The first thing you need to do is understand what you need to say to get the direct payment there is a small problem in that many CCG's already have systems in place for PWB's for manual chairs and will be forced to include power chairs. You need to understand how each system works because the guidelines are ambiguous and CCG's will interpret as they want.
.Going into it and not knowing whether they will give a direct payment as a cheque is essential
You keep going on about what you get but it is not a PWB and is totally irrelevant in almost every other area you wouldn't get it. It was done prior to PWB and no-one has changed it. Enjoy whilst you can
For everyone else the PWB now has guidelines and will have legislation so you have to play the system. I'd guess almost every WCS will agree a wheelchair spec with you and want proof that you purchased the agreed spec chair, it doesn't seem unreasonable that they do this.
The lack of clarity leaves gaps, you can't contribute personally but could a charity or Access to Work contribute?
Lots of areas which might be used but you need to understand them before you can push or fight. To do that you need to know what things like NHS Commissioned Services are or whether your CHC can be used. If you can't understand you need to learn!
My CCG already have a system for manual chairs, it requires proof of purchase so an invoice or receipt to show that you bought what was agreed, personally I won't use a direct payment under those terms I'll be better off agreeing that I get a Q700R instead of the top level Q200R they supply and paying the difference if they do it all at the price they pay.
It would only be the base chair as they already have to fit micro guide joystick, neck harness, Omni Jay backrest, Roho cushion, Ottobock armrests, Ottobock headrest, 4 point chest harness and tilt to any chair they supply. Q700R has 4 pole motor, R Net 120A etc. If they do the difference at cost it saves me negotiating a discount from a dealer.
If you don't do any of the above you probably won't get a direct payment, you have to understand it.
The problem is not theirs, it is yours, you have to get passed it, they'll just keep doing what they are doing.
The 2 get out clauses for direct payment both link to CHC or commissioned services you have to get around them, I'm pretty sure that the commissioned service is the NHS commissioning a CHC package and the need for a specialist chair is identified as part of your care. .
The issue on direct payment and personal contribution is clear, there are regulations on it. Of course you can still contribute but you might have to use one of the other 3 alternatives not direct payment. As I keep saying you need to understand how they operate before taking them on, if you don't you haven't got a chance. It is not difficult just research and knowing what they currently do, then preparing your argument.
I do want the chair of my choice which means a PWB,
I'm not bothered about a direct payment if one of the other options gets that chair at a lower personal cost and is easy to sort.
Burgerman wrote:They made their minds up before they ever heard of you. The rest of it was a surprise to them.
Church? Are you serious???
King James Bible; Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
Burgerman wrote:Dont care how big. Its full of the illogical delusionalist nutters. I would avoid it.
Also understand that your tea pays into the church funds. Thats why that big resturant thing exists. Its a money making system for the church. They use it to send missionaries to poor third world countries to spread their desease and mind control to those with more than enough issues already. Then they start banging nails into their own childrens heads for e.g. to drive out "evil spirits" that have turned them into witches. Seriously. I kid you not. Just 1 example. Because religious ignorance is always bad. Esp now in the hands of savages that dont understand how the world works, who read this rubbish, and think its true! And YOU caused it.King James Bible; Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
And a dozen other witch claims. Remember, abandoned, and tortured children, peope nailed in the head, and to crosses, or burned alive, all due to your cup of tea!
Where do you live?
It must be a very bad place when people do that.
The church by me is run by the people for the people.
Burgerman wrote:StaRT at post one and read slowly.
The 4 pole one can be programmed down to 4mph by wcs. Or supplied that way. Then it can be set back to its 6 later. The 4mph 2 pole motor one cant. The 6mph 2 pole one you dont want... But it too can be programmed back to 6.
Burgerman wrote:You started out wrong. You let them drive and assess you. You got exactly the treatment I expected.
You MUST take charge, from the start and mean it. But I give up. Nobody listens. You negotiated like tereasa may. Instead of donald trump.
Now you are in the wrong situation. You now have to try to negotiate them up to hat you wanted. Instead of them being on the defensive and trying to explain to you why they wanted to offer less.
terry2 wrote:Bad news and good news.
The ebay seller that was supposed to deliver my chair has now said there was a fault in the chair and it got sent back.
I called BS on this as I know they come from Germany all boxed up.
So now I have to pay the full price
Got in touch with Horizon Mobility and they are going to get my chair for me.
The wheel chair service lady has been golden and is help to push through the voucher to the shop.
The problem now is that the local CCG has a person doing a voucher that has never done a voucher before
So that will take a week. Then another month for the chair to come...
But the other good news is that they will change the speed to 10 mph for me
I also found out that the 4 mph version of the Meyra optimus 2 can not be made to go faster...ever.
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