Age Compulsory Education

[martin007]

Is there a compulsory education age in your country?
In Spain it is mandatory to be studying until the age of 16.




P.S. I'll tell you something later...

[LROBBINS]

Italy the same as Spain.

[Burgerman]

16. Education? Its more about making marxist, global warming, woke self entitled clones. They have zero useful skills, and are pretty much unemployable. Cant or wont drive a sweeping brush. All that stuff is below them.

[martin007]

16. Education? Its more about making marxist, global warming, woke self entitled clones. They have zero useful skills, and are pretty much unemployable. Cant or wont drive a sweeping brush. All that stuff is below them.

You're going in the right direction.

[martin007]

A couple of days ago they launched a probe balloon in Spain.
The globalist socialists (99.9% of politicians in spain) want to raise the compulsory school age to 18.
In this way 2 things would happen:
1- Fewer young people are looking for a job.
2- We need to hire more teachers.

It's getting very dark.
Fortunately, globalism and the European Union will soon disappear.
Today the French have blocked and several trucks with Spanish goods at the border.
The fruit, vegetables and wine finished on the floor.
The French police did not act.

> https://www.lavanguardia.com/economia/2 ... tml#foto-4

[Burgerman]

EU. A reincarnation of protectionism, socialist ideals, open borders, woke nonsense, global warming CO2 nonsense, and all the mass of rules, regulations that this entails. Loss of freedom of everything, and almost a direct copy of the same old socialist economics that bankrupted and starved much of the world for most of the last century. What could go wrong?

Of course the EU fill fail/collapse. Why would anyone want the above, ordered by an UNELECTED cabal of left wing socialist control freaks? It will not end well. We are out (officially) although still have many polititions fighting this at every opportunity. Others will follow. The EU had better return to what it was sold as. A trading block. NOT a political union that nobody wanted or voted for or it will die.

[martin007]

Today it is not even a trading bloc.
It's just a scam.

[Burgerman]

It was sold as a trading block. And thats a GOOD thing. But the reality all along was a political controlling union. Run by unnelected group of people with left wing ideals in brussels that think they are some superpower. And every EU country has to do as its told or the punish you! As the population wake up to this they will reject it as in the UK.

[slomobile]

US education is compulsory till age 18.
This week my son will be receiving the traditional US elementary school "puberty" education. It happens one day in 5th grade, around age 10. Girls are separated into one room and boys in another. They are shown one of these videos, then given a chance to write anonymous questions that 'may' be answered by school nurse, administrator, or teacher at their discretion.

girls
https://youtu.be/0RrXAhtObBI

boys
https://youtu.be/2XF0awGRTWs

This may not be the type of education you were thinking of. I went through it 30 something years ago. I cannot remember what question I asked, but they didn't answer it. Which was confusing because they prefaced the whole thing saying after the video we could ask anything. I didn't know if my question was something everyone should already know, or if I asked something terrible which I should be ashamed of. Religion also did a pretty good job of shaming sex questions, despite having several sex rules.
"Whats fornication?" "Its bad, don't do it." "Am I doing it now?" "Probably."

I'm not sure how far back the tradition goes. As a boy, we had no idea what the girls were being told about (menstruation). Then at recess that day, when a few of the girls told us about it, we did not believe it. Sounded like a completely unbelievable horror story.
Wait, what? They told you, you will have blood just coming out of you a few days every month? No friggin way, you would die! They must be lying to you. Is it April fools day?
Then one kid tells us what his brother told him about sex. Wait, you put what where now? Gross!

[Burgerman]

Religion did a pretty good jo of dying out in the UK fortunately. I honestly didnt know anyone that was religious at school and I am now 63. And I pretty much still dont. The native polulation of the UK is almost all sane and rational instead. If you ask, around 40% of people - espeially old - they will say they are christians. But they will also tell you if you ask that they dont believe a word of it and never went to church in their lives. Its like a kind of hard to lose echo! They say it because they were told thats what they are and are used to it. If someone actually is a believer they seem to keep it extremely quiet so the rest of us dont think they are fruit cakes or something.


