segreen wrote:Well done John. You've proved your point that YOU get a PWB on that scale but I don't believe any other WCS offer anything like what you get and I'll happily eat my words if any other users out there can prove they get your kind of budget and in cash and every 3-years and to do as you please ie build your own, buy second hand etc as you do. All I'm saying is that people need to understand that it's not the norm. In my experience and probably most other users it's a voucher around £3.5k or less and its over 5-years.
Please prove me wrong.
All I'm saying is that people need to understand that it's not the norm.
Well done John. You've proved your point that YOU get a PWB on that scale but I don't believe any other WCS offer anything like what you get and I'll happily eat my words if any other users out there can prove they get your kind of budget and in cash and every 3-years and to do as you please ie build your own, buy second hand etc as you do. All I'm saying is that people need to understand that it's not the norm. In my experience and probably most other users it's a voucher around £3.5k or less and its over 5-years.
Please prove me wrong.
i have been in the game a decade now. i know of no body other than John that gets it like this, most amount i have seen is £4500 and it must still be paid direct to a supplier so not a true PWB
Direct payment: This is where the budget holder holds the money in a bank account or an equivalent account, and takes responsibility for arranging the care and support, in line with the agreed personalised care and support plan.
Direct payments are currently not routinely *** available as an option for managing a standalone personal wheelchair budget. NHS England and the Department of Health and Social Care are currently reviewing existing regulations to establish whether additional contributions are permissible under the Direct Payments in Healthcare Regulations.
*** Means it can be if you insist and it gives you the better outcome
1. Therefore where a direct payment is requested it would either need to meet the whole cost of the wheelchair (which may be appropriate as part of an NHS Continuing Healthcare package),
2. or be part of an integrated package of care and clearly able to demonstrate the health and wellbeing outcome which required a contribution via a separately commissioned service.
So if you are very lucky you will get the full amount paid in to your account.
Birmingham is the richest council in England, and I don't know anyone who got lucky.
Burgerman wrote:So if you are very lucky you will get the full amount paid in to your account.
Birmingham is the richest council in England, and I don't know anyone who got lucky.
Luck doesent enter into it. And you are speaking to one. And NEL council is one of the poorest. It pays the full price of what THEY would pay (trade) for a chair that fits your clinical requirements. See scanned letter above. It doesent matter as the actual money gets exchanged between the CCG and the council behind the scenes.
And my last one, (and this new one I am expecting this next week/2 weeks) will be the same. LOOK at the payee on my bank statement linked. Actually a direct payment, into my direct payments account as NEL/GOOLE as a PWB and by CCG/NHS payment. download/file.php?id=14491&mode=view
I saved that PDF for any future arguments I may have.
As said by all here. You are the only one.
Maybe they give you it for starting it all in the first place.
Kind of reward?
... And another thing. How did there come to be a question of whether someone is or is not getting the budget paid?? Surely it does not matter to anyone else here how Burgerman's finances pan out.
(Except maybe there are some who find the injustice of one person getting more money than another agonizing.)
Segreen didnt believe me.
Also those that find "injustice" are usually those that are of a socialist leaning. They have the politics of envy. It normally boils down to, they are not doing so well and are jealous!
I am doing nothing in my life, or with the direct payments, or the budget here, that everyone alse cannot do. The difference is that I dont accept no as an answer! And always look to the future and make good long term life decisions.
John, I don't find it an injustice. You misunderstand me. The point I was making it that you lead everyone to believe that the same is on offer to everyone else
So if you are very lucky you will get the full amount paid in to your account.
Birmingham is the richest council in England, and I don't know anyone who got lucky.
I had the PWCB money. Just £2,000 which I am thankful for.
I put the other £4,400 for my chair.
I accept that as a service we do have further work to do in order to be fully using the personal wheelchair budget system as intended, however we are working on this, along with many other services in the country.
The request to purchase second hand is a new situation for us, so we are establishing the process as we do it. As I mentioned in a previous email, when it comes to client choice regarding how to spend the money, there are still going to be limitations, even with the personal wheelchair budget process. Giving clients the money to spend as they wish e.g. purchasing via auction sites or self-building, would be more in keeping with a ‘direct payment’, which is not routinely available for personal wheelchair budgets at present. NHS England and the Department of Health and Social Care are looking into this further at the moment
Burgerman wrote:Well thats not true is it. Mine is paid into my bank. I spend it however I wish. They dont even know what I do with the money. As long as they can wash their hands of me for another 3 years. My last chair, used, came from eBay and I bought it before even getting the money.
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