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Re: Bounder 300, Bounder 450, 120A R-Net free option

Postby Burgerman » 23 Feb 2021, 09:57

Can anyone (John) tell me the dimensions of the R-net 120A PM? Also, the ISM-L?


Cant measure. Stuck on bed. But for visual reference:

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Re: Bounder 300, Bounder 450, 120A R-Net free option

Postby Burgerman » 23 Feb 2021, 09:59

To compare to a joystick! Quite small.
If you add 1 more bus cable, (like the black/yellow one on the right), then this is a complete R-Net 120A system. With seating and lighting actuator. And seating loom.

This is everything you need for a chair with lights, and power legs, recline, tilt, lift, etc.

Just add batt connector and motors, and those simply plug in...

Not exactly complicated is it. :shh: Dont tell the experts!
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Re: Bounder 300, Bounder 450, 120A R-Net free option

Postby Fusiongoat » 23 Feb 2021, 21:43

This is perfect. Thanks :dance
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Re: Bounder 300, Bounder 450, 120A R-Net free option

Postby Fusiongoat » 12 Mar 2021, 06:39

Well, after some delay I finally got the chair today and... it's back at Numotion so they can move the aftermarket back rearward a bit. It's 28" wide with off road tires, but strangely enough the fenders appear to stick out the farthest. They are not like expresso's fenders, rather they are directly above the tires more like a Quickie S-636, but appear to be metal and are wider. I got the CJSM2 so that's also nice. Anyway, I will post pictures when they return it to me.
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Re: Bounder 300, Bounder 450, 120A R-Net free option

Postby Burgerman » 12 Mar 2021, 12:36

Well, after some delay I finally got the chair today and... it's back at Numotion so they can move the aftermarket back rearward a bit. It's 28" wide with off road tires, but strangely enough the fenders appear to stick out the farthest.


Seat depth, back position and depth, CG position, footplate position, headrest position height, angle, depth, seat width and arm rest width, seat depth, and position, as well as joystick position, suspension settings, seating dump base angle, tyre pressures and a couple of hours and finally geting programming correct is and should be something they do ON DELIVERY as a matter of course with every chair.

It will always take a morning or an afternoon depending on what is required. Unless all of these things are corrected and configured properly for every user then any new chair will always feel and be horrible to use for the whole time you have the chair. This of course seldom happens. But theres really no reason to return a chair just for a aftermarket back to be fitted properly or adjusted in position. Its a 10 minute job!
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Re: Bounder 300, Bounder 450, 120A R-Net free option

Postby Burgerman » 12 Mar 2021, 12:37

Mudguard? :hammer
Can be moved, adjusted, cut narrower or whatever.
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Re: Bounder 300, Bounder 450, 120A R-Net free option

Postby expresso » 12 Mar 2021, 14:42

very good - funny i am going to pick my new chair today also - they do all the fitting etc, when you pick up a chair - but its just basic stuff

if things have to be moved or readjusted - taken apart - most likely wont get done on the spot - i usually call in for a repair adjustment when i get my chair at home - and have the tech come to my home to make the changes as i need -

they want you to just sign off on the chair - so they can get paid - well i am off to see the wizard in a few - :)
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Re: Bounder 300, Bounder 450, 120A R-Net free option

Postby Fusiongoat » 13 Mar 2021, 08:22

Burgerman wrote:
Well, after some delay I finally got the chair today and... it's back at Numotion so they can move the aftermarket back rearward a bit. It's 28" wide with off road tires, but strangely enough the fenders appear to stick out the farthest.


Seat depth, back position and depth, CG position, footplate position, headrest position height, angle, depth, seat width and arm rest width, seat depth, and position, as well as joystick position, suspension settings, seating dump base angle, tyre pressures and a couple of hours and finally geting programming correct is and should be something they do ON DELIVERY as a matter of course with every chair.

It will always take a morning or an afternoon depending on what is required. Unless all of these things are corrected and configured properly for every user then any new chair will always feel and be horrible to use for the whole time you have the chair. This of course seldom happens. But theres really no reason to return a chair just for a aftermarket back to be fitted properly or adjusted in position. Its a 10 minute job!


