BREXIT

If you want to say something that doesent fit anywhere else!
MAIN WEBSITE: http://www.wheelchairdriver.com

Re: BREXIT

Postby F3Head » 08 Jan 2017, 22:07

So..since this is related, how do you expect the UK Supreme Court
to vote in regards to forcing the brexit vote? Will they force this issue into the hands
of the British Parliament and the MPs? If so, how do you expect the vote to turn out?
Do you think they will uphold the will of the majority of voters who voted for brexit?

I'm sure MPs are hoping not to have to take that vote one way or the other!
Nothing like holding people accountable? If I have my facts wrong…
Please don't hesitate to enlighten me.

Just curious, F3HEAD
F3Head
 
Posts: 74
Joined: 11 Aug 2015, 21:52

Re: BREXIT

Postby Burgerman » 08 Jan 2017, 23:18

Seems to me that its pretty clear. The government used our money to send out remain propaganda and it says in that leaflet that out means:
- out of the EU.
- out of the single market.

There's nothing to discuss. When I leave say a golf club, due to the fact that my family dont like the rules or the way itsd run, or the cost. I don't sit around for two years discussing how I leave. And trying to keep access to the bar, some holes... I go home. And never go back.

There's Hard Brexit. Which means out, completely. That one should really be called Brexit. Thats what we voted for
And then theres the re-moaners (the government, most of the MPs,with their leftist liberal bull) who have invented 'Soft Brexit' because they don't really want to leave the golf club but sort of have to. But keep access to the bar, the greens, the holes, the car park etc. And that wont work for me. Or most of those that want out.

So really we have Brexit. Go home shut door.
And we have partial Brexit...

And thats NOT what we voted for... And the idea that we have parliament discussing it is a waste of time. And frankly embarrassing. Most of those idiots couldn't run a business or do a good deal to save their lives. They need to get out ASAP. THEN talk to the various countries to arrange deals other than WTO ones if they wish. So they can continue to sell us their exports at low or zero tariffs and trust me, they will! Or they will suffer more than we do.
User avatar
Burgerman
Site Admin
 
Posts: 34963
Joined: 27 May 2008, 21:24
Location: United Kingdom

Re: BREXIT

Postby Burgerman » 08 Jan 2017, 23:25

So..since this is related, how do you expect the UK Supreme Court
to vote in regards to forcing the brexit vote?


50/50...

Will they force this issue into the hands
of the British Parliament and the MPs? If so, how do you expect the vote to turn out?


To leave. I spoke to my Mem parliment a few days ago. She is a typical liberal/labour type, loves immigrants, pro EU, and wastes as much money on lost causes as possible. She hates Brexit. She told me that she was going to vote leave. Because this town are very 'leave' about 74%. She has been spoken to by rather a lot of people every day that have told her in no uncertain terms that she better do what the people of this town voted for... So I expect this will be country wide.


Do you think they will uphold the will of the majority of voters who voted for brexit?


They better or come next election they will be out on their ear. Every town like this one will replace their MP with a better one!
User avatar
Burgerman
Site Admin
 
Posts: 34963
Joined: 27 May 2008, 21:24
Location: United Kingdom

Re: BREXIT

Postby Sully » 09 Jan 2017, 15:48

Didn't you learn anything about Polls from our (USA) elections? Polls are bullshit. The're fiction.

I agree that the European's are pissed off about the immigrants and especially the muslim's who carry their criminal philosophies with them. "I" get that! But do you really thing excluding them from your Nation, or any Nation, will solve the overall problem that exists. The problem will not evaporate into the atmosphere. Solve it!
Sully
 
Posts: 2150
Joined: 04 Dec 2010, 18:44
Location: Hampstead, North Carolina, USA

Re: BREXIT

Postby Burgerman » 09 Jan 2017, 16:07

No new ones, send the immigrants back where they came from and shut down mosques, and force the ones here to be educated, speak english, mix, dress and behave in the same way the rest of us do. No special treatment, no worrying about upsetting them...

