EBay Salsa's

[Burgerman]

2 pole, 6mph, VR2, Lift and tilt. Very cheap. As new. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/QUICKIE-SALS ... SwgslbCWpr

As above but 4mph, no lift, but basically new. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUNRISE-Quic ... SwEzxYODxR

Both cheap and once configured perfect backup chairs. Or watch for RNET and 4 pole motors on ebay, to make a project chair.

USED 600 pounds, includes 6mph 2 pole and tilt, and a CENTRE FOOTREST so you can move the seat back.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Salsa-R2-Pow ... Swy09beraP

Another power centre footrest salsa with tilt, and needs the seat moving back. 2 pole 4mph, 1 mile from new, 1/4 the price. Easy to mod!
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/QUICKIE-SALS ... 0005.m1851

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/QUICKIE-SALS ... SwjW5bU2~B

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/QUICKIE-SALS ... 0005.m1851

Lots of mid drive ones if thats your thing!
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_sop= ... 2&_sacat=0

Whats hard to find are 6mph 4 pole ones, when you see one, buy!

All of these rear drive ones can be tidied up with little work to look like this:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7455&start=600#p122818 SCROLL!

[shirley_hkg]

Calling all guys here a favour .

Drop me a note if you came across a Storm 4 Xplore by Invacare .

[ICEUK]

4pole motors only come with r-net?

[Burgerman]

No. But to make best use of them you need r-net 120. Not 90. Or VR2.

[Dan]

Calling all guys here a favour .

Drop me a note if you came across a Storm 4 Xplore by Invacare .

I do check ebay from time to time just for the hell of it. I don't recall a brushless version coming up for sale or even that many Storm 4's, but like BurgerMan has shown there are loads of Salsa's and the like.

Are you looking for a brushless one? What type of budget? How much would the postage be

Here is an 8MPH one but its not brushless.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/INVACARE-STO ... SwZCxbhY9c

There is a German site that does new ones and posts worldwide.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Invacare-Sto ... Sw~OdVXdkJ

[elryko1992]

Calling all guys here a favour .

Drop me a note if you came across a Storm 4 Xplore by Invacare .

Look a Invacare Storm 4 Xplore gearless brushless motors like Burgerman, you need only to programmed and change the wheels and you have a tank

https://www.gumtree.com/p/mobility-disa ... 1312654105

[shirley_hkg]

Good find . Thanks .

[mickeymonk]

Not a Salsa but it is RWD, this was a bargain at £150

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Quantum-Rear-Wheel-Drive-Powerchair-with-R-Net-Controller-in-Silver/123239540369?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

It's not R-Net though, it's VR2.

[shirley_hkg]

Please keep me posted .

[Burgerman]

You wont like the storm4 it doesent work, too heavy, brushless stalls and chair doesent function... Its why mine went back to its factory.

I have a storm3 that you can have cheap!
Complete with many spares. 2 additional motors, an extra power module, bus cables, lighting and seating modules and wiring/connectors and either REM24 or REM 550 etc.
Tyres are original, and barely worn. Chair looks like its been stored for many years mostly dust. and is old fashioned looking and nose heavy. Swing away footrests etc. Also spare tyres... Has solids on at the moment.

Its one of these:



But TT Brushless.


PM me if interested. But not any clue how it would be shipped. Seems impossible. So if anyone is interested in a project chair with plenty of ready to go spares, here is one! Needs decent seat, moving back, and centre footplate. Also inc programmer if you need one.

[shirley_hkg]

A friend , who is obsessed with GB , likes to have one with 4 wheels suspension , that most new models now have .

[Burgerman]

Well he is going to be mighty disapointed! 190A at the battery to turn the chair in place when EMPTY. And it can only do this for a fraction of a second before the software reduces current fast to a quarter of that. So it may turn on carpet once. Twice if you are lucky. It is faulty by design.

[shirley_hkg]

We didn't have such problems in our models , even the oldest one .
Is it on european model only ?
Design fault in motor / controller , or both ?

