Trump is PRESIDENT today!

[Burgerman]

Are you worried, pleased, scared, expecting WW3 or what?

I would worry. Even when he is right. Its for crazy reasons or explained really stupidly. An example is his description of 'climate change'.

I would have said:
Climate has always changed, often in the past more drastically than today. The amount that is added to this natural variability by humans isn't clear or an exact science, and climate scientists and their models, exaggerate the human effects. So far all their predictions for 20 years, have proven incorrect. And the affect of temperature rise has yet to be shown to be a bad thing. In the past it has proven to be quite tho opposite and during the fleeting warm periods life flourished. And any changes that we could make that may have some minor effect at all would hurt us financially and hurt our way of life severely.

He says:
Its wrong, and a conspiracy theory by the Chinese...

By which I mean he never explained the logic in any single one of his 'policies' so far!

[Burgerman]

Also why the massive ceremony? He just a civil servant, a politician. And why the church? Its the sort of pomp you see for kings and queens all historical bull for the tourists..

[Lord Chatterley]

They must be terrified...

LC

[Burgerman]

Only in America! Thats what all the armored vehicles and hundreds of armed security guys are for then. Cant be all those deranged nutters wandering around with guns because those are no danger apparently... Although a few presidents would beg to differ.

James A. Garfield.
William McKinley.
John F. Kennedy.
Andrew Jackson.
Abraham Lincoln.
William Howard Taft.
Theodore Roosevelt.

And this just proves guns are safe! Nope, its the twigs and leaves that are dangerous!

[Burgerman]

Riots, and smashed up shops... This is going rather badly. Just like the brexit losers they cant accept that they are outvoted. The same snowflake generation.

Now there's a speech by the bewildered religous nutter. I thought the US separated this stuff from the gov?

[Lord Chatterley]

It's hard not to laugh - the disgruntled snowflakes were the icing on the cake!

LC

[sacharlie]

Also why the massive ceremony? He just a civil servant, a politician. And why the church? Its the sort of pomp you see for kings and queens all historical bull for the tourists..

Take a good look at Trump's face, during the ceremony, which is how I view things. He has no time for that pompous bullshit. Believe in short order there will be as many republicans bitching as there are democrats.

[Burgerman]

There are already?

[sacharlie]

Well the speaker of the house, Paul Ryan the asshat, will be put in his place sooner than he thinks when he brings up privatizing social security.

[Burgerman]

https://uk.investing.com/currencies/gbp-usd

Euro and pound both climbing against the dollar after today.

[Sully]

I guess I have seen too many Presidents to worry bout being disappointed.
First the church thing, not obligatory just some sort of traditional thing.
THe invocation stuff is simply multi-religion thing, again no requirements about this just designed by some past presidents.
The actual swearing in is required The pomp and ceremony is just us Americans showing off our pride of nation.
A president any president can set up the ceremony the way he wants.
Tomorrow starts his clock, for administering our Nation. I wish him well.
The planet will not rotate any faster or slower, become warmer or colder, because he is running our nation. He has very limited actual power, Congress has all the power and about anything he says he will do can be overruled in almost every instance.
What we do have is the peaceful transfer of the Presidency of our Nation. Yes there are a few "Assholed" who create problems, But few and far between, just well publicised. Sad to admit, but they do not speak for me.

[Burgerman]

You mean the snowflake generation?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjN8xP0i6Ak

[Lord Chatterley]

Executive actions ready to go...All 'Climate Change' References Deleted From White House Site...

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-t ... 532T3?il=0

http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/01/20/ ... oon-today/

LC

[Burgerman]

Well that should upset all the deluded little snowflakes!

He said the factories shutted....

[Burgerman]

Theres riots I mean protests planned across the US and other parts of the world. Because the snowflakes/liberals/leftists KNOW their opinion is right and so the election result MUST be wrong...

After all, any opinion that isn't in agreement with theirs must be racist, Islamist or Islamophobic, xenophobic or something right? Or doesn't follow the ipcc climate fairy story Quick, find them another safe space or a course in human sexuality.

[Lord Chatterley]

What about the great poncho menace - this is the clown who named Islam 'a religion of peace.'

LC

[Burgerman]

If one cut his head off he would still say so. He and every other liberal thinking idiot cannot ever admit the obvious. Same as merkel. Her country is awash with behavioral problems by a million Muslim with their backward violent ignorant 3rd world values. And even she wont admit it.

Why? Because to do so means admitting her whole ideology is wrong. So she defends that at all costs. Muslims are not the problem. "That *cant* possibly be true! You cant condemn a whole religion! Its just a few individuals that are radicals or causing trouble."

Her and Obama's refusal to see whats directly in their faces along with all the other media and controlling classes, is the very reason we just have brexit, trump, and the rise of the right across the EU. And STILL they cant see it and appear surprised! They are still knocking brexit and trump at every opportunity on TV in spite of the fact that they won.

You see the reality is this in the UK. NOBODY cares if a working family of french, Italians, Swiss or Germans moves into the house next door. Thats not why we are asking for border control. Or curbs on immigration. But nobody wants a house of Somali men living 3 to a room, or middle eastern Muslims that don't integrate or wear black things on their heads moving in. Both are less likely to work, and always turn the neighborhood into a scruffy 3rd world area. We just are not allowed to SAY this in case it offends them or the leftist/liberals/media that tell us what to and how we are supposed to think.. So we have to call it immigration.

Trouble is I don't think trump thinks that deeply. He doesn't understand any of this. He shutted factories... Thinks global warming is a Chinese made conspiracy. Etc. He is weird.

[hobie1dog]

200 Million spent on the inauguration, meanwhile 400 miles away in Kentucky

[Burgerman]

I would call that dated, cluttered and 'needs work'... Or bulldozer. I don't think there's anything like that in the UK today or if there is I don't know where to find it..