I know, but he claimed he needed some tool to move the canes or something and otherwise I'd have less time for other adjustments. Programming I'll do myself since he only has dealer level anyway.
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Re: Bounder 300, Bounder 450, 120A R-Net free option

Postby Fusiongoat » 13 Mar 2021, 08:32

Burgerman wrote:Mudguard? :hammer
Can be moved, adjusted, cut narrower or whatever.

Yeah, but may be made out of steel so more work than normal. It might be aluminum, but didn't look like it. Also, I think they are welded to the chair so will have to amputate the outer edge rather than moving them.
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Re: Bounder 300, Bounder 450, 120A R-Net free option

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Re: Bounder 300, Bounder 450, 120A R-Net free option

Postby expresso » 13 Mar 2021, 17:23

the bounders are steel and welded all over - its not just a simple screw and move - the canes are welded - if they need to move - they have to unweld it -

its build like a thank - very good - a little too heavy but comes in handy also - wheel shake - if it happens on a bounder - you may not even feel it -or if its bad you may feel it but it dosnt rattle the whole chair and bring you to a stand still to make it go away -

since i moved my casters - i hardly never get it now unless i go super fast on hills etc, it depends -

curious to know how the bounder feels with Rnet -
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Re: Bounder 300, Bounder 450, 120A R-Net free option

Postby Fusiongoat » 13 Mar 2021, 22:45

Burgerman wrote:
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Cool, thanks. May take to a bike shop or auto place first. I'm getting my first Covid shot next week.
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Re: Bounder 300, Bounder 450, 120A R-Net free option

Postby Fusiongoat » 13 Mar 2021, 23:17

expresso wrote:the bounders are steel and welded all over - its not just a simple screw and move - the canes are welded - if they need to move - they have to unweld it -

its build like a thank - very good - a little too heavy but comes in handy also - wheel shake - if it happens on a bounder - you may not even feel it -or if its bad you may feel it but it dosnt rattle the whole chair and bring you to a stand still to make it go away -

since i moved my casters - i hardly never get it now unless i go super fast on hills etc, it depends -

curious to know how the bounder feels with Rnet -


Yeah, now I recall he said there's a way to adjust the angle so it sits back a little and I get a little more room. When I demoed the chair it didn't rattle at all. It only goes like 6.5 mph, so that may be the difference. Granted, our sidewalks are not broken like n NYC, but it was fine over gravel and brick. The chair I demoed had the same features as this chair except for dx2 on that one and power foot board and R-net on this one. The demo drove smoothly. Your chair is like a meth addict with UE1 and 11.6 mph motors :P
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Re: Bounder 300, Bounder 450, 120A R-Net free option

Postby expresso » 13 Mar 2021, 23:27

i agree - if slower it wont happen - its the speed that makes it happen

thats great you got the Rnet - for the simple fact that you can adjust it to your liking alot better than i can - i have adjusted to it and dont mind it - i love the speed and i respect what it can do and can not do as good - so i am not surprised any more - i know what i am getting when i use the bounder -

the ride is tough - even when i have half the PSI in my tires - i have to watch out for big cracks or bumps in the road - but for the most part i have it balanced out best it can be and works fine - on flat smooth ground - its amazing - nice road feel and fast
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Re: Bounder 300, Bounder 450, 120A R-Net free option

Postby Burgerman » 13 Mar 2021, 23:40

Cool, thanks. May take to a bike shop or auto place first. I'm getting my first Covid shot next week.

