To all the WARMIST nutters out there!

[Burgerman]

Climate alarmists IPCC have finally admitted that they’ve got it wrong on global warming.

This is the inescapable conclusion of a landmark paper, published in Nature Geoscience, which finally admits that the computer models have overstated the impact of carbon dioxide on climate and that the planet is warming much more slowly than predicted.

The paper – titled Emission budgets and pathways consistent with limiting warming to 1.5 °C – concedes that it is now almost impossible that the doomsday predictions made in the last IPCC Assessment Report of 1.5 degrees C warming above pre-industrial levels by 2022 will come true.

In order for that to happen, temperatures would have to rise by a massive 0.5 degrees C in five years.

Since global mean temperatures rarely rise by even as much as 0.25 degrees C in a decade, that would mean the planet would have to do 20 years’ worth of extreme warming in the space of the next five years.

This, the scientists admit, is next to impossible. Which means their “carbon budget” – the amount of CO2 they say is needed to increase global warming by a certain degree – is wrong. This in turn means that the computer models they’ve been using to scare the world with tales of man-made climate doom are wrong too.

One researcher – from the alarmist side of the argument, not the skeptical one – has described the paper’s conclusion as “breathtaking” in its implications.

He’s right. The scientists who’ve written this paper aren’t climate skeptics. They’re longstanding warmists, implacable foes of climate skeptics, and they’re also actually the people responsible for producing the IPCC’s carbon budget.

In other words, this represents the most massive climbdown from the alarmist camp.

But you certainly wouldn’t guess this from the way the scientists are trying to spin their report!

According to the London Times:

Michael Grubb, professor of international energy and climate change at University College London and one ofthe study’s authors, admitted that his previous prediction had been wrong.

He stated during the climate summit in Paris in December 2015: “All the evidence from the past 15 years leads me to conclude that actually delivering 1.5C is simply incompatible with democracy.”

Speaking to The Times, he said: “When the facts change, I change my mind, as Keynes said.

“It’s still likely to be very difficult to achieve these kind of changes quickly enough but we are in a better place than I thought.”

and

Myles Allen, professor of geosystem science at the University of Oxford and another author of the paper, said: “We haven’t seen that rapid acceleration in warming after 2000 that we see in the models. We haven’t seen that in the observations.”

He said that the group of about a dozen computer models, produced by government research institutes and universities around the world, had been assembled a decade ago “so it’s not that surprising that it’s starting to divert a little bit from observations”.

He said that too many of the models used “were on the hot side”, meaning they forecast too much warming.

Note the disingenuousness here.

Grubb is claiming that the facts have changed. Which they haven’t. Climate skeptics have been saying for years that the IPCC climate models have been running “too hot.” Indeed, the Global Warming Policy Foundation produced a paper stating this three years ago. Naturally it was ignored by alarmists who have always sought to marginalize the GWPF as a denialist institution which they claim – erroneously – is in the pay of sinister fossil fuel interests.

Allen’s “so it’s not that surprising” is indeed true if you’re on the skeptical side of the argument. But not if, like Allen, you’re one of those scientists who’ve spent the last 20 years scorning, mocking and vilifying all those skeptics who for years have been arguing the very point which Allen himself is now admitting is correct.

That’s why Benny Peiser, of the Global Warming Policy Foundation says, this is a “landmark” moment in the history of great climate change scare.

“It’s the first official confirmation we’ve had that CO2 is not as big a driver of climate change as the computer models have claimed; and it’s the first official admission that the planet is not warming dangerously.”

But this is not, unfortunately, a cause for wild celebrations in the street. ManBearPig has been scotched but by no means been slain. Nor are the alarmists yet ready to admit the full scale of their errors.

This is little more than a damage limitation exercise by scamsters who know they’ve been caught cheating and have now been forced to concede at least some territory to their opponents for fear of looking ridiculous.

Paul Homewood has their number:

1) We have known for several years that the climate models have been running far too hot.

This rather belated admission is welcome, but a cynic would wonder why it was not made before Paris.

2) I suspect part of the motivation is to keep Paris on track. Most observers, including even James Hansen, have realised that it was not worth the paper it was written on.

