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Puma 40 PowerChair

Postby hotwheels_75 » 23 Mar 2019, 22:36

Hey all, I recently aquired a handicare Puma 40 Power Chair. I’m told it’s around 10 years old but it was never used other than some sort of demo chair. I got it with the intent of stripping it for parts, but it’s in such nice condition it seems a shame to junk it. I was gonna try using it, but it’s got a weird proprietary seating system on it.. Sedeo Seating.

I use MatrX personal Backrest. Does anyone know a if there’s an adapter kit to fit a MatrX Backrest to the Sedeo seating? I was hoping to avoid any major modifications.

What’s your opinions and experience with the chair? I see some older posts of people using the same chair. Good bad, ugly?
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Re: Puma 40 PowerChair

Postby rover220 » 24 Mar 2019, 07:16

yep there is a third party backrest frame available, i can supply if required.

probably younger than 10 years old aswell, production date will be on a sticker
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Re: Puma 40 PowerChair

Postby terry2 » 24 Mar 2019, 08:03

I have got the Sedeo Seating on my Puma 40. It's very comfi and waterproof.

Be warned the motors for the Puma 40 will cost you a kidney and 2 legs.
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Re: Puma 40 PowerChair

Postby hotwheels_75 » 24 Mar 2019, 15:12

rover220 wrote:yep there is a third party backrest frame available, i can supply if required.

probably younger than 10 years old aswell, production date will be on a sticker


Do you have pictures? I haven’t had much of a chance to investigate any of the details. It looks newer than 10 years, I’m only going by the people I got it from.

terry2 wrote:I have got the Sedeo Seating on my Puma 40. It's very comfi and waterproof.

Be warned the motors for the Puma 40 will cost you a kidney and 2 legs.


Have you had many problems with your motors? Good to know! I’m not using my legs but I still need my kidneys! :D
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Re: Puma 40 PowerChair

Postby rover220 » 24 Mar 2019, 21:35

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Re: Puma 40 PowerChair

Postby kingqueen » 25 Mar 2019, 02:10

I bought a new Puma 40, arrived about 3 weeks ago, though it is now Quickie branded (Sunrise bought out Handicare.)

I like Sedeo. It is so easily adjusted, and replicated - nearly everything using the same Torx driver and with numbers on every adjustment.

The ordering form for the chair, http://www.sunrisedice.com/asset-bank/a ... /36337.pdf , lists a "Backrest frame for third-party backrests".

I guess the difficulty may be buying it. I have yet to find anywhere (particularly in the UK) that sells such.
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Re: Puma 40 PowerChair

Postby Burgerman » 25 Mar 2019, 02:51

rover220 » Yesterday, 07:16
yep there is a third party backrest frame available, i can supply if required.
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Re: Puma 40 PowerChair

Postby greybeard » 25 Mar 2019, 10:12

I'm on my second Puma 40 with Sedeo Pro seating. Both acquired second hand. 6mph motors. Rnet 120 electrics.

Can't fault the seating but I don't have any special requirements. Very happy with the chair itself as I prefer front wheel drive. It's easily changed from FW to RW drive (4 bolts) but you can only use swing away footrests with RW as the casters are too close together to allow a centre mount footrest. No motor problems.

As has been said everything is easily adjustable and the chair is powerful enough to cart my 300+ pounds wherever I want to go with few limitations.
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Re: Puma 40 PowerChair

Postby terry2 » 25 Mar 2019, 13:36

hotwheels_75 wrote:
rover220 wrote:yep there is a third party backrest frame available, i can supply if required.

probably younger than 10 years old aswell, production date will be on a sticker


Do you have pictures? I haven’t had much of a chance to investigate any of the details. It looks newer than 10 years, I’m only going by the people I got it from.

terry2 wrote:I have got the Sedeo Seating on my Puma 40. It's very comfi and waterproof.

Be warned the motors for the Puma 40 will cost you a kidney and 2 legs.


Have you had many problems with your motors? Good to know! I’m not using my legs but I still need my kidneys! :D



The motors are good. It's just the price of them.
You can get one of these for the price of 2 motors

https://m.alibaba.com/amp/product/60712728614.html
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Re: Puma 40 PowerChair

Postby hotwheels_75 » 25 Mar 2019, 14:27

Thanks for all the replies. I have a lightly modified MatrX Backrest, it has extra padding and some contoured areas for pressure relief for my bony back. It’s quick release and I can just swap it between my chairs.i could just see if there’s a sedeo Backrest that would suit me. The sedeo system is quite impressive with its ease of adjustability.

This chair has 6mp motors is currently in FWD, I really like that it’s reversible. It has the swing away leg rests but they’re powered. They appear to be kinda flimsy though. I plan to test it as FWD, I’ve only ever had RWD chairs. It has a power tilt with elevation, which I’ve been wanting to try out an elevating seat. It’s r-net but only a 90A controller. It has really skinny wheels and tires though which I’d definitely have to change if I end up using it.