Even those that never worked (lazy social housing etc) get double glazing, central heating, modern fitted kitchens new clean bathrooms etc as a matter of course through grants, modernization or help by local council and legal housing standards etc. For e.g. a landlord would never be able to legally rent out any place like that in that state. Its possible that you could live with that kitchen if privately owned and choose to. But you could easily get help here. The US is a strange place of extremes.

For eg my kitchen looks brand new and no clutter. And I have central heating, that currently has a 6 to 8 year old boiler I forget. Its a low water content, 92% efficient condensing boiler with integrated hot water. But because its in need of some repair, (I occasionally need to press reset), then I am eligible for a new one free of charge or if they judge you need extra insulation etc a small charge top up... http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/family/grant-grabbing for eg...

Same with insulation, double glazing, disability adaptations etc. subject to less than x thousand pounds in the bank, and in receipt of certain benefits.

[sacharlie]

I would call that dated, cluttered and 'needs work'... I don't think there's anything like that in the UK today.

So where does your government get the funds?

[Burgerman]

It taxes people! When working for a living I paid plenty of tax. Its a mix of capitalism and socialism that stops people from dropping below a certain level... We like free enterprise and business growth. So it employs lots of people and sells services and goods overseas. That keeps unemployment low, and all the working get to pay taxes. Encouraged by the likes of low corporate tax. So we can then tax everything everyone buys and everyone's wages

Some lazy lifestyle unemployed take advantage. Unmarried mothers get free housing, extra money etc. and do the same. But its really designed to help those like me or short term unemployed etc.

[sacharlie]

It taxes people! ...everyone's wages everyone!

Does everyone pay the same tax rate?

[Burgerman]

No. Its unfair to the ones that earn more. Because they would already pay more even at the same tax rate.

But you can earn about 11k (14k dollars) before you pay a thing. And if earnings are low or you have kids you get extra help... https://www.gov.uk/working-tax-credit/overview

Personal Allowance Up to £11,000 0%
Basic rate £11,001 to £43,000 20%
Higher rate £43,001 to £150,000 40%
Additional rate over £150,000 45%

[sacharlie]

Is any other income taxed?

[Burgerman]

There's also:
Housing benefit (pays mortgage interest or rent if you don't work up to a certain level)
Child support
Working tax credits
Dole (spending money if not working)
Free health care, dental, eyes, prescriptions, etc
Free housing modernization in some cases or grants etc.
Disability benefits like care hours as required, wheelchairs, money for a car etc, extra money if you are more severely disabled.
100 other things.

Its not hard to live reasonably well if you are good with money as a disabled member of society. And as always the opposite is true even if working.

[Burgerman]

All income is the same. If you earn 10k from shares, 10k from gardening, 10k from working at any job, that's 30k income. Less any expenses incurred if self employed.

[sacharlie]

Here there are different income classifications. That's how someone can have 10x the income of another and pay only 1/3 the tax rate paid by the one with a lower income. That's unfair!

[Burgerman]

Here there are different income classifications. That's how someone can have 10x the income of another and pay only 1/3 the tax rate paid by the one with a lower income. That's unfair!

Of course its not. What is unfair is

1/3 the tax rate

the fact that the political classes have managed to get "percentage" accepted as fair at all. It plainly isn't. Take 2 people. Both pay 20% tax. One earns 1,000 monthly, one earns 10,000 monthly.

Why should the guy earning 10,000 pay 10x as much for the SAME SERVICES, schools etc for his kid as the other guy? This happens even at the same RATE. I will tell you why. Because for the average low earning joe that needs someone else to employ him, to have all the benefits of the military, roads, libraries, research, general infrastructure, and every other thing the tax gets spent on, the system has to unfairly punish those earning more. Or his feeble income would leave him with a society much like the African countries have! The other guy however would live in a much nicer area in a walled city full of all the amenities and infrastructure you cant have.

They the high earners and businesses are forced to support YOU so that you get to live how you do now. Its not a fair system. Yet you want to suck even more out of them to support your way of life. Maybe you should move to some socialist, communist country if you can still find one that hasn't gone bust.

[sacharlie]

Life may be unfair but it's life. Tax rates should be equal regardless of the amount or type of income. Maybe the person with a large income derives more benefit from the infrastructure. Someone with a yacht might need the coast guard while most will not. When the government builds a highway in front of someone's land and he then sells that land for 20x more than the price before the highway you're gonna lower his tax rate so he doesn't have to pay more in tax dollars than the guy without that windfall. You are drinking some wacky kool-aid.

[Burgerman]

Life may be unfair but it's life.

YOU were the one claiming that it was unfair because they were not getting ripped of enough to make your life better!!! You wanted them to pay even more into the system.

Tax rates should be equal regardless of the amount or type of income.

I disagree. Tax rates are unfair by design. Tax AMOUNTS should be equal for everyone. Since they all get the same benefit from them. So divide the bill by number of tax payers. But you wouldn't be able to afford that. You NEED the system to take more from some.

Maybe the person with a large income derives more benefit from the infrastructure. Someone with a yacht might need the coast guard while most will not.

And maybe not. The coastguard seldom rescue from a yacht. Rubber boats, swimmers, yes. So again all benefit equally. But feel free to buy a yacht if it really worries you!

When the government builds a highway in front of someone's land and he then sells that land for 20x more than the price before the highway you're gonna lower his tax rate so he doesn't have to pay more in tax dollars than the guy without that windfall. You are drinking some wacky kool-aid.

But he doesn't pay less ACTUAL tax does he. Yet again he pays MORE in dollars! He is unfairly ripped off to help prop you and those like you up! And if that weird scenario really bothers you, go buy some land and wait for a road! Same chances you have. Its called business. Anyone can do it.