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Re: An op-ed from a successful capitalis

Postby Vitolds » 20 Feb 2018, 14:50

:lol:
you say "trust me"? :lol:
I remember the Soviet Union, I do not need to tell the tale.
All the time (the Soviet Union - Russia), the state was under sanctions. This is bad for the economy. this is one of the reasons for the collapse of the USSR.
But there were many reasons ....
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Re: An op-ed from a successful capitalis

Postby Vitolds » 20 Feb 2018, 15:25

happiness is not measured by the pools and cars.
in the Soviet Union was free
1. housing
2. kindergarten for children (from 6 months to 6 years)
3. school
4. The College
5. Higher education institution
6. Health
This is a person's need for a normal life.
now in Russia for free
Give free strollers Meyra, Otto Bock
Make free prostheses
The state pays for the birth of a child (for the first, for the second, for the third).
pregnant women are paid an annual salary and pay 50% of their salary for 1.5 years
apartments only do not give free ...
If you did not "impose" your democracy, it would be even better. :)
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Re: An op-ed from a successful capitalis

Postby Burgerman » 20 Feb 2018, 19:49

happiness is not measured by the pools and cars.


It wasnt meant as a measure of happiness but of spare wealth. The wealth that allows people to live healthy safe lives.

in the Soviet Union was free
1. housing

Seen it. You are welcome to it!
2. kindergarten for children (from 6 months to 6 years)
3. school
4. The College

Same.
5. Higher education institution

Same with free loans that you only repay when/if you earn large sums later in life.
6. Health

same.
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Re: An op-ed from a successful capitalis

Postby Lord Chatterley » 20 Feb 2018, 20:08



This is where he goes wrong - at the very beginning when he says SPENDING is the source of wealth.

It obviously isn't. Production is.

Spending, in a civilized society, is not constituted by people bartering everyone else's stolen loot. Spending consists of trading your production with someone else's production.

Your capacity to demand the production supplied by others is constituted entirely by the production which you supply to the market.

This is Say's Law - and neither nor I nor Reich nor anyone else can change that.

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Re: An op-ed from a successful capitalis

Postby Vitolds » 20 Feb 2018, 21:19

Burgerman wrote:

I do not understand you
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Re: An op-ed from a successful capitalis

Postby Lord Chatterley » 20 Feb 2018, 21:29

Vitolds wrote::lol:
you say "trust me"? :lol:
I remember the Soviet Union, I do not need to tell the tale.
All the time (the Soviet Union - Russia), the state was under sanctions. This is bad for the economy. this is one of the reasons for the collapse of the USSR.
But there were many reasons ....


Yes, like the fact it was a totalitarian state, with a command economy, no free press, no free elections, no trial by jury, no right of assembly, no habeas corpus, no presumption of innocence, endless political trials, asset forfeitures and 'plans, plans, plans,' no private property, no private ownership of producers' goods, no competitive bidding for the factors of production - just one vast slave state with no hope of escape.

But apart from that rather jolly - Corbyn's dream come true.

Here's a movie based on a novel by a woman who actually lived through the early days of the glorious Soviet experiment. I recommend to all:


youtu.be/YwWFsQOpGck

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Re: An op-ed from a successful capitalis

Postby Vitolds » 20 Feb 2018, 22:04

I lived under socialism, now capitalism.
my family is Russians and Americans.
you see only one side.
I can differentiate amongst and one and another.
everywhere there are pros and cons.
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Re: An op-ed from a successful capitalis

Postby Burgerman » 20 Feb 2018, 22:22

Yes, like the fact it was a totalitarian state, with a command economy, no free press, no free elections, no trial by jury, no right of assembly, no habeas corpus, no presumption of innocence, endless political trials, asset forfeitures and 'plans, plans, plans,' no private property, no private ownership of producers' goods, no competitive bidding for the factors of production - just one vast slave state with no hope of escape.


And 10 million dead. Similar in china. What are the pro's? I dont see any.
And why has every socialist system on the planet collapsed in extreme poverty or hunger or worse or is in the process of doing so now?

And why is it that all the most civilised countries in the free world with greatest safety and greatest freedoms and the longest lifespans all happen to be better developed capitalist economies?

The experiment was run. In a third of the world or more. For 60 to 70 years. The results were extremely clear. Socialism always fails to provide and causes suffering, death, and no freedom. Capitalism always works everywhere its tried.
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Re: An op-ed from a successful capitalis

Postby Lord Chatterley » 21 Feb 2018, 12:33

There are no upsides to being a slave though 48% of people in the UK seem to think otherwise.

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Re: An op-ed from a successful capitalis

Postby Burgerman » 21 Feb 2018, 15:33

Its because corbin/marxist/liberal leftist brainwashing is applied heavily in schools, colleges and universities by the elite and frankly stupid acedemics teaching these kids. For 10 years or so. So armies of morons armed with no experience or memory, zero history of the failings of communist/socialist death and starvation and poverty inflicted countries leave school and get a vote each year.

They all "know" that their conditioned ideals of multiculturalism, and worse moralistic attitude to equality means that they all hate capitalism with the same vengence as their socialist tutors. Even though they do not understand what capitalism actually is. And taking from the rich to hand to those that are not seems to fit! So they all vote for poverty, lack of freedom, starvation, and to make the poor even poorer or dead in the future. By voting for the EU socialist superstate.

So obviously to these idiots the non democratic, socialist superstate, that turns us all into the soviet republic of equality of poverty overun by muslims is a GREAT idea! :clap
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Re: An op-ed from a successful capitalis

Postby Burgerman » 21 Feb 2018, 23:10

ON BBC news right now, a special showing the huge food shortage and starvation beginning and other major issues for fuel, work, heat, housing in socialist venuzuala whose hospitals are now powerless with no drugs. Getting worse at an ever accelerating rate.