Im in Canada too, so availability of some stuff might be more complicated/expensive to ship. I’ll look through the order form and check with my OT see if I can get a Backrest and not modify anything.

rover220 wrote:http://www.sunrisedice.com/asset-bank/assetfile/32780.pdf

page 67


Can you give a price?
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Re: Puma 40 PowerChair

Postby terry2 » 25 Mar 2019, 14:32

hotwheels_75 wrote:Thanks for all the replies. I have a lightly modified MatrX Backrest, it has extra padding and some contoured areas for pressure relief for my bony back. It’s quick release and I can just swap it between my chairs.i could just see if there’s a sedeo Backrest that would suit me. The sedeo system is quite impressive with its ease of adjustability.

This chair has 6mp motors is currently in FWD, I really like that it’s reversible. It has the swing away leg rests but they’re powered. They appear to be kinda flimsy though. I plan to test it as FWD, I’ve only ever had RWD chairs. It has a power tilt with elevation, which I’ve been wanting to try out an elevating seat. It’s r-net but only a 90A controller. It has really skinny wheels and tires though which I’d definitely have to change if I end up using it.

Im in Canada too, so availability of some stuff might be more complicated/expensive to ship. I’ll look through the order form and check with my OT see if I can get a Backrest and not modify anything.

rover220 wrote:http://www.sunrisedice.com/asset-bank/assetfile/32780.pdf

page 67


Can you give a price?


It says in the link "US $1,380 - 1,980 / Piece "

I see your in Canada, so more $ to you.
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Re: Puma 40 PowerChair

Postby hotwheels_75 » 25 Mar 2019, 18:15

I meant for the 3rd party brackets.


But on the Chinese wheelchairs has anyone ever bought one?
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Re: Puma 40 PowerChair

Postby Burgerman » 25 Mar 2019, 18:51

That IS for 3rd party brackets. On the puma chair.

As for oddball chinese chairs, they are what they are.
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Re: Puma 40 PowerChair

Postby foghornleghorn » 25 Mar 2019, 20:13

Wouldn't surprise me if a lot of branded chairs are basically a crate of Chinese parts bolted together in a different country in the same way cars used to be skirt around tax and import laws by having final assembly done in the country of use from a set of pieces. Several big name chairs I've seen recently look pretty much identical to earlier Chinese offerings too, as if companies are just sourcing complete chairs from China and up-badging them, rather than the Chinese version being the knock-off copy.
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Re: Puma 40 PowerChair

Postby ex-Gooserider » 26 Mar 2019, 02:50

foghornleghorn wrote:Wouldn't surprise me if a lot of branded chairs are basically a crate of Chinese parts bolted together in a different country in the same way cars used to be skirt around tax and import laws by having final assembly done in the country of use from a set of pieces. Several big name chairs I've seen recently look pretty much identical to earlier Chinese offerings too, as if companies are just sourcing complete chairs from China and up-badging them, rather than the Chinese version being the knock-off copy.



Basically right - if you look into it, there are only a few makers for motors, chair control systems, actuators, and so on... So the chair makers are all getting their major parts from the same few places, many Chinese, some other countries....

The individual manufacturers may design their own frames and brackets, possibly a seating setup (unless they get the seats from the same few companies that make seats for the auto industry, which is likely on scooters and the less fancy power chairs) but everything that bolts onto them is coming from the same few suppliers

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Re: Puma 40 PowerChair

Postby hotwheels_75 » 26 Mar 2019, 15:26

Burgerman wrote:That IS for 3rd party brackets. On the puma chair.

As for oddball chinese chairs, they are what they are.


“It says in the link "US $1,380 - 1,980 / Piece "

That price is the one listed on alibaba for the Chinese Wheelchairs, not for the puma brackets.


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foghornleghorn wrote:Wouldn't surprise me if a lot of branded chairs are basically a crate of Chinese parts bolted together in a different country in the same way cars used to be skirt around tax and import laws by having final assembly done in the country of use from a set of pieces. Several big name chairs I've seen recently look pretty much identical to earlier Chinese offerings too, as if companies are just sourcing complete chairs from China and up-badging them, rather than the Chinese version being the knock-off copy.



Basically right - if you look into it, there are only a few makers for motors, chair control systems, actuators, and so on... So the chair makers are all getting their major parts from the same few places, many Chinese, some other countries....