Thats the best we can do now. With that problem. But the whole political class, media, elites, are not in touch with the people. They don't want open borders, and their town looking like a 3rd world country. They dont want every country to be a grey mix of every culture and their own identity and differences lost. Or huge superstate of ever expanding Europe with a liberal and non elected government of dictators. We were told we do... But we don't! They are still trying to figure that out... The people have had enough. Those in charge haven't seen this yet!
User avatar
Burgerman
Site Admin
 
Posts: 34963
Joined: 27 May 2008, 21:24
Location: United Kingdom

Re: BREXIT

Postby Sully » 09 Jan 2017, 16:49

Sure the old cultures of Europe are somewhat unique, and as such should be preservable. But when looking back those cultures were an amalgam of the combined cultures of previous immigrants. Do you want to wipe all this out as well?

Every migration since man has existed sought a better personal situation for the migrants. The bad features of these migrants, eventually sift out, and the mostly good survive. Too bad this is a very slow process.

I am guessing here; but "I" think most, if not all, of these people who have migrated would express their desire to happily return to their place of origin if the conditions they tried to escape were fixed. Just how many objectionable events attributed to these immigrants have "YOU" personally witnessed? How many of these events are fiction or are greatly exaggerated? We all too often hear about Police arrests, which if we could follow those events are dismissed from being prosecuted because they are truly non-events. With these non-events comes the anticipation of gloom and doom in our communities.

None of what I have spoken makes the front page or home page they are relegated to down below, This is NOT spectacular is mostly ignored, and it WILL NOT raise your blood pressure and get a raise out of you.
Sully
 
Posts: 2150
Joined: 04 Dec 2010, 18:44
Location: Hampstead, North Carolina, USA

Re: BREXIT

Postby Burgerman » 09 Jan 2017, 17:02

I am guessing here; but "I" think most, if not all, of these people who have migrated would express their desire to happily return to their place of origin if the conditions they tried to escape were fixed.


Errr... Most of these 'refugees' are fighting age men. Theres almost no children, women, old or disabled. They come, and want to be given new houses, fancy clothes etc. Many are burning their houses or places they are given because they want somewhere fancy. And same with clothes etc. They come to take and get what they can, from a backward culture that doesn't 'fit' with western values. And yes I have seen it with my own eyes. The TV pounce on any children they can find to show that most of the refugees are not 20 something men... Its not refugees its an invasion that we are allowing, or asking to happen.

Think of this:

Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Christians = No Problem
Christians living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem

However:
Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
Muslims living with Christians = Problem
Muslims living with Jews = Problem
Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
Muslims living with Baha'is = Problem
Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM

Which leads to this:
They’re not happy in Gaza
They're not happy in Egypt
They're not happy in Libya
They're not happy in Morocco
They're not happy in Iran
They're not happy in Iraq
They're not happy in Yemen
They're not happy in Afghanistan
They're not happy in Pakistan
They're not happy in Syria
They're not happy in Lebanon
They're not happy in Nigeria
They're not happy in Kenya
They're not happy in Sudan
Or any place there is other Muslims that don’t accept death, or Koran's evil rules. Which is why they have been murdering each other for 14 centuries.

So, where are they happy?
They're happy in Australia
They're happy in England
They're happy in Belgium
They're happy in France
They're happy in Italy
They're happy in Germany
They're happy in Sweden
They're happy in the USA & Canada
They're happy in Norway & India
They're happy in every country that is not Islamic!

Who do they blame? Not Islam... Not their leadership... Not themselves...
THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!!
And then they want to change the countries they're happy in, to be like the countries they came from where they were unhappy. With the same structure rules and (sharia religious) laws.

Its a disease that spreads. That wants you dead.
User avatar
Burgerman
Site Admin
 
Posts: 34963
Joined: 27 May 2008, 21:24
Location: United Kingdom

Re: BREXIT

Postby Burgerman » 09 Jan 2017, 19:35

Fortunately, there's hardly any where I live! Its all the others I feel sorry for.
User avatar
Burgerman
Site Admin
 
Posts: 34963
Joined: 27 May 2008, 21:24
Location: United Kingdom

Re: BREXIT

Postby greybeard » 09 Jan 2017, 19:36

I guess it must be difficult for those geographically far removed from the Muslim invasion of Europe to grasp just how much it is disrupting life for the indigenous Europeans. Unsurprisingly, commentators from far away are dubious of such claims. They are, after all, hard to believe. What government would deliberately and systematically flood its own country with those from a culture half a dozen centuries behind that government's own state? Incredible, isn't it?