[Burgerman]

Its the weight, and you did have signs of the same problems even on the storm 3 models. If you program it to actually steer properly they dont like it. The controller just shuts down to protect itself.

But the 190kg storm 4 does this even when using the stock programming with a heavy user. Its bordeline OK if you weigh 50kg...

But it drives like a hovercraft.

[shirley_hkg]

Calling all guys here a favour .

Drop me a note if you came across a Storm 4 Xplore by Invacare .

[Burgerman]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/INVACARE-STO ... :rk:2:pf:0


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Invacare-Sto ... rk:16:pf:0

[shirley_hkg]

I'd have taken your's at this price .

[Burgerman]

mINE WAS RETURNED TO "RESEARCH" THe problem. They already know the problem. Its faulty by design. Trust me it wont work.

And they returned the purchase price so it would have cost you 6k pounds.

[shirley_hkg]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Invacare-Sto ... :rk:3:pf:0

[Dan]

Cheaper. Item location Manchester. 6MPH but NOT brushless.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/INVACARE-STO ... 0009.m1982

[Burgerman]

But also...
Flimsy lift post.
No front suspension.
Different seating options.
Swing away footrests way in front of the casters so its as nose heavy as hell and wornt steer properly.

[elryko1992]

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre ... 3670698493

[steves1977uk]

Ebay has loads of MWD chairs... Gee, I wonder why that is!

Steve

[Burgerman]

If I was buying a stock chair, that I couldnt tweak a bit to make it work properly then I too would have to buy a horrid 6 wheel chair.


Why?

Because as they come as stock, ALL rear drive chairs are unusable. They all universally site the user far enough forwards that their heels sit AHEAD of the caster wheels when revered. That leave the user sat way too far ahead of the chair. Whith more that 50% of the chairs total weight sat over the small front casters. And they steer from the rear. So now the motors dont have enough torque to initiate a zero speed turn. Even rolling they struggle. On slippy ground, grass, etc the rear drive wheels dont even have adequate traction. So spin while the front small casters sink into the surface. This makes every one of these chairs unusable. Hence the popularity of mid drive chairs. The people selling or providing them see that they "work" where the rear drives dont even turn, and feel about as long as an oil tanker.

So while a CORRECTLY CONFIGURED rear drive chair, with seating moved back, which only a narrow centre footplate allows (on suitable cairs) is the best option indoors and outdoors. That no longer feels long. Steers with the lightness of a centre drive. And work on all surfaces without the overloaded casters sinking in your lawn, and so steers properly, there are NON that come this way! Not one.

The manufacturers insist on either too narrow caster positioning, or stupid swing away footrests that put your legs in front of the casters, and the seating must then follow suit.

Read this first post here. ALL those points are ESSENTIAL.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7455&start=600#p122818
And you will understand why I did all that fine tuning. So we are left in a position of a crap rear drive chair, a hateful mid drive compromise, of doing some work to help yourself.

[shirley_hkg]

Time to retire my 15 years old Storm Arrow , and want to get a spare.

Calling all guys here a favour .

Drop me a note if you came across a Storm 4 Xplore by Invacare .

[Dan]

There was a cheapish one recently sold on ebay UK. I almost bought it myself for a backup or for parts.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/INVACARE-STO ... Swz2NdZEQC

Its hard to find good ones much cheaper than that one in the UK.

[shirley_hkg]

YES !
Shouldn't let it go.

Keep looking .

[rickystyx]

not cheap are they - it there much difference to the storm 4?
https://mobilityscootersuk.co.uk/2016-i ... -8mph.html

[Burgerman]

Thats without the power footrests power tilt power recline, power lift options. A very basic chair. The options like lift are the very reason for the design being how it is. Its daft to then buy this chair without it.

With all options about 7k new.

[shirley_hkg]

With all options about 7k new.

Do you know if they will sell outside Europe ?
Warranty is not a must !

Can you make an enquiry ?