In a country with masses of natural resources and more oil reserves than any other country in the world you might find that increadible. Dubai has less oil, where the traffic cops drive ferraris and lamborghinis. Socialism, in venuzuala, was held up proudly as a model thet showed it could work by that moron corbin a few years back. Now, predictably a few years on theres literally nothing on the supermarket shelves... What a tit he is. And all the other socialist elites/media.

They, the biased left bbc, call it "government miss-management" and never mention the real reason... I mean, how can their socialist views be wrong! Again. Socialism always start great, things look good initially. Then the shit hits the fan. They run out of other peoples money.
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Re: An op-ed from a successful capitalis

Postby Lord Chatterley » 24 Feb 2018, 08:33

I'm sure they will find some excuse to blame America.


youtu.be/fNjtpksJD4s

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Re: An op-ed from a successful capitalis

Postby Burgerman » 24 Feb 2018, 12:22

The socialist corbin left wing extremist said the same thing about venuzuala in many speeches about how great socialism was and held it up as a shining example. In fact the only example since all the others had already gone bust, or were close to it. And at that time I gave it a few years before venuzuala would go the same way. As is pretty obvious to anyone with a clue.

All failed or failing socialist countries ALWAYS blame every country around them. And blame literally everything except their stupid marxist system.

Do you know what never fails, and always drags a country up and makes it richer, including the poor? Capitalism! The freer they are to own, run, invent, invest, employ others, compete, better it ALWAYS works.

What a complete tit corbin is. And all the morons that vote for him or socialism.
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Re: An op-ed from a successful capitalis

Postby Lord Chatterley » 28 Feb 2018, 03:02

Yaron Brook - "socialism is based on the notion that you should sacrifice for the sake of others:"


youtu.be/zJL5ykIxYRQ

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Re: An op-ed from a successful capitalis

Postby Burgerman » 20 Mar 2018, 10:50

Venuzuela.
One of the last remaining socialist countries. They are still surviving. But getteing worse fast.

Quick description.
The largest oil reserves of any country anywhere. They should be fabulously rich.
However, while they are not completely socialist yet, they wanted to be and went part way so far. Socialism is a totalitarian idea so it must be completed in order for everyone to live in fairyland where everyone has what they need and all are equal. There are still some self employed however there, and plenty of property and business owners etc still remaining. But they are all basically now bankrupt, they have enough socialism to cause starvation. With almost no ability to make or sell anything. No food on shelves, no goods, no drugs or medical supplies, no anything without wheelbarrows full of money caused by crazy inflation, and a massive wait/search for a shop with products to sell.

Inflation now at 700% and rising exponentially, and money worth almost nothing. Not that this matters because GDP has collapsed and so 3 dollars a MONTH is now a typical wage. So even if there were goods to buy, they couldnt afford it. They buy bitcoin, because thats doesent half its value every week. Although they cant afford much of it obviously. Centrally planned economies, high taxation to make the wealth equal across the people. No rich/poor. No super rich, they equalised pay. They got rid of the rich/poor gap by taxation. And central planning, gov ownership of big business.

That socialist idealism has worked its usual magic yet again. :clap And any idiot that sees how the world works could have so easily predicted it in advance. Or look at history. Every single last time. Everyone except marxist/socialist/communists/left wing idiots. And they blame everyone else!
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Re: An op-ed from a successful capitalis

Postby sacharlie » 20 Mar 2018, 15:12

This is your website. We all know that. But to hijack someone's OP by injecting the issue of socialism, which has nothing to do with the OP on taxation, and to continue to carry that hijack on and on is a bit much.
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Re: An op-ed from a successful capitalis

Postby Burgerman » 20 Mar 2018, 16:59

Every thread here goes off at a tangent, based on the previous post. Just like any conversation does. I dont even remember the original post, unless I go back and read it. So I will.

Reading link...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/09/opin ... ght-region

You STILL dont understand that taxing business and adding regulation is a socialist thing? That not taxing business and letting it do what the market naturally demands is a capitalist thing? Amazed. czy Because really I despair. So far from hijacking, it is directly relevant by way of showing the opposite to cutting corporation tax. Contrast and compare. Show by example. Extremes simply show the result more clearly.

The article was called: Why corporate tax cuts wont create jobs. (incorrect socialist viewpoint by one businessman).
And I absolutely disagree with that writer massively. He is simply wrong and in so many demostrable ways, and ignores many important things. And its relatively easy to show he's wrong just by example alone. And now, by showing what happens when the exact opposite is done (as in socialism, and venzuela who are taxing business heavily), this absolutely IS relevant! Contrast and compare. Show by example.

Because it shows that wealth redistribution by the heavy taxation of corporations, business generally, does the exact opposite of creating jobs. And wealth. And products, food, money. To clearly see the effect of something, such a taxing corporates, businesses, etc you must look at the opposite extremes to better see the result. Venuzuela is the extreme opposite of tax cuts for business. They taxed it very heavily and paid the price. And that worked out just great! Now they dont eat. Earn 3 dollars a month, 700% inflation, no medical care, and theres nothing to buy! Which is why its absolutely relevant to post number one :problem:

Just like every country that attempts to tax the rich lots, to tax business heavily, to support the poor etc. Why do you suppose trump just lowered taxation on business? At least he got that right. There are already plenty of companies relocating to, or moving back to the US. Creating ore jobs. And once workers are in shorter supply and zero workers on the job market the upward pressure on wages has to start to get the scarce employees with required skills to work at a given company. Capitalism. Free trade/wages/market.

https://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/02/like-gr ... alism.html And then ask why peurto rico is about to go bust, and still hasnt got the lights back on.
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