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[Burgerman]

Never seen him, I looked him up and read the wiki page. Seems to make perfect sense to me.

I notice your free speech is getting eroded over there too. Shutting down rallies and all this talk of hatespeech etc. So the liberal western ideoloy is winning over there too.

Even in america your "right" to "free speech" only exists if it doesent offend the liberals... Many rules, and many court cases say so. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St ... exceptions

And this gets worse over time. As it has in the EU. Right now, all across the US students are trying to get their "safe spaces" where they can retreat and hide from opinions or reality that they dont like, spread the whole universities. And eventually society as a whole. For eg no more guests they consider facist, or anti gay, no more opinions about trumps travel ban allowed to be expressed. The only speakers they will allow are those with their own leftist, liberal views. And god forbid you ever use the word muslim in anything but a cuddly way! They all storm off in tears to their safe spaces. Snowflake generation are very real.

[rustyjames]

Was listening to Rush Limbaugh

Theres the problem, far too many listen to this bombastic bozo.

Right, how dare I have my own opinion when the smart left can do my thinking for me. They know what's best, all I have to do is pay for it.

[sacharlie]

Right, how dare I have my own opinion when the smart left can do my thinking for me. They know what's best, all I have to do is pay for it.

Add the smart right in on doing the thinking for you, me and everyone. Both the smart left and smart right took us to war in Iraq both bailed out the wall street bankers with taxpayer money. Nothing is done without both the left and the right carring the game ball in the same direction; most of the time they take turns carring the ball just to throw us off.

You and I are paying, thats for sure. In the end my opinion costs me just as much as your opinion costs you.

[Sully]

Rusty, you have a few pretty far out there thoughts as well. As for your sister, she can be a million miles away and still be close to you. Someday you might be old enough to understand that there is always a sibling bond.

Why must she agree with you in any way? You seem to demand that allegiance! I do not agree with every liberal (left leaning) philosophy. But, I also agree less with the conservative, religious, right wingers.

The right to speak freely is not prevented by our government but by ordinary citizens who dislike the message, both right and left are equally responsible for this obscenity. This kind of friction is hardly new, but has been present since man has existed.

[rustyjames]

Sully, you certainly make a lot of assumptions about me and my Sister. She is the one who wants me to think like Her liberal self. Sorry, but there's really not much of anything in the liberal ideology that I can ascribe to. Of course I love my Sister, but I have to think like Her to? This is what Mr. B and myself keep trying to relate to you lib's, but you'll never get it. If you don't believe me just watch the news! I've got some bad news, there's a silent majority out the that have had enough. If the election of Mr. Trump doesn't spell it out, you're never going to see it.

"Elections have consequences; you're welcome to come along for the ride, but you'll have to sit in the back of the bus!" BHO

[Burgerman]

Add the smart right in on doing the thinking for you, me and everyone. Both the smart left and smart right took us to war in Iraq both bailed out the wall street bankers with taxpayer money. Nothing is done without both the left and the right carring the game ball in the same direction; most of the time they take turns carring the ball just to throw us off.

You and I are paying, thats for sure. In the end my opinion costs me just as much as your opinion costs you.

sacharlie, you missed the point again.
The right = free thinking, free choices in life, free trade (the capitalism and the freedom it brings) and is the only basis for free choices and free thought and freedom of speech.

The left, are generally liberals today much more so than the likes of the right or trumps lot ever are. And the more right you go the less "liberal" you have to be by definition. Which is why you have your Liberal Democrats, a lft/liberal group that are more socialist than than trumps lot. (the opposite to historical politics incidentally) So left means liberal political correctness, safe rooms in universities, disallowing "hate" speech and rioting to shut down anyone with an opinion. Or having any opinion that isn't all about the equality of religions, sexuality, race, colour etc.