But that's precisely what has been happening, with no foreseeable end in sight, since that stupid German chancellor, supported by the EU commissars, told the entire population of the Middle East, Africa and huge swathes of Asia, that anyone who made it here could stay.

It is no surprise that we, the unrepresented and overlooked residents of Europe are pissed off. We've heard the endless spurious politically correct outpourings from our politicians and state broadcasters; the apologists for the fake "refugees" and the "child migrants" that turn out to be in their twenties, and wonder why no-one ever asked us whether we wanted this to happen.

We wonder why these young, fighting aged, migrants abandoned their women and children in their strife torn countries and turned up on our shores wearing good quality modern clothing, expensive trainers. And iPhones (naturally).

We wonder why they didn't stay and fight to free their own countries from the oppression that they claimed has made them seek new lives thousands of miles from home.

We see the outcome of their invasion of Sweden that now has the highest rape figures on the planet and riots and cars burned out most nights. We wonder if the ones that make it to our shores will be better behaved.

We wonder why our governments do not take more action to preserve the cultures that we have developed over centuries and which these new arrivals show they are determined to change into something like their own home countries, ruled over by Koran spouting imams.

We see the violence and murder that seems to accompany groups of these young male migrants wherever they go.

Experience has shown us that we are right to be fearful based on what we see reported by main stream and social media.
greybeard
 
Posts: 313
Joined: 28 Aug 2014, 20:15
Location: Dorset, UK

Re: BREXIT

Postby F3Head » 09 Jan 2017, 21:02

Were only in January 2017, but I suspect the EU will have you vote again on this topic once again. It's happened before to Ireland who rejected the Maastricht Treaty ( so many treaties and do overs its hard to keep up with) once before and had to vote again until they got it right. Unfortunately for citizens who voted to leave the EU, they are sadly considered to be "legacy" citizens. In time this opposition will fail by the for wayside. After all, it was a reasonably close vote to begin with. I believe the meeting of the minds will be meeting in Davo's shortly to determine your fate. That is if Germany can be convinced to pay for the whole thing. The best case scenario I for see for the UK will be some sort of middle ground. That way you can suffer with your decision and be made an example for the rest of the EU. The good news is Barack Obama will be available shortly to help you with your decisions. He and the recently reenergized Tony Blair are just waiting in the wings…

F3HEAD
F3Head
 
Posts: 74
Joined: 11 Aug 2015, 21:52

Re: BREXIT

Postby Sully » 09 Jan 2017, 22:29

Greybeard; You make your point concisely and eloquently.
Sully
 
Posts: 2150
Joined: 04 Dec 2010, 18:44
Location: Hampstead, North Carolina, USA

Re: BREXIT

Postby Burgerman » 09 Jan 2017, 22:35

He does. But the EU cant make us do anything. The people voted. And all the elitist liberal lefties and multiculturalist, communistic, superstate lovers STILL cant accept that they are wrong, and the people are the ones with the power. And they do as we ask not the opposite way around. There will be no EU or Euro in a few years anyway.

The best case scenario I for see for the UK will be some sort of middle ground. That way you can suffer with your decision and be made an example for the rest of the EU.


We voted OUT! Not one foot out...
User avatar
Burgerman
Site Admin
 
Posts: 34963
Joined: 27 May 2008, 21:24
Location: United Kingdom

Re: BREXIT

Postby Lord Chatterley » 10 Jan 2017, 10:05

F3Head wrote:Were only in January 2017, but I suspect the EU will have you vote again on this topic once again. It's happened before to Ireland who rejected the Maastricht Treaty ( so many treaties and do overs its hard to keep up with) once before and had to vote again until they got it right. Unfortunately for citizens who voted to leave the EU, they are sadly considered to be "legacy" citizens. In time this opposition will fail by the for wayside. After all, it was a reasonably close vote to begin with. I believe the meeting of the minds will be meeting in Davo's shortly to determine your fate. That is if Germany can be convinced to pay for the whole thing. The best case scenario I for see for the UK will be some sort of middle ground. That way you can suffer with your decision and be made an example for the rest of the EU. The good news is Barack Obama will be available shortly to help you with your decisions. He and the recently reenergized Tony Blair are just waiting in the wings…

F3HEAD


Brits are different.