This new study is designed to restore the belief that the original climate targets can be achieved, via Paris and beyond.

3) Although they talk of the difference between 0.9C and 1.3C, the significance is much greater.

Making the reasonable assumption that a significant part of the warming since the mid 19thC is natural, this means that any AGW signal is much less than previously thought.

4) Given that that they now admit they have got it so wrong, why should we be expected to have any faith at all in the models?

5) Finally, we must remember that temperatures since 2000 have been artificially raised by the recent record El Nino, and the ongoing warm phase of the AMO.

Yup. But at least we climate skeptics have been proved right yet again, that’s the main thing.

Oh, and by the way, snooty alarmist scumbags: that word you were looking for to describe the current state of global warming science is: “Sorry.”

[Burgerman]

Theres stories about this apearing all over the web.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4503006/g ... e-opinion/

[Lord Chatterley]

I gather Greta has hitched her wagon to the BLM cause and is currently appearing on a TV panel discussing the problems of being black in America.
LOL.
I wonder if the MSM will amplify this girl the same as they did with her - includes a special philosophy bonus for BM because we all know how much he loves philosophy!


youtu.be/m2HuxpoLGp8

LC

[Burgerman]

She is me. But better looking.

No of course the media esp the BBC lefties wont elevate her. They totally avoid the facts when it goes against their lefty/woke/liberal/green agenda. She will never appear on the likes of the BBC propaganda channel. For a start shese not black, or lesbian. At least not obviously so. And she uses "facts" and lefties dont understand those.

[Burgerman]

Heres a few more...

CO2 in the past...

[Burgerman]

Temp and CO2 in the past -- Note how it always rises with the natural temerature variation. And isnt causing the temp to change. And that it was happening long long before man existed.

[Burgerman]

Historic temperateres...

[Lord Chatterley]

Heres a few more...

CO2 in the past...

O2 levels were a lot higher in the dinosaur era, I notice - therefore Jurassic Park would be a non-starter, alas.

LC

[Burgerman]

CO2 historically was as high as 15 percent at one time. But now its a few parts per million. And almost the lowest its been in history. And you may notice that historically it goes up when its warmer. And down when its cooler. And did all this without any help from us for millions of years. In fact billions of years.

But they only want to show you that super recent hockey stick graph. The one that provided you cherry pick just the last tiny fraction of the real history looks like co2 is going up abnormally. When its really not even significant.

And for this they want to ruin and backrupt our lifes, economies etc. They are just another manifestation of the green/left destroying the thing they incorrectly see as bad. Capitalism. Because they are plain dumb. And just like the lefty media thing, they will not allow an oposing view to get airtime. The BBC state global warming and human made global as the same thing. Its not. And as bad. It may be better. And villify anyone including real scientists that disagree and deplatform them. Just the same as brexit and all the rest. They totally ignore that the cost of dealing with it (if it were real) is way cheaper than trying to stop the planet doing what its always done. And the facts that make it look natural and insignificant. We are back to heads in sand lefty green socialism. And nobody is allowed to disagree. As I said the left have control of all the levers.

[Burgerman]

I just had a green party member at my door. Well to be fair I grabbed her. She was leafleting... Much of what was on that leaflet was plain wrong!

So I showed her some historical records that are similar to what I posted here on various wiki pages and those all clearly showed that the warming, and the C02 were not only not significant, but were currently at very low levels. Almost the lowest in history. And that the natural temp and co2 variation was massively greater through history LONG before we had the industrial revolution. And even long before humans existed. And so anything today was barely even registering in the noise by comparison. See the pics here above for example.

Her response was typical. Ignores the facts. Not interested in knowing at all. Its the "feelings" and the idealism, thats important only. She even admitted it. They are literally brainwashed by the media. By schools. By the IPCC. And all the cherry picked graph that forms their "consensus"... Clue. Science isnt a consensus. She is convinced the world and us are under some massive threat.

And carried on posting the same garbage through the streets letterboxes. Even after I showed her why it was irrelivant. Again this is green socialism. Head in sand. Logic and reason unimportant. Only the cause matters! They really are idiots.

