Rnet 90A or 120A ?

[expresso]

https://www.cw-industrialgroup.com/Prod ... odules-LCD

this Joystick i was told is 90A - i was always under the impression its 120A - - my 646se with PM 120A has this Joystick and Sunrise order foams show that if using High speed motors - you have to upgrade to Rnet 120A - being so i always believe it was 120A -

would anyone know if its in fact 90A or 120A - i was told by the vendor - coming from sunrise Rep. but keep in mind - same Rep. that also said the newer color Joystick dosnt work on there chairs - so i dont fully believe them - i could be wrong -

how can i know for sure ? and even if it is 90A in the end - worked fine with high speed motors either way -

[rover220]

the joystick is nothing to do with it being either 90 or 120a.

[expresso]

ok thanks - i though that also but wasnt 100% sure after i was told this - i do have Rnet 120A PM for sure -

this is why i dont believe them - they really just dont know and say things without knowing -- even coming from the sunrise rep. i dont believe them - and they been in this industry for 30 years -

[Burgerman]

Remember that 99% of these experts you are dealing with have got absolutely no idea what they are talking about and make everything up as they talk. Clueless doesent begin to cover it. Stop asking them, because they do not know the anwers. But will tell you they do... No natural aptitude, no real interest. No experience. And they been on a day course. Twice in 5 years. They think this makes them experts.

Theres a few, like rover, or a few on this forum, that know. Those are not the ones you are going to find at your local expert supplier/dealer or on the phone to a chair manufacturer. They dont use the ones with any clues to answer the phones.

[rover220]

It's very difficult to find good people in this industry. It is not a career many think of when at school and like me you tend to fall into it.

The difference then is whether they stick around at it and have the natural aptitude to excel, I'd like to think that I do.

It's no great surprise though when the wages are low and it's not glamorous at times.

[Burgerman]

I will give an example of this. My brushless chairs problems. Was quite technical I went through at least 14 experts at invacare each higher up than before over a few weeks before finding someone capable of understanding the issue and the cause. Even then it took a while for it to sink in. He was rather surprized that I did understand what was happeniing...

[rover220]

I will give an example of this. My brushless chairs problems. Was quite technical I went through at least 14 experts at invacare each higher up than before over a few weeks before finding someone capable of understanding the issue and the cause. Even then it took a while for it to sink in. He was rather surprized that I did understand what was happeniing...

I guess you spoke to Brian Davies. That man knows his stuff

[Burgerman]

Possibly. Dont remember his name. But he understood what I was telling him. Finally a man with a brain. It took a few mins but the coin finally dropped. And had to agree that it was faulty by design. And no fix is possible. He aranged to take back the chair and refund.

[expresso]

i wasnt even the one to bring it up the joystick Amps etc, - i asked about the new joystick and was told they dont use it on the chairs because it gave them issues - i was asking about Rnet 120A - in order to get it - i need to get 3 power functions on the chair - but the joystick wont be the new one - same as the one i have now -
then he said thats 90A - i didnt ask about it - then i questioned that - i know i have the 120A PM - so i assumed its 120A - didnt think the Joystick had anything to do with that - but when that was said - i though Oh - maybe i am wrong then - i dont know it all - i do know its required on the high speed motors - -

now turns out joystick has nothing to do with that anyway - its the PM that is in control of everything so if its 120A - then you got 120A - is it possible that the Joystick has to be up to the job also ?

[Burgerman]

Nope. If you use a 120A power module, you can have 120A per channel, with every joystick, and with or without any seating module or functions, and with any motors you want. You were just taking to an industry "expert"... And they make it all up.

I got one here on a chair with no seating functions. It literally just drives the chair. And it has a cheap old LED joystick.

[expresso]

yes thats true - i didnt explain myself correctly - its the insurance that wont pay for it unless its needed for more options on the chair - so if you dont get 3 power options - you will get the cheaper setup thats covered VR2 - and the Rnet would be an upgrade option for $1000 - with the extra power options - then Rnet can be had and paid by insurance

the insurance will say it not needed if the VR2 can do it instead which is No charge - -

[steves1977uk]

expresso, any R-net joystick will work with any R-net PM whether it'd be 60A, 80A, 90A or 120A. Don't listen to your average "tech" guy.

Steve

[Burgerman]

its the insurance that wont pay for it unless its needed for more options on the chair - so if you dont get 3 power options - you will get the cheaper setup thats covered VR2 - and the Rnet would be an upgrade option for $1000 - with the extra power options - then Rnet can be had and paid by insurance
the insurance will say it not needed if the VR2 can do it instead which is No charge - -

One important thing. The olde plastic joysticks, with small screens are too dull/small to see what the hell you are doing with settings/seating etc outdoors. The new one is much brighter, clearer and easier to use and you can see what you choose/select etc. And distance, time, speed, profile as well as seating.

[Burgerman]

This is easier outside. Most high end chairs seem to come with one lately.
If not, I bought 3 for £125 each and one for £150 brand new.

2 which include BT and 2 just Infra red control for TVs, light switches, and many things I have here. BT for mouse etc built in. They pop up in the US for even less if you live there. Rollin Positive found one for under that... 100 dollars from memory. New. And yes, its plug and play. And it has its own programmable features if you wish. Its also a little different to the smaller screen permobil version. And its chassis and case bottom is metal.