UK politicians would be committing electoral suicide and they know it because the remain vote is split into three parties whereas Brexit voters would all vote UKIP.
They would earn a landslide.
Plus it is increasingly obvious that the doom and gloom scenario was a lie - the UK has the fastest growing economy in the world and more people support Brexit than ever.
Remain are as discredited as Tony Blair - he can barely show his face in public without triggering mass protests.
It is over for us - let's hope the French deliver the coup de grace.

LC
Lord Chatterley
 
Posts: 2085
Joined: 06 Jan 2010, 13:12

Re: BREXIT

Postby Burgerman » 10 Jan 2017, 10:56

And the german AfD...
And then the dutch!
User avatar
Burgerman
Site Admin
 
Posts: 34963
Joined: 27 May 2008, 21:24
Location: United Kingdom

Re: BREXIT

Postby Lord Chatterley » 10 Jan 2017, 16:30

I hope so!

brexit2.jpg


LC
Lord Chatterley
 
Posts: 2085
Joined: 06 Jan 2010, 13:12

Re: BREXIT

Postby Sully » 10 Jan 2017, 21:02

Unfortunately, for you GB does not have a constitutional democracy. Your so called representatives can literally thumb their nose's at you. Are you going to revolt? Not flipping likely. Sure we have a paper tiger, but you don't have the paper! Your voters have placed and past leadership have you into a position of submission.

You literally have multiple scraps of note paper with some scattered thoughts on how your government is designed. No one, "general blueprint" (a Constitution) from which the legal structure of your Government is built.

Those scraps can be eliminated in a heartbeat, as those the preceded them, and pasted to the roll of history's toilet paper. There is much precedent for this in your History.

It's all going to be very interesting. Good Luck !!!!
Sully
 
Posts: 2150
Joined: 04 Dec 2010, 18:44
Location: Hampstead, North Carolina, USA

Re: BREXIT

Postby Burgerman » 10 Jan 2017, 21:14

So can yours. It can be abandoned or just 'ammended'. So far ours has also stood the test of time, and the US is a newborn. Relatively speaking. Just sort of made up on the spot quite recently. So we will see too. Trump should be interesting too!
User avatar
Burgerman
Site Admin
 
Posts: 34963
Joined: 27 May 2008, 21:24
Location: United Kingdom

Re: BREXIT

Postby Sully » 10 Jan 2017, 22:29

YES I figured in this comment; Amending the Constitution, if you follow the blue print (The Constitution) the path is time consuming. fraught with pit falls. a 2/3 vote of all Congress both Senators and Representatives, then a vote of all 50 states and 3/4 of those individual states must approve the Constitutional Amendment one step must follow the other. Necessarily complicated and time consuming !

Do you think that one man like a Donald Trumplethinskin can circumvent and convince a Nation whose population did not overwhelmingly vote to place this man in our top Administrative position to unilaterally delete our entire National Constitution ? Would that; or could that. start an armed revolt against a usurper? "I" was willing to subject myself many times by oath "to defend the Constitution, and when I resigned my legal positions, to my knowledge I was not relieved of that responsibility; ("to defend the Constitution and laws of the United States, of America"). "I" doubt "I" am alone !

It was this blueprint that placed Trumplethinskin in office, do you think he would discard it after this accomplishment? That alone would de-legitimize his Presidency.

Now let us say a bit of us "Johnny come latelies" American colonists The Constitution in effect in 1785.

When voting rights for "most British Home Owners" did not appear in Britain until 1884 almost 100 years after the US --oops ! And that was due to British citizen revolts. Let's look a tad further African British Citizens and Indian British subjects did not have the vote until 1985 yes, after another 100 years.

