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WAV electric ramps

Postby Alton » 25 Sep 2019, 14:30

Hi,
looking to convert normal bi fold manual ramp to electric lift and drop - any diy experiences or "pro" conversion details please.
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Re: WAV electric ramps

Postby greybeard » 25 Sep 2019, 16:23

As another Kangoo owner, I too will be interested in answers in this thread. I would also like to hear suggestions about automating the up and over tailgate door.
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Re: WAV electric ramps

Postby Raigedas » 15 May 2020, 09:44

i am also thinking about DIY power ramp. my motivations: 1. i want side entry. 2. i do not have money and/or choise to buy already adapted WAV or pay huge amount for the conversion.
my ideas:
* buy a simple mechanical ramp (100-200eur) and attach it to the floor with hinges. there are foldable by half ones like in Braunability conversions, but the folding is adds additional complexity which i plan to avoid - i will just use stright full length ramp. the length will be same as door entrance height (>130cm) and that should be enough for a wan with air suspension which is able to lower to ground).
* buy a cheep servo from ebay. i can see there are 380kg*cm one for 40USD. this servo is quite powerful but still not powerful enough to raise the ramp (it needs to be ~7 times more powerful to raise 13kg ramp) if attached directly. i still need some additional gearbox or something. maybe a cable on a spool would work. still working on that.
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Postby Raigedas » 15 May 2020, 09:46

@greybeard : tailgate case is relatively simple - i have a linear actuator attached to the tailgate.
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Re: WAV electric ramps

Postby Burgerman » 15 May 2020, 10:05

If you do that to any of the minivans, and some full sized vans, or the Kangoo you have a huge problem. They have a 10 inch or greater floor drop. To give headroom, and to allow you to fit under the steering wheel etc. Its not just a ramp bolted to a van. Not to mention it would need to be enormously long as theres no 10 inch drop, and theres no lowering suspension.

This fiat is easier to just bolt on a ramp than a Kangoo. And even here with no lowered floor internally, the ramp is far too steep, and far too long. And it requires a substantial roof height modification. Again around 10 inches taller. Then you need a helper as the ramp is dangerously long and steep without.

Anything is possible. But some things are not very reliable, or practical.

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Re: WAV electric ramps

Postby Raigedas » 15 May 2020, 11:05

@Burgerman : i fully agree with you that safety and reliability are maybe the most important criteria for a WAV. especialy if we are talking about disabled person person driving the WAV himself and alone.

i do not know anything about Kangoo, but let me elaborate about my case. the car i mentioned and i am intending to buy (Chrysler Town and Country) has air suspension and is able to get quite low to the ground. the car is actually a WAV, but it was adapted for manual wheelchairs. we tried to lift me with my electric wheelchair but the existing elevator was not able move me at all. i just saw maximum possible straight ramp length, the floor height from ground (unfortunately i did not measure it) and though that it may be doable without too much engineering.
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Postby Burgerman » 15 May 2020, 12:03

So already has a lowered floor. You could just buy the correct motorised ramp from the likes of braun or rollx?

Designed for the job.

Mine... http://www.wheelchairdriver.com/gopro/ramp.mp4
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Postby Raigedas » 15 May 2020, 12:57

i agree with you again - best way forward would be to buy an existing power ramp instead of reinventing the wheel. my problem is that i can not find to buy any used one. here in my country (Lithuania) we have used "full size" huge Ricon elevators intended to be mounted at the rear of the car and they are affordable - from as low as 100eur to 300eur of a very good condition. but i have never seen those Brownability-like power ramps to buy here (even though i have various advertisement subscriptions in that area for years). and i am having hard time finding that even in general in google. i can see ads of cars with such ramps, but not those used ramps only. maybe i don't know how to search. do you have any suggestions? would be very grateful.
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Postby Burgerman » 15 May 2020, 22:30

You wont find them used. They are made by companies that also modify the vehicles such as braunmobility or Rollx. They will supply parts, if your ramp wears out. The old vehicles dont have them "removed" as they are no good without them. They are matched to the lowered floors and wiring loom etc. https://www.rollxvans.com/ is where mine came from. They will supply parts.
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Re: WAV electric ramps

Postby Raigedas » 16 May 2020, 10:01

And of course no company will sell and install this ramp for 500eur or even for 1000eur for me in Lithuania :(
so in my case it makes sense to think about DIY...
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Re: WAV electric ramps

Postby Burgerman » 16 May 2020, 10:26

They will SELL you the parts. And ship them. You get any local bodyshop or decent mechanic to retro fit them. If theres no-one capable in your country which I frankly doubt, you are screwed. But I am sure there are many companies that will do this for you. Quick search, first one https://agrija.lt/en/auto-body-repair-and-painting/

Doing this as DIY will be very hard if its to be any good/reliable.
If you plan to do DIY regardless, try and buy a used Ricon Clearway Lift. At least that will be simple to fit and reliable.

Or a ricon folding lift. Less sutable, but also easy bolt on fit!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAOLfuLu1J4

https://www.riconcorp.com/products_pers ... bility.asp look at these. Then search eBay.
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