When I was in the US I was frankly amazed how serious people took religion. And how many did. At school we were given RE or religious education. We were taught about many different religions. But we were not expected to believe any of it. Nobody was sent to church or branwashed. I mean its all nonsense to any rational being surely. Now that we have half of the middle east and africa moved into what was once our capital, and a couple of other big cities, theres lots of religous nonsense happening over again including all the violence and bullshit and brainwashing and intolerance that goes with it. Especially from muslims.

Theres lots of churches in the UK. Most are abandoned, some turned into houses, pubs, post offices etc. A few like the one in my own town centre clings on with a tiny congregation of the bewildered, the old, but manages to keep doors open just by running it as an art galery, a resturant, etc. Hires it out for special events.

Goes back to the very early 11th century. Some 350 years before we found america.
In those days people believed all that nonsense so built such places regardless of cost whilst being unable to feed themselves. Makes no sense to me.

[martin007]

US education is compulsory till age 18.

Are you 100% sure?

[Burgerman]

States and territories with a minimum dropout age of 19

Texas

States and territories with a minimum dropout age of 18

American Samoa
Arkansas
California
Connecticut
Hawaii
Idaho
Indiana
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Maryland
Michigan
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Mexico
Ohio
Oklahoma
Oregon
Puerto Rico
Rhode Island
South Dakota
Tennessee
Utah
Virginia
Washington
Washington, D.C.
Wisconsin

States and territories with a minimum dropout age of 17

Alabama
Colorado
Illinois
Maine
Minnesota
Mississippi
Missouri
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
West Virginia

States and territories with a minimum dropout age of 16

Alaska
Arizona
Delaware
Florida
Georgia
Iowa
Massachusetts
Montana
New Jersey
New York
North Carolina
North Dakota
Vermont
Virgin Islands
Wyoming

[Burgerman]

This stuff infantilises them until they are way ast the age that they should be already grown up.

[martin007]

OK.
Only in some states.

[slomobile]

I'm only familiar with Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Tennessee, but I'm pretty sure that if a student under 18 wants to drop out of school in any state, they need permission of parents or gaurdians to do so. The listed ages are(I think) when parents are allowed to give that permission. So it is technically possible, but not very likely. Every state must make education available till grade 12 at least. Age 18-19.
Some parents demand the right to educate their own children rather than the state. They have won lawsuits to get that right, mostly using a religious freedom argument. They must still follow state mandated curriculum, though that is not highly enforced. Testing to state minimum standards IS enforced. If a family is reported by anyone for not educating their children, an investigation happens. If that is found to be true, the state may jail the parents, take custody of the children, and enroll them in public school till age 18. The age BM listed above for various states are (I think) the age where the parents would no longer be prosecuted for failing to educate their children.
In general home school parents are nut jobs with unsocialized children.

[martin007]

In Spain it is compulsory to study until the age of 16.
After 16 years there is the option to work.

Now politicians want to make it compulsory to study until the age of 18.
The main reasons are 2:
Hire a higher number of teachers...
Reduce the number of people out of work...
These are just political reasons.

The politicians are destroying the country.

[martin007]

Last year the children started school from the age of 0 months.
The school has only the name...
The government has hired a lot of teachers to clean snot and change diapers.
Now the nurses' union is calling for a state-contracted nurse in every school.
Politicians make up laws every day to justify hiring people who are not needed.
People have gone crazy.
What people are proposing is communism that didn't work in the USSR.

At the same time, there are thousands of jobs that no one is filling.
There is now a waiting list to repair broken pipes.
There is a waiting list to repair a car.

There are more and more paychecks for slackers
People who work hard are paying more and more taxes.
Someone stop this!

[Burgerman]

You cant. Its socialism in action. Ever more government control and regulations. Ever more wealth re-distribution towards the least productive and to pay for state or government agencies. The result of ever increasing government and wealth redistribution, even without the waste caused by the net zero bullshit always results in a slow spiral of ever lower living standards, ever more crime, ever less innovtion and production. It works without fail every time.But they never seem to learn.

