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Britain & France and the EU

Postby F3Head » 16 Jul 2017, 19:22

Nice friends and neighbors you have here…good luck with that brexit thing.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... itain.html

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Re: Britain & France and the EU

Postby sacharlie » 16 Jul 2017, 20:20

Offering firms big money to move to Paris. They are just promoting capitalism. :shock:
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Postby Burgerman » 16 Jul 2017, 21:05

No. Thats the OPPOSITE to free trade. The very opposite to uncontrolled and free capitalist trade based on value.

Thats socialist. A distortion of the free market. And wealth redistribution.

You don't even know what capitalism is! So how is it possible to discuss anything with you?
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Re: Britain & France and the EU

Postby sacharlie » 16 Jul 2017, 21:13

Your unusual understanding of capitalism is to tax the populace at a higher rate and subsidise the plutocats with a lower tax rate. You are upside down.
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Postby Burgerman » 16 Jul 2017, 21:20

Wrong Capitalism doesn't involve tax at all. Only FREE TRADE with no restriction or government meddling. Tax is socialism. Redistribution of wealth.

I don't have an unusual understanding of capitalism. You appear to have no understanding, and worse don't seem to be able to absorb or understand anything.

As I have explained already. Plenty of times. The plutocrats pay hundreds of times MORE DOLLARS than you do for the same thing. As it stands today they are being ripped off. And you are riding on their backs. And you never told me why you think that they should give you their cash? You refused to say why you think they should be propping you up?

So now is the time.

And obviously redistribution of wealth is a socialist concept. And every time its tried the country gets poorer. And the POOR too.

So why?
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Postby sacharlie » 16 Jul 2017, 21:28

sacharlie wrote:Your unusual understanding of capitalism is to tax the populace at a higher rate and subsidise the plutocats with a lower tax rate. You are upside down.

Repeat!
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Re: Britain & France and the EU

Postby Burgerman » 16 Jul 2017, 21:34

You are a waste of time. You never reply to anything I say or ask. Because you cant. Not sure what your intellectual level is like, but I don't hold out much hope.

So read and reply?

Wrong Capitalism doesn't involve tax at all. Only FREE TRADE with no restriction or government meddling. Tax is socialism. Redistribution of wealth.

I don't have an unusual understanding of capitalism. You appear to have no understanding, and worse don't seem to be able to absorb or understand anything.

As I have explained already. Plenty of times. The plutocrats pay hundreds of times MORE DOLLARS than you do for the same thing. As it stands today they are being ripped off. And you are riding on their backs. And you never told me why you think that they should give you their cash? You refused to say why you think they should be propping you up?

So now is the time.

And obviously redistribution of wealth is a socialist concept. And every time its tried the country gets poorer. And the POOR too.

So why?
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Postby sacharlie » 16 Jul 2017, 23:38

sacharlie wrote:
sacharlie wrote:Your unusual understanding of capitalism is to tax the populace at a higher rate and subsidise the plutocats with a lower tax rate. You are upside down.

Repeat!

Repeat!
Because that is your take on the issue.
I have given you links disputing the trickle down nonsence.
You have given nothing but your misguided belief that capitalism requires that the wealthy pay a lower tax rate than the working class. You are standing on your head on this issue.
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Re: Britain & France and the EU

Postby Burgerman » 17 Jul 2017, 00:17

Capitalism has nothing to do with tax!!! You are ignorant.

And I showed why it was bollocks. And why that has NOTHING to do with either trickle down that you plainly do not understand, or capitalism!

Clueless or what.

And I cannot continue to argue. I was once told that you shouldn't argue with an idiot because they bring you down to their level. And you have.

I will continue this as soon as you answer a few of the questions I keep asking you. That you will not answer because you cannot without showing you are wrong!

What this boils down to is this.
A. You are clueless and don't even know what capitalism is.
B. You see rich people. And rich companies. And you want some of it. Plain greed. But cannot seem to understand that this will make ALL of the society poorer!