You might guess that she was clueless about science. Esp climate science! As most media, politicals, and warmist nuts dont actally know anything other than the "party line". No idea even of how to understand what I was showing her. No clue that carefully cherry picking just the last few years of recent history (the hocky stick graph they all run around witt) means you can make it LOOK significant even when, its actuallyjust a tiny tiny blip in the scheme of things, lost in the noise. She wasnt interested in knowing the reality - the truth. To put it into perspective. Because that ruins her narrative that she has had conditioned into her by the leftists pulling all the levers. She THINKS she knows. But cant tell me how.

She doesent understand that her leaflet is just more lefty/green propaganda to brainwash the masses. Its not fact, and its not science. And its presented as both.

[Lord Chatterley]

I dunno why funky is so impressed by the warmist religion.

The official representatives of warmism have become the undisguised ideologists of the bourgeoisie and the existing state, if you ask me.

LC

[Burgerman]

Because he has fell for the bull. Hasnt looked out of the window. Doesent LIKE the facts. I should be under water 10 years ago if I had actually believed the claims from the 90s. The reality is that the UK on average has been seeing under 6mm per year of sea rise. And thats from long before the industrial revolution. And it hasnt speeded up. Those figures are easy to find. I can even go to my local docks gate. Theres a huge seal level height gauge there. It cut into the old original stone work on the dock gate pillars. A record of every tide, high and low watermark has been kept for hundreds of years. It conforms to the 4 to 6mm rate. No change due to the so called recent warming. Not to mention that scientific "consesus" when I was at school and long after was that we were headed for an ice age.

Good job we got a bit warmer then isnt it. Warmer = better for all life. It allows the green band around the equator to get wider and if theres enough warming it might spread green forrests to the poles (where it was for billions of years, why do you suppose theres oil in alaska??) Thats great! It means way more CO2 naturally gets locked up as trees and greenery. It means more land area for growing food to feed our human infestation. It means more space for animal life, and more plentiful food across the planet for them and us.

Life dies away during the ice ages that lasts billions of years. With just a narrow green strip at the equator, and half a mile deep ice as far south as new york. Life, and esp HUMAN life flourishes in the breif warm periods the earth sees. We are nearing the end of one right now. So even if the current warming IS partly related to humans releasing CO2 back into the atmosphere. Then I dont care! nd its not remotely proven. And the amount is extremely debatable. Whats more theres no sensible alternative available.

[sacharlie]

I just had a green party member at my door. Well to be fair I grabbed her. She was leafleting... Much of what was on that leaflet was plain wrong!

So I showed her some historical records that are similar to what I posted here on various wiki pages and those all clearly showed that the warming, and the C02 were not only not significant, but were currently at very low levels. Almost the lowest in history. And that the natural temp and co2 variation was massively greater through history LONG before we had the industrial revolution. And even long before humans existed. And so anything today was barely even registering in the noise by comparison. See the pics here above for example.

Her response was typical. Ignores the facts. Not interested in knowing at all. Its the "feelings" and the idealism, thats important only. She even admitted it. They are literally brainwashed by the media. By schools. By the IPCC. And all the cherry picked graph that forms their "consensus"... Clue. Science isnt a consensus. She is convinced the world and us are under some massive threat.

And carried on posting the same garbage through the streets letterboxes. Even after I showed her why it was irrelivant. Again this is green socialism. Head in sand. Logic and reason unimportant. Only the cause matters! They really are idiots.

You might guess that she was clueless about science. Esp climate science! As most media, politicals, and warmist nuts dont actally know anything other than the "party line". No idea even of how to understand what I was showing her. No clue that carefully cherry picking just the last few years of recent history (the hocky stick graph they all run around witt) means you can make it LOOK significant even when, its actuallyjust a tiny tiny blip in the scheme of things, lost in the noise. She wasnt interested in knowing the reality - the truth. To put it into perspective. Because that ruins her narrative that she has had conditioned into her by the leftists pulling all the levers. She THINKS she knows. But cant tell me how.

She doesent understand that her leaflet is just more lefty/green propaganda to brainwash the masses. Its not fact, and its not science. And its presented as both.