So no "In the end my opinion costs me just as much as your opinion costs you" is false.
Because socialists/liberals are not allowed a view. They have to follow the politically correct line. Regardless of the facts, or testable evidence. And they think and try to make. ALL OF US think and act the same way. Dont like Hispanics for some very good reason? Dont like red haired people just because they look weird? Dont like jews because your (protected) Muslim religion says you shouldn't? The left/liberal types like students, over educated, elites, TV types, etc wont allow YOU to have any opinion that doesent make everyone equal or may upset someones sensibilities as its "wrong".

There isnt 2 sides here. Theres political correctness which is an attempt by a few to control everyone. And theres NOT THAT. Those are not equal or opposites.

[sacharlie]

Add the smart right in on doing the thinking for you, me and everyone. Both the smart left and smart right took us to war in Iraq both bailed out the wall street bankers with taxpayer money. Nothing is done without both the left and the right carring the game ball in the same direction; most of the time they take turns carring the ball just to throw us off.

You and I are paying, thats for sure. In the end my opinion costs me just as much as your opinion costs you.

sacharlie, you missed the point again.
The right = free thinking, free choices in life, free trade (the capitalism and the freedom it brings) and is the only basis for free choices and free thought and freedom of speech.

What you wrote above is the same bullshit that Rush Limbaugh is paid to say. Your talk is cheap. Come over here you might get paid.

The right will give you all that as long as you give over your money to em. The right works for the Plutocracy just as hard as the left; maybe more so on taxation. Ya see every time the right gives a tax break it always comes about in 2 ways. The 1% gets the biggest straight out tax reduction while the working middle class can never see a reduction in their tax dollars unless they 1st hand over their money, in the form of interest/insurance/royalty to the Plutocracy.

[Burgerman]

Your ignorance is showing again.
And who exactly do you suppose "pays him"? He can just see how things work, where you cant. Conspiracy theory nut much? Or do you have evidence? Thought not...

OK...
Without the right, and capitalism, and low business taxation, and so on, and without the ability to get rich and keep it, all the drive to build and run or expand or invest in businesses is gone. Removed. So you wouldn't HAVE any money, or a job to earn money TO give to "them"! Not that you do. (or any food, cars, heat etc). How do you GIVE to them? Why am I asking you never can answer.
You already pay a shitload less tax than your 1 percent regardless, as YOU yourself already admitted. But we know, you want them to help you even more, but won't tell us why.

Thats why you wont go live in Venezuela or Columbia, or any other non capitalist country where they do this stuff you so want. So your argument is one of simple both IGNORANCE and is a total contradiction! You are arguing to be poorer. And doing as you suggest is a good way to achieve that. One small step at a time until you ARE Venezuela so wont need to move. Redistribution of wealth is socialism, which does exactly this every time. As I already showed you in the past by example. LOTS of times. But your ignorance cant seem understand it.

You STILL think theses some fixed amount of money. Or wealth. And that taking even more from those with more than you have, to give to those like you will "even it all up". But there isn't. So it wont. And all that happens is you shrink the pot. And everyone is then poorer. As every last system ever tried has proven. To those on the right, this is obvious before you bother to bankrupt 40 or 50 countries to test. And have populations suffering for half a century at a time. But some are not capable of reasoned logical thinking. So keep "wanting" stuff, and cant show how that is going to work. Or show a SINGLE place where it has.

[Burgerman]

while the working middle class can never see a reduction in their tax dollars unless they 1st hand over their money, in the form of interest/insurance/royalty to the Plutocracy.

Yes well if you take two identical working families. And one invests in the future, invests in his own business, doesn't rent, doesn't borrow, buys well, and MANAGES his life in a conservative way, then he becomes the plutocracy you hate. And then you expect those people to pay more tax than you do in DOLLARS, so that you can live in better style than your income and daft expenditure on insurance and loans dictates. You take your choices and most people make stupid ones. If you happen to be less productive than a guy like say musk or whoever then thats not their problem. Its your own. And YOU benefit from these people in countless ways on top of the extra tax they pay directly and indirectly. Lets say one starts a bank. And lends you money for the house or car you cant afford through bad choices or being dumb as a brick. YOU chose to pay them. Nobody made you do that.