[expresso]

yes the smaller screen dosnt work well outdoors - but i have no problem with it really - i have a new joystick here also - the newer one i can swap out - which i will do just to try it and see - i havnt come across any of them on ebay at that cost you posted you paid for yours.

must be a UK thing - not here in the US thats for sure - if you can find me one at that cost - send me a link

i have a spare PM 120 and ISM6 also -

[Burgerman]

Rollin Positive found one for under that... 100 dollars from memory.

I told him he would get one. If patient! US eBay.

[Burgerman]

Note that THESE HERE https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Permobil-R ... SwXoxaUCQ~

Permobil ones, PJSM are quite apart from the ludicrous price are NOT the same as the ones I have. They have a smaller screen, and longer flat bit in front of joystick. And no infra red led in top centre. And wider edges where the blue buttons are next to screen. And only one external switch on the bottom (I think) So be careful which ones you buy. The permobil ones are not as good and harder to see. The ones you want are CJSM2 not the PJSM permobil ones. They will probably work OK but are not as good.

Look at the ones like mine CJSM2 above, then look at the permobil PJSM ones in the link https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Permobil-R ... SwXoxaUCQ~

Different altogether, but not obvious at first.

[loky]

Note that THESE HERE https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Permobil-R ... SwXoxaUCQ~

Permobil ones, quite apart from the ludicrous price are NOT the same as the ones I have. They have a smaller screen, and are made of plastic. So be careful which ones you buy.

Look at the ones like mine above, then look at the permobil ones in the link https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Permobil-R ... SwXoxaUCQ~

Different altogether, but not obvious at first.

The one on my Permobil is made of metal.

[Burgerman]

Yes the bottom half is metal. I edited my post above! Was going by what others had said. Danpayton I think. I dont have one to look at. Mine are all CJSM2. Only have pictures of the Permobil PJSM.

Heres the permobil one below. Its the same overall length. But the flat bit in front of joystick is longer, screen is smaller in both dimensions.Has a thicker bezel and the screen sits deeper. And its not as bright and clear or so I am told. The CJSM2 one is glossy and high quality and kind of flush. And no infra red LED top centre. Also theres no MODE or PROFILE soft rubber buttons below the screen on the permobil one. Its a cheaper cut down version of the CJSM2 built only for permobil. Firmware and software may also be different and possibly no OBP built in? Dont have one so cant say for sure. Only by people comments on here.

[expresso]

Very good to know - i would have missed - i really dont want anything permobil - i though they were the same unit - i didnt even notice the bezel thicker and missing buttons - if i find one - i want it NEW and Generic - made for Sunrise chairs - the ADs on ebay all say its for this chair and that chair also etc, etc.

but if you question it more with the seller - you find out its a permobil unit -

[Burgerman]

Well thats why I posted a heads up!
The one you want is the CJSM2.

It MAY still have a quickie, permobil, or other start up logo though. Which we cant change. SOME if bought direct from PG can have just the R-net logo. So I am told.

[expresso]

Thanks I know and see it on eBay most all pcjm

[Burgerman]

Thats because permobils are popular in the US. Here on eBay, they are usually generic CJSM2 mostly. Some with BT and some without. All do infra red. Even CJSM2 on permobils I think...

[expresso]

to use the Bluetooth option you would still need an extra part that gets connected in the mix for the Joystick to work Bluetooth

finding one here Generic can be found - very very few though - but the cost is high - even with the Permobil with so many on ebay - i have to check UK ebay ?

[Burgerman]

No BT module needed with the CJSM2 BT. As its built in. But most dont have BT theres 2 models.
CJSM2
CJSM2BT

I have 3 without, and 1 with BT. Not that I use it...

3 months ago, you could have got one from elryco, eBay, Rover, and tom. And the sale bit on this forum. There were lots of them floating around all new. Source unknown. Thats why I ended up with a bunch of them. You wait years and then loads turn up all at once! Like busses.These seem to have dried up for the moment. Be patient. Wait, watch and ask, and listen... There will be more sooner or later. Then you gotta be quick.

[Burgerman]

The only one I see right now is way too expensive. In germany. Non BT. Maybe he will accept a silly offer... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bedienteil-S ... SwYThc6nlR

Note that these normally come with a cable plugged in already. This one has been removed. So you will need to find a 90 degree joystick cable... So he is taking the P...

[expresso]

i see - have to look at those specs model number - would you know the name for that cable going from the PM120 Main power ? when i search i get the other rnet cables - i like to purchase one made done that i can just use - if i can find one

[expresso]

havnt a clue what that costs in US dollars or if they even ship to the US -

[Burgerman]

Well its likely too expensive anyway. So dont worry about that one.

Heres something I just bought...
Total was 33 Euros, delivered by fast carrier. Thats around 28 UK pounds, or 34 dollars? These are usually expensive. I already have a spare knob.

Why? I dont need it. But it was cheap. So someone might. And it might be easier to make a RC interface that connects to R-Net with this. Not having much luck with the IOM module.

[expresso]

what did you buy ?