So you're just saying you did not get lucky.

[Burgerman]

Explain?

You mean in an attempt to chat her up?
You gota be joking. She was the typical lefty. All lesbianish and covered in piercings all over her head. I wuldnt have touched her with yours.

[sacharlie]

Explain?

You mean in an attempt to chat her up?
You gota be joking. She was the typical lefty. All lesbianish and covered in piercings all over her head. I wuldnt have touched her with yours.

LOL
Hairy armpits too!

[Burgerman]

Why is it that all the ones shouting the loudest about warming, like the green party member that bangs on your door. Or giving out leafelets (above) or the schoolgirl whose name I forget, always are the least informed. Know almost nothing about the science? Non of them can answer even the most basic questions and yet they are utterly convinced they are right?

You can ask ay of them simple stuff. They look at you blankly like we should all know they are right. But THEY dont know ANYTHING. Next time you see one. Ask them what the current CO2 level is. They will tell you anything but the correct answer. Its a miniscule 0.04%. And its mostly natural. Only a fraction of that tiny amount is HUMAN made CO2. Most of it is from the seas, from rotting vegitation, bugs, animals exhaling or exhausting...

Then ask how much water vapour there is in the atmosphere.They never know. Water is a FAR more important greenhouse gas that cannot be modelled.

The Arctic and Antarctic (and highest Alpine regions) may reach a low 0.2 percent minimum - FIVE TIMES as much as the mostly natral C02.
While the warmest tropics up to 4.5 percent water vapor. Thats 112 times as much as C02.

And water vapour causes more greenhouse effect than CO2 - even if it was the same concentration. Worse, depending on if this water vapour is forming clouds or not and the altitude, it may or may not cause heat to build or be reflected or held in... And no climate models can predict this because we do not have adequate knowledge to model it properly.

Ask them to comment. They will just keep repeating the same 118 IPCC scientists agree concensus nonsense. Because they are ignorant idiots.

[Lord Chatterley]

The Arctic and Antarctic (and highest Alpine regions) may reach a low 0.2 percent minimum - FIVE TIMES as much as the mostly natral C02.
While the warmest tropics up to 4.5 percent water vapor. Thats 112 times as much as C02.

And water vapour causes more greenhouse effect than CO2 - even if it was the same concentration. Worse, depending on if this water vapour is forming clouds or not and the altitude, it may or may not cause heat to build or be reflected or held in... And no climate models can predict this because we do not have adequate knowledge to model it properly.

Don't encourage them - they will be making kettles illegal next.

LC

[Burgerman]

Wel since kettles run off electricity or gas, and they are about to kill off gas, and they already closed most of the coal power stations and built super expensive windmills, that generate sod all most of the time, they basically already have.

[Burgerman]

Wel since kettles run off electricity or gas, and they are about to kill off gas, and they already closed most of the coal power stations and built super expensive windmills, that generate sod all most of the time, they basically already have.

[Lord Chatterley]

We have 23 trillion tonnes of accessible coal reserves merely using current technology - enough to last for centuries - but no, that clown Johnson has hitched his wagon to the green parade.

LC

[Burgerman]

Almost all people do. They think that 20 years of media and lefty bullshit/brainwashing is all scientifically sound and that its important. Because they do not look any deeper. They dont have a clue. One look at this page alone shows that its all hype and bollox. The more you look into the real details the more rediculous it looks.

[Lord Chatterley]

Sir Jim Ratcliffe (Ineos) buys BP’s global petrochemicals business for £5bn as BP continues its push away from fossil fuels to achieve net zero emissions by 2050 in line with the genius strategy of BP's new chief executive, Mr. Looney.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/06/29/bp-sellspetrochemicals-division-5bn/

LC

[Burgerman]

youtu.be/ciStnd9Y2ak

[Gnomatic]

I totally agree with him re nuclear power. Especially using reactor designs that aren't 50yrs old. NuScale is company working on small modular plants. TerraPower has a traveling-wave reactor design that could run off nuclear waste. A pilot plant was being built in China, but it became a casualty of Trump's trade war.

[Burgerman]

wHATS wrong with all the mega cheap coal that we have at least a century of?