And so I cant continue. Because ignorance cannot be argued with.
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Re: Britain & France and the EU

Postby sacharlie » 17 Jul 2017, 00:23

You ask meaningless questions.
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Re: Britain & France and the EU

Postby Burgerman » 17 Jul 2017, 00:24

No. I ask lots of simple logical questions that you will not answer without making yourself look a fool.
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Re: Britain & France and the EU

Postby sad_vampire » 17 Jul 2017, 01:00

F3Head wrote:Nice friends and neighbors you have here…good luck with that brexit thing.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... itain.html

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This in normal for the French, it's an old family argument that has been going on for 950 years, nothing to worry about because
anyone who invests their money in France knows that France gets invaded regularly & they will lose their money.

Safe places to invest are islands (UK, Japan, various offshore islands away from idiots), on top of mountain ranges (Switzerland), or
somewhere that has no likely enemies nearby (New York).

The EU will try to take away all the EU banking from London, simple protectionism, but the money that really matters will simply
disappear from the EU into London or Switzerland anyway.

Anyone for a spot of smuggling & privateering?
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Re: Britain & France and the EU

Postby Burgerman » 17 Jul 2017, 01:56

A few years from now, the EU will be a non democratic failing and poor socialist superstate full of lefties, liberals, and overrun with Muslims and a collapsing currency. And they are welcome to it.
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Re: Britain & France and the EU

Postby F3Head » 17 Jul 2017, 20:57

I guess we will see the shape of Brexit with talks beginning today with the EU.
It doesn't look good from my point of view for Brexiteers. It's hard to tell from the left-wing media noise
what's true or false. Here's the latest from Tony Blair. The fortuneteller that he is.…

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/07 ... ot-happen/

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Re: Britain & France and the EU

Postby Burgerman » 17 Jul 2017, 21:18

When you say not good, what do you mean?
Blair is a born again socialist liberal idiot.

We would if it was up to me, just go home the day after the vote. Out means out. No longer a club member. No open borders, no EU control of any kind, no common (single) market, no customs union, no anything. Just a wave as we go. A year ago. We don't need any of that stuff.

We do need our fishing rights back.
And real border control.
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Re: Britain & France and the EU

Postby Burgerman » 19 Jul 2017, 11:20

The socialist left. The same in the USA with your socialist democrats. (And like Like corbin and blair in the UK)
They all love Marxism. Marxism has never worked. Not once in any of the 50 or so countries it was tried in. It always devolves to totalitarianism, and is a blight to the people it subjugates. Look at the beautiful and oil-rich nation of Venezuela which should be an extremely rich country, whose women are currently being forced to prostitution to feed their families if they can actually find any food. And yet the universities, the media and the political Left in the now rich capitalist democratic countries have embraced cultural and political Marxism and are working post-haste to destroy what is left of the West, adding on the coup-de-grace, the mass importation of a certain violently destructive religion.

The EU is akin to the now bankrupt soviet union before it gave up on socialism. Its run by marxists. It actively wants as many countries, colours, and races, religions as possible to mix so that it cant ever be separated. It does everything possible to mix people across countries. The EU is a project. An ever creeping agenda. A liberal/very left bordering on communist, project. Run by in the most part by non elected officials that we don't know, never heard of, and cant vote out. They are hell bent on making a massive superstate with a common government, laws, and courts, and to grow as large as possible. Its a non democratic project run by what are best described as liberal communists that totally ignore what each country wants or even voted for. It want its own military, and it wants to remove all power from individual countries. We neither want this, or it, and are better off out of it even if it DOES make us poorer.

Because it means we govern ourselves, don't need to pay twice as much in as we get out. And stand some chance of controlling the mass Muslim immigration that is turning our cities into violent 3rd world ghettos. And for eg get our fishing rights back! A price well worth paying.

When we joined the EU it was sold to the population as the "Common Market". Thats all it was. Thats now called the single market. A simplified trade agreement. All the rest was added year by year in stealth fashion by the socialist and liberal political classes on the quiet. And even when a country voted against something, it was ignored. The never ceasing march towards a huge socialist superstate (More EU control) continues in spite of the fact that almost non of the populations want this.

So I want out. And voted OUT! I voted out which by definition means out of the single market, and out of the customs union. Thats what brexit is. And yet the left are doing everything possible to say we are out, but STAY IN the single market and the customs union. Which goes against my winning vote.

Theres no reason that we WILL be poorer though. Quite the opposite. After some transitional issues for up to a decade.
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