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I have that tiny bosch grinder. It goes through thin steel like butter. And isnt loud and scary like AC grinders. Its almost silent till you cut. I could mark it off on on masking tape with a biro. And follow the line mm perfect. A black rattle can would finish it off as new.
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Re: Bounder 300, Bounder 450, 120A R-Net free option

Postby expresso » 25 Mar 2021, 20:27

Nice Congratulations !!!


i am curious how it works with the Rnet over theres - i am ready to go out with the bounder this Sat. sunny here - :thumbup:
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Postby Fusiongoat » 25 Mar 2021, 20:44

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Fenders are steel and drive tires are NANGO Brand. Ever heard of that? They are 145/70-6. Casters are Kenda flat free :|
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Re: Bounder 300, Bounder 450, 120A R-Net free option

Postby Burgerman » 25 Mar 2021, 20:47

Those rear guards. What were they thinking!
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Re: Bounder 300, Bounder 450, 120A R-Net free option

Postby Fusiongoat » 25 Mar 2021, 20:56

[quote="expresso"]Nice Congratulations !!!


i am curious how it works with the Rnet over theres - i am ready to go out with the bounder this Sat. sunny here - :thumbup:[quote]
I need to play with the settings, but so far the turning speed is crazy fast. I had to send it back to Numotion twice because the back was taking up part of the seat pan. The ATP couldn't do it, but the seating tech got it.
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Re: Bounder 300, Bounder 450, 120A R-Net free option

Postby expresso » 25 Mar 2021, 21:10

did you get lithium pack ? my charger was smaller - for lithium 10A - i dont use it -i use the PL8 direct - hard to see the rear tires -


pretty cool to have rnet now - gives you alot of options to play with - and raise volts :) more speed -
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Re: Bounder 300, Bounder 450, 120A R-Net free option

Postby Fusiongoat » 25 Mar 2021, 21:44

expresso wrote:did you get lithium pack ? my charger was smaller - for lithium 10A - i dont use it -i use the PL8 direct - hard to see the rear tires -


pretty cool to have rnet now - gives you alot of options to play with - and raise volts :) more speed -

I did get lithium. The charger says Power First. Isn't yours also? The charger is put away, but I'll get a close up later. Also, they put way too much air in the tires. They should have 3 psi, but it seems way higher. I'll fix that later too. Right now the joystick says the top speed is 5.8 mpg so...
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Re: Bounder 300, Bounder 450, 120A R-Net free option

Postby Fusiongoat » 25 Mar 2021, 21:54

Tires are Nanco not Nango
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Postby Fusiongoat » 25 Mar 2021, 22:11

I forgot to explain my choice of colors
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Re: Bounder 300, Bounder 450, 120A R-Net free option

Postby expresso » 25 Mar 2021, 22:17

you got the off road tires ? in the rear - with Air - and solid in the front ?

mines arrived full hard as rock and i have air all around - had to lower it half at least


my charger is not the same - take a good pic of it when you can - i like to see


you can check in the programming if its full speed or 80% full
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Re: Bounder 300, Bounder 450, 120A R-Net free option

Postby expresso » 25 Mar 2021, 22:18

Burgerman wrote:Those rear guards. What were they thinking!



you mean the rear fenders ? those are steal - strong - and are needed - if you want to stay clean when using it -
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Re: Bounder 300, Bounder 450, 120A R-Net free option

Postby Burgerman » 25 Mar 2021, 23:39

But 2 inches wider than the tyres makin the chair wider than needed.
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Re: Bounder 300, Bounder 450, 120A R-Net free option

Postby expresso » 25 Mar 2021, 23:50

it may look that way in that picture - but its not really 2 inches wider - i say 1/2 at most - - its higher more than wider

also if you using larger ATV tires - then it would be thinner
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Re: Bounder 300, Bounder 450, 120A R-Net free option

Postby Burgerman » 26 Mar 2021, 00:46

The issue is that they should be narrower than the tyres so they dont damage and get damaged on walls, beds, door frames etc.
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Re: Bounder 300, Bounder 450, 120A R-Net free option

Postby expresso » 26 Mar 2021, 00:51

they wont and dont stick out that much as it seems in the pic - they wont hit walls or doors etc, - if you get that close - then your arm or body will hit - armrest etc,



its about 1/4 or 1/2 at most - i see it more like 1/4 - on my chair - i dont see why it would be any different on any other bounder - - wider tires ATV etc, would stick out more - the tire - past the fender - i have the standard size tires - not ATV -
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