You still have "a" House of Lords which seems to have the power to change a House of Commons majority vote from yea to nay, and nay to yea. There is NO blueprint for the structure of your government, However, it appears the rest of Europe has more to say about what occurs in British government than y'all do. "That is a problem"!!! "Correct me" if "I" am wrong!
Sully
 
Posts: 2150
Joined: 04 Dec 2010, 18:44
Location: Hampstead, North Carolina, USA

Re: BREXIT

Postby Burgerman » 10 Jan 2017, 23:42

Not for long.
User avatar
Burgerman
Site Admin
 
Posts: 34963
Joined: 27 May 2008, 21:24
Location: United Kingdom

Re: BREXIT

Postby Lord Chatterley » 13 Jan 2017, 01:22

Sully wrote:YES I figured in this comment; Amending the Constitution, if you follow the blue print (The Constitution) the path is time consuming. fraught with pit falls. a 2/3 vote of all Congress both Senators and Representatives, then a vote of all 50 states and 3/4 of those individual states must approve the Constitutional Amendment one step must follow the other. Necessarily complicated and time consuming !

Do you think that one man like a Donald Trumplethinskin can circumvent and convince a Nation whose population did not overwhelmingly vote to place this man in our top Administrative position to unilaterally delete our entire National Constitution ? Would that; or could that. start an armed revolt against a usurper? "I" was willing to subject myself many times by oath "to defend the Constitution, and when I resigned my legal positions, to my knowledge I was not relieved of that responsibility; ("to defend the Constitution and laws of the United States, of America"). "I" doubt "I" am alone !

It was this blueprint that placed Trumplethinskin in office, do you think he would discard it after this accomplishment? That alone would de-legitimize his Presidency.

Now let us say a bit of us "Johnny come latelies" American colonists The Constitution in effect in 1785.

When voting rights for "most British Home Owners" did not appear in Britain until 1884 almost 100 years after the US --oops ! And that was due to British citizen revolts. Let's look a tad further African British Citizens and Indian British subjects did not have the vote until 1985 yes, after another 100 years.

You still have "a" House of Lords which seems to have the power to change a House of Commons majority vote from yea to nay, and nay to yea. There is NO blueprint for the structure of your government, However, it appears the rest of Europe has more to say about what occurs in British government than y'all do. "That is a problem"!!! "Correct me" if "I" am wrong!


You are mistaken - for example, the US has never had free trade within its own borders let alone overseas. How does that constitute a protection of individual rights?
Can Trump delete the Constitution? He doesn't need to - it's already been gutted.

As for the franchise - again, you are mistaken but that's hardly a significant issue in any case - freedom is not in any way about who gets the vote: it is what do they get to vote FOR.
The Bill of Rights was supposed to protect against democratic impulses but does it?

"Bills of Rights do not actually maintain freedom. To put it crudely, if the civic order is dominated by
liberal mores and ideas then a Bill of Rights isn’t necessary. If it is not then a Bill of Rights won’t help
you. The Bill of Rights advocates basically suffer from a form of social reification. The Bill of Rights is
simply a document, it has no reality except as a piece of paper outside of the ideas and behaviour of
individuals. It was not the paper “checks and balances” of the American Constitution which maintained
American freedom, it was the “invisible,” but actually more real ones manifest in the ideas and actions of
millions of Americans. The fact that people would rather go hungry than accept state welfare, that
individuals simply would not put up with the sorts of interventionism now accepted as commonplace by
contemporary Americans—this is the real power of ideas as social forces. It is the power of the social
order, of civic society, not scraps of paper, that limited the American state. . . .
American political and constitutional history offers ample evidence for the case against a Bill of Rights.
When liberal hegemony was lost in America (from the turn of the century) and the social mores and
predominant ideas became more collectivist and statist, then the American Constitution and the Bill of
Rights simply did not serve as a bulwark of freedom. . . .
It might be plausibly argued that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights slowed down the governmental
manifestation of collectivism in America, but I doubt if it could be shown that this was of any great
magnitude. Although it might also be argued that collectivism and statism had to adopt certain judicial
disguises, to dress themselves in constitutional terms, this was no great problem for them. . . .
Liberalism and libertarianism need to look elsewhere for the means by which the aggressive use of force
is minimised and individual rights respected. Those means, in my view, lie in the strengthening of what we
might term “social power” and the whole moral and psychological structure of society, and by what
Proudhon called “the dissolution of government in the economic organism.”

http://www.libertarian.co.uk/lapubs/polin/polin148.pdf

LC
Lord Chatterley
 
Posts: 2085
Joined: 06 Jan 2010, 13:12

PreviousNext

Return to Anything

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 13 guests

 

  eXTReMe Tracker