[slomobile]

[quote="martin007"
Now the nurses' union is calling for a state-contracted nurse in every school.
Politicians make up laws every day to justify hiring people who are not needed.
People have gone crazy.
What people are proposing is communism that didn't work in the USSR[/quote]
https://www.childtrends.org/publication ... for-nurses

A teacher saved my son's life in 2018 when he aspirated an orange. She recognized he was choking and immediately gave the Heimlich to dislodge some of it. The remaining 2 wedges did not come out till 30 minutes later with the aide of the school nurse and EMS. He has a restricted and scarred airway. The nurse knew and instructed the teacher what to watch for and how to handle it. The teacher made sure to sit near him during lunch every day. That is how she noticed so quickly.

During Covid, school nurses did an amazing amount of necessary work that teachers were not trained for.

My son's friend is a type 1 brittle diabetic with insulin pump. The nurse regularly checks in.

You can call it whatever you like. Socialism, Communism, whatever. My son needs a school with a nurse. I'm happy to have the state pay her rather than me. Maybe we just do it better here than the USSR. But when we toured the local public school, the nurse was severely overworked and the school was 45 minutes from the nearest hospital. Still not good enough. So I do pay for a private school where the nurse is paid more, has fewer kids, and is 2 minutes from a hospital.

Any time hundreds or thousands of kids come together in one place away from their parents every weekday, I think it is probably a good idea to have at least 1 person dedicated to their health. Maybe that is a luxury but I'd trade 10 administrators for 1 school nurse any day.

[Burgerman]

No problem wit a school nurse. Just not a socialist school system. Or nurse.
The UK is a free market capitalist country with relatively high living standards.

We have a socialist healthcare system. The NHS. As such just like socialist anything, everywhere, it doesent get paid by the user. Its paid by helicopter money. In that the government sprinkles endless quantities of cash in at the top. And they all decide how to best waste it. And you can be ill, walk into any hospital, stay as long as it takes, injury, desease, emergency, and nobody asks you for any money. Its free. No paperwork, no questions, no problem. Or thats how it was in the beginning. But like all socialist systems they find ever more ways to waste money. By making their jobs easier. Takes time, never fails.

While the NHS sounds great, and 40 years back it was, it now doesent work. 20 years ago it was bad. My mate waited on a trolly in a corridoor 18 hours for a dislocated elbwow to be relocated... Now its worse.

a median waiting time for treatment of 14.7 weeks – almost double the pre-COVID median wait of 8 weeks in September 2019. This is for urgent treatments. Less urgent ones can be years.

NHS England recently announced that up to 400,000 patients waiting over 40 weeks will be offered the opportunity to travel to a different hospital to be seen sooner. However, many people may feel unable to travel, particularly with serious ilnesses. The latest figures for September 2023 show:

A record high waiting list of 7.77 million, consisting of approximately 6.5 million individual patients waiting for treatment,

nearly 3.29 million of these patients waiting over 18 weeks;

around 391,000 of these patients waiting over a year for treatment with no support network.

There are 10% of the entire country waiting for an apointment for treatment of practically everything. You cant call and speak to a doctor or get an apointment in any kind of sensible time frame. Sometimes months.
Why is that?

Recently my carer stayed at the roadside with a woman who had fell from a bike in the ice, and broken her hip. She was old, freezing to death laid on ice in the middle of a traffic junction. The ambulance was called, and he was told that it would be between 8 and 12 hours.
Why was that? ALL the ambulances were qued outside the hospital awaiting a bed. One in, one out. So we called her son. He used a van as an ambulance and she was picked up screaming on a sheet and loaded in.
When she got to the hospital, she was told that she had to wait in a work van, on a sheet until the line of ambulances got to the front. Why was this? No beds. One in, one out... She waited 7 hours. All the drivers were playing games on their phones.

Why does this happen? Our socialist NHS was once very good. But like all socialist derived systems, it just kept on getting ever more wasteful. Ever less efficient. Ever more added "layers" of management all aimed ar making the layer aboves job easier... Ever more groups of staff running around together holding each others hands. In todays wards the nurses will no longer clean, or turn a patient, as they have employed another layer of staff to do that work for them. They sit at the nurses station giggling and talking while patient shout or ring alarms. The wards are dirty. In a ward I visited twice in 2 days the toilet was covered in blood. It was still that way fter 48 hours. I did inform them, not their job...