The individual manufacturers may design their own frames and brackets, possibly a seating setup (unless they get the seats from the same few companies that make seats for the auto industry, which is likely on scooters and the less fancy power chairs) but everything that bolts onto them is coming from the same few suppliers

ex-Gooserider


I’m tempted to buy one just to see what they’re made of, build quality and component quality etc. But I have 4 chairs now with no place to conveniently store them all. Lol
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Re: Puma 40 PowerChair

Postby terry2 » 26 Mar 2019, 16:46

foghornleghorn wrote:Wouldn't surprise me if a lot of branded chairs are basically a crate of Chinese parts bolted together in a different country in the same way cars used to be skirt around tax and import laws by having final assembly done in the country of use from a set of pieces. Several big name chairs I've seen recently look pretty much identical to earlier Chinese offerings too, as if companies are just sourcing complete chairs from China and up-badging them, rather than the Chinese version being the knock-off copy.



It's a crime that we can't get the parts off the self\Chinese online store.
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Re: Puma 40 PowerChair

Postby hotwheels_75 » 29 Jul 2020, 14:07

I’m back to trying to work on my Puma 40. No one locally deals in parts for them here so it needs to be rednecked customized. I’m scrapping my off-road project chair that started life as a quantum blast 850. It wasn’t a good chair to begin with and it didn’t do much better as a project. So I’m gonna rob some pieces off that to adapt the puma hopefully. Then might build the puma into something.

Another issue I have is the little skinny tires and wheels on the Puma, the rims are too narrow to accept standard size 3.00 x 8” wheelchair tires. Anyone know of other wheels that will fit? I could go aftermarket/custom with a homemade adapter plater, but I’d like to keep it simple just so I can use the chair long enough to decide if I like it.
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Re: Puma 40 PowerChair

Postby shirley_hkg » 29 Jul 2020, 14:38


3.50-8 no problem at all.
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Re: Puma 40 PowerChair

Postby hotwheels_75 » 29 Jul 2020, 14:43

My rims aren’t wide enough and the inner half of the rim isn’t drilled for a valve stem. I tried to mount a solid 3.00 x 8 tire on the rim and there was no chance. There was at least a quarter inch gap between the rim halves
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Re: Puma 40 PowerChair

Postby Burgerman » 29 Jul 2020, 16:08

Any wheels will fit. Its all just metal. Mind over metal... If you mean bolt on with no effort, then only skinny wheelchair wheels fit.
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Re: Puma 40 PowerChair

Postby shirley_hkg » 29 Jul 2020, 16:31

Post pic of wheel .
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Re: Puma 40 PowerChair

Postby rover220 » 29 Jul 2020, 17:33

Some puma 40 had the smaller drive wheel package, 3.00-8 will not fit properly in those rims if that's the case. Post a pic of what you have.
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Re: Puma 40 PowerChair

Postby shirley_hkg » 30 Jul 2020, 02:24

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Re: Puma 40 PowerChair

Postby shirley_hkg » 30 Jul 2020, 04:08

hotwheels_75 wrote:I tried to mount a solid 3.00 x 8 tire on the rim and there was no chance. There was at least a quarter inch gap between the rim halves



That's the way it works. Solid tyres need to be compressed to create enough friction against slipping .


viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8894&p=138906&hilit=Longer+bolts#p138906
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Re: Puma 40 PowerChair

Postby rover220 » 30 Jul 2020, 06:55

shirley_hkg wrote:https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ebayimg.com%2Fimages%2Fg%2F~eQAAOSwMhVcG2fN%2Fs-l400.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fitm%2Fsunrise-medical-puma-40-wheelchair-Parts-Drive-Wheel-And-Tire-%2F132894263905&tbnid=FWqZjAQHmk8TrM&vet=1&docid=FsWmDr9DSCVGrM&w=300&h=400&itg=1&q=puma%2040%20wheelchair&hl=zh-HK&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim


thats the larger wheel, there was a smaller one available which will not accept a 3.00-8 solid tyre.
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Re: Puma 40 PowerChair

Postby Burgerman » 30 Jul 2020, 10:42

What is the fixation they have is narrow rims or narrower still tyres. As it is, a 300 x 8 is like a styletto heel on soft ground. And a heavy user on a 180kg or so powerchair already exceeds the tyres load rating and so its overloaded. They keep on making worse stuff... :argument
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Re: Puma 40 PowerChair

Postby hotwheels_75 » 02 Aug 2020, 22:55

Finally got some pictures of the tires.

Not sure why they’re sized that way 12 1/2 x 2 1/4 Is outside diameter x width. It’s an 8” rim.

Second pic has the standard 3.00 x 8” tire next to it.

Not sure why the pics are rotating. They’re upright when I select them.
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Re: Puma 40 PowerChair

Postby Burgerman » 02 Aug 2020, 23:38

They do the same on some narrow sunrise quickie chairs.

2 1/2 x 2 1/2 is just inches. Tall, and wide.

A 3.00 tyre is 3 inches tall and 3 inches wide.

The real problem is that the already narrow rim used for a 3 inch tyre is now even narrower...
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Re: Puma 40 PowerChair

Postby shirley_hkg » 03 Aug 2020, 01:45

Fetch a used pair of rims.
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