As I mentioned in a previous email, when it comes to client choice regarding how to spend the money, there are still going to be limitations, even with the personal wheelchair budget process. Giving clients the money to spend as they wish e.g. purchasing via auction sites or self-building, would be more in keeping with a ‘direct payment’, which is not routinely available for personal wheelchair budgets at present. NHS England and the Department of Health and Social Care are looking into this further at the moment.
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Re: Personal Wheelchair Budgets

Postby Burgerman » 01 Dec 2020, 23:35

Since you posted this twice I replied here too!
I accept that as a service we do have further work to do in order to be fully using the personal wheelchair budget system as intended, however we are working on this, along with many other services in the country.

All of this was intended to be done, And FULLY USING and implemented by 2016, according to the NHS own website. As instructed by NHS boss Simon Stephens. So they are 5 years behind in january . And even then only because you are forcing them. Thats their fault not yours. As I said, they are a socialst institution. They resist change desperately. And are like a brick wall. But you can force them. And the ONLY way to make them change is to do so. Or another 5 years will pass.

The request to purchase second hand is a new situation for us, so we are establishing the process as we do it. As I mentioned in a previous email, when it comes to client choice regarding how to spend the money, there are still going to be limitations, even with the personal wheelchair budget process. Giving clients the money to spend as they wish e.g. purchasing via auction sites or self-building, would be more in keeping with a ‘direct payment’, which is not routinely available for personal wheelchair budgets at present. NHS England and the Department of Health and Social Care are looking into this further at the moment


As for "routinely available" direct payment option that just means you need to give them a good reason why. And it wasnt routine here either. Not "routine" just means it IS POSSIBLE but they dont like change... Thats just you against them as to if they implement this or not. And routine means it can be if you insist and show why this is a better method for your situation and gives you a better outcome... As I already proved 5 times. Your job is to kick them into shape and make them take this option seriously. As I did.
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Re: Personal Wheelchair Budgets

Postby duke1 » 05 Dec 2020, 21:53

hi all just thought it maybe help if you are trying to get a pwb and buy a chair of your own choosing and used the wcs will tell you it is not allowed but this is not true,the trader needs to be bhta registered and the budget paid direct to them via wcs and obviously the chair has to meet the needs prescribed.
but yes you can buy used so far better than being tied to low end powerchair use,we still havent got any confirmation of the payment being done for the van os airide from solutions but has been a right fight so far i just got fed up and went and bought her a comfy one for indoor and today fitted a diy centre footplate so now she can finally be safe and comfy,peace all :joint
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Re: Personal Wheelchair Budgets

Postby Burgerman » 05 Dec 2020, 22:35

Well thats not true is it. Mine is paid into my bank. I spend it however I wish. They dont even know what I do with the money. As long as they can wash their hands of me for another 3 years. My last chair, used, came from eBay and I bought it before even getting the money.
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Re: Personal Wheelchair Budgets

Postby duke1 » 05 Dec 2020, 23:19

Burgerman wrote:Well thats not true is it. Mine is paid into my bank. I spend it however I wish. They dont even know what I do with the money. As long as they can wash their hands of me for another 3 years. My last chair, used, came from eBay and I bought it before even getting the money.

hi bm ive checked and your seemingly the only one getting direct payment and i see yours is from the local authority and grimsby ccg area has carried on the pwb as it was piloted.
but other areas have interpreted the limited guidelines differently and it seems this is not likely to change in the near future so atleast this way we do get to choose the right chair and tbh i dont care who or how they pay for it i just want them to do it,and maybe in 5 years the path to the pwb direct payments will have been made clear to them,we are the first ever in sussex to be allowed to but used using the pwb and our choice of chair,so a good start no?
of course none of this means anything really improves unless we do it ourselves,peace
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Re: Personal Wheelchair Budgets

Postby Burgerman » 06 Dec 2020, 00:23

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7606&start=780#p164604

It seems you didnt really understand this post.

Yes a start. But unless everone in every area does this they will keep on dishing out the voucher scheme and calling is something else. Thats not what was ever intended.
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Re: Personal Wheelchair Budgets

Postby steves1977uk » 10 Dec 2020, 13:32

I was offered £3,584 as per the old voucher scheme. This figure wouldn't even cover the base model of this chair which WCS provides... https://www.invacare.co.uk/power-wheelc ... 0-modulite

I'm going to fight WCS to cover the base model of the Dietz RWD chair which starts at £5,195, since I now need lift/tilt and recline to make life easier for me and Carers.

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Re: Personal Wheelchair Budgets

Postby Burgerman » 10 Dec 2020, 13:47

You realise that they only pay what it would cost them? Basically as a starting point thats 40% discount. If they have made better arrangements that may be more.

So if the base price of a chair is 5k they will offer you around half that plus some for any cushions etc and maintainance.
I was offered £54xx because the chair with all its boxes ticked added up to around 10K. Plus cushion, plus maintainance of a rediculous 100 per year.

Initially they gave me full retail. And now they are only giving the "trade" price as thats what they could get the chair you were assessed on cost to them.
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