This is all worse year on year until it ends up with millions of bosses, secretaries, under managers, under under managers, woke diversity managers and a team of hangers on, etc. The reason is imple. Its the same reason I cant get a doctors apointment. My practice has a wall of cheap low skilled staff that work as a method of stopping you from accessing a doctor. They try to send you home and wait for a call that may or manot happen.

The doctors go into this practice 1 or 2 half days a week. They are on a golfcourse or at home. They get the same helicopter money regardless of how hapy the patients are. No incentive to work hard. Or to please you. Big incentive to employ as many people as possible to do their job for them. This is the result of socialist big government every time. It costs the UK 20.5% of the entire gross national income indirectly in taxes. And there are lots of people that have been waiting up to 8 years for treatment. It just gets worse over time.

It took 30 or more years to get this bad. But this is typical of any socialist system. Look at the once proud modern oil rich venuzuala. The once richest country in south america. They voted in a socialist. At that time I said to my carer I give it 20 years before the economy would collapse. It took them 16. And they had terrible areas where hospitals had no doors, no drugs, no power, no water, no sheets and no doctors. They had some food, but wheelbarrows of noney couldnt buy it with inflation at millions of percent. Socialism. Looks like a great idea. But its evil.

[martin007]

What is the average number of students per school in your area?


The U.S.A. and the E.U. sustain their public spending with money helicopter.
The money helicopter isn't viable in the long term...
The money helicopter only brings ruin and misery.

[Burgerman]

Per school? Or per class? Maybe 250 per year. Maybe 30 per class. Maybe 7 years, so 7x 250?

All schools are different though.

[martin007]

Per school? Or per class? Maybe 250 per year. Maybe 30 per class. Maybe 7 years, so 7x 250?

All schools are different though.

Per school.
Exclude private schools.
One school, one nurse.

[Burgerman]

3k? Depends if you include a 6th form.

Some schools half that.

[martin007]

The school closest to my house has less than 100 students...

[Burgerman]

Well there are the odd small school, usually in the countryside.

This school is where my ex girlfreind works.
Its quite small. Its a secondary school but also a levels etc. Its basically an engineering school.
Have a good look around this site. https://www.lincolnutc.co.uk/

This is in the next town. 25 miles away. They do all sorts of engineering based learning. Lots of projects. They specialize in electronics, physics, computer programming, mechanical engineering and material sciences. Because this town has lots of engineering based employment. Like ruston gas turbines for e.g.

[martin007]

You've forgotten a couple of things.
High absenteeism at work.
High rate of sick leave due to fake depression.

[Burgerman]

Less than 100 isnt a school. Its 2 to 3 rooms. 3 teachers!

My old school, was 900 boys, 900 girls and you could leave at 16. And a 6th form as well. So about 2000 total?
They knocked it down. Then rebuilt it. Renamed it an "academy". Now it has just 880 students. Thats now a medium sized school here.

[martin007]

Less than 100 isnt a school. Its 2 to 3 rooms. 3 teachers!

My old school, was 900 boys, 900 girls and you could leave at 16. And a 6th form as well. So about 2000 total?
They knocked it down. Then rebuilt it. Renamed it an "academy". Now it has just 880 students. Thats now a medium sized school here.

There you have the reason why I claim that they want to hire a nurse in every school to employ people.
Spain is like a motorcycle with a hole in the tank...
Fortunately, the socialist economic systems of the EU. and the U.S.A. is starting to blow up...

[slomobile]

My 6th grade class was 6 students in a shared room with 7 5th graders. Rural Wisconsin, 3 miles from home. I biked to school or took a bus. Junior High School grade 6-8 was about 500 kids, suburb of city 25 miles from home, 45 minute bus ride. One of 2 main High Schools in medium sized city grade 9-12 over 3000 kids about 32 miles from home, 2.5 hour bus ride each way.

Current location https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memphis-S ... ty_Schools
You may have heard of Shelby County before. We are a bit (in)famous.
https://www.law.georgetown.edu/mcrp-jou ... by-county/