Trying to cover trump's ass.

[Burgerman]

And they will tell you that this is Russia.

THEY will only tell us this is russia if the evidence shows that it is true. We do not live in a society that is so full of lies to its own people as you do. At least not to the same level you do. So we do not have the same need to question what we are told. Esp in this case. The evidence is freely available to examine. There Is no anti russia conspiracy in the west. Only concern for your actions.

[Vitolds]

why do you think that they are lying to us?
I now communicate with you, who forbids me?
Can not I have something to ask you?
What nonsense!
do you think that we blindfolded?

[Burgerman]

Pretty much.

[Vitolds]

[Burgerman]

One example. In a free society, you would want to vote. Because there would be real options, alternative candidates. Yet you have the pretence of elections, just to hide the autocracy that means just putin can win... You are fed on state news. Propaganda. You are no more a democracy in the free open western world sense than when you were all communist. Its an illusion. The free, democratic, and open, society wih real free press, free news, low corruption, and fairness, with true free choices hasnt quite arrived in russia yet... Even though you may think it has. Look at the crimea and ukraine for eg. Shooting down airliners, chemical weapons in syria etc. That isnt acceptable. Yes putin always denies everything. But hes not gaining any freinds.

[Vitolds]

look at the Crimea and ukraine?
Do not want to see it yourself? for the sake of interest, at least.
the plane hit Ukraine, if the plane was hit by Russia everywhere there were photos from satellites.
I'm sure you understand.
free press?
Who closes RT?
in Russia all your media work, no one interferes with them.
elections! no problems! the main thing is that you were a citizen of Russia and respected the law.
Western democracy?
why do we need it? why should we live by the "Western", we do not need this!
We have our own life and our own country.
leave your democracy for yourself.

[Vitolds]

look it up Ukraine
like?
https://www.google.com/search?q=%D1%83% ... 80&bih=679

[Burgerman]

You searched for nazi so wha did you expect to see?

RT? We have rules for free unbiased press. RT is a russia owned propaganda version of the news. So it is possibly going to be stopped as part of a bunch of sanctions for the bad behaviour. Personally I dont care since I can hear what is propaganda and ignore it!

[Vitolds]

now it is called Ukraine
this is reality

[Burgerman]

Ask yourself why the suicide rate is massively higher in russia than anywhere in the EU or USA? Is it because its a nice place to live?

Ask yourself why the average lifespan is 5 to 6 years less in your country than the EU or US? And suicide is only a tiny part of this. Is it because your people are healthier? Most are not and they die sooner. The few rich from corruption or whatever CHOOSE to live in a safer better western country. Here... London is full of them. They run away from putins poverty and lack of freedom/choice.

Why not vote for someone that prioritises business, trade, to earn some money for your country? To pay for better medical care, real freedom, better food standards - less heart problems, better economy and less depression and alcoholism, more of everything you need to reverse the trends above? Oh yes, you cant!

[Vitolds]

number of suicides?
20 people per 100 000
Look at the history of sanctions against Russia.
immediately it becomes clear what the reason is.
it makes it difficult to develop, it limits development.

[Vitolds]

John, they run away from the law!
stealing, that's the reason for the escape

[Burgerman]

Look at the history of sanctions against Russia.
immediately it becomes clear what the reason is.
it makes it difficult to develop, it limits development.

Why do you suppose there are sanctions?

Why not vote in a ruler that doesent keep invading or annexing or murdering people in london, using nerve gas in syria, or, or, or...

Why not vote in someone that behaves less like an autocrat/dictator and someone that puts people like you and the countries economy, and peoples freedom first?

Correct. You cant! And you then say you dont want our democracy. So that is your problem. And yes your suicide rate is FAR higher than the EU or U and in fact one of the highest in the world including 3rd world desperate places. Which tells us all we need to know.

All socialist and all badly behaved countries always blame sanctions. Why do you think the EU and US dont have sanctions? Because we respect rules and peoples rights. Thats what freedom is. You dont have it, and do not behave in a way that allows it, to the world. So sanctions. Wrist slapped.

[Vitolds]

john you do not want to hear what I'm telling you.
running in a circle.

[Burgerman]

Well you havent said anything that makes sense yet. Try again?

[Vitolds]

John you have someone poisoned, you do not give any information.
communication through the media, it's ridiculous!
blame the country without evidence, is this correct?
Your Boris says that you should not go to football in Russia.
what connection between football and two corpses is not clear who killed them.
John is a circus show!
John, you said that Hussein had chemical weapons, then they said that they were mistaken. Is not it?
in Iraq, 2 million people died from your troops. Does not that scare you? Is this your democracy?

[Vitolds]

John if you think that Russia has poisoned this person, can ask Russia for an "antidote" to cure a person?
Let Russian specialists come to him?
the girl (daughter) is a Russian citizen, you do not allow our specialists.
John is what?

[Burgerman]

John you have someone poisoned, you do not give any information.
communication through the media, it's ridiculous!
blame the country without evidence, is this correct?

No. We have the evidence.

Your Boris says that you should not go to football in Russia.
what connection between football and two corpses is not clear who killed them.

Its extremely clear who killed them.

John is a circus show!
John, you said that Hussein had chemical weapons, then they said that they were mistaken. Is not it?
in Iraq, 2 million people died from your troops. Does not that scare you? Is this your democracy?

He CLAIMED to have them. And in the past has had them and used them killing millions of his own people. So yes, he should have been stopped regrdless of these weapons that the west believed he had. The fact that they didnt turn up, was a mistake. But not one that mattered. And for what its worth, democracy has nothing to do with this!

[Vitolds]

Give proof!

[Burgerman]

Proof of what?

[Lord Chatterley]

Do you seriously think that Russians need to poison someone?
do you have a brain working?
if the secret services had to kill this man, I think he would have got under the car or something like that.
any military man will laugh at you in person, after such stupid accusations.
who have the brains of a hen, will believe this poisoning.

Absolute power always corrupts absolutely. Putin was merely sending a message to his perceived enemies - he doesn't care what others think or consider how they will react. See 11.05


youtu.be/z8tJzsFEq8M

LC

[Lord Chatterley]

Give proof!

I would certainly like to see more evidence before embarking on sanctions against Russia. Sanctions will only hurt ordinary Russians in any case - and I like Russians.


youtu.be/fDuSONULNXk

LC

[Burgerman]

He has a history of this kind of thing though.

If your neibours dog bites people a lot, when you hear a lot of barking and see someone thats been bitten running away, you dont need much in the way of evidence to understand what happened. Again.

Real reason, is that to maintain his hold on power in the light of a colapsing economy and lots of poverty he has to distract the people from the reality with acts of nationalism, shows of strength etc.

I also like russian people. Sadly let down by a dictator that isnt accountable to the people. And a lack of freedom.

[Vitolds]

it is difficult to talk with you.
Putin is bad, Putin is a dictator, you are like parrots.
Putin raises the country and returns everything that others have stolen.
All (many thieves) are in your London.
Do you understand what they really stole from the people? They plundered the people!
1990 - 2000 years.
Litvenenko.
All the criminal case of London secret! Not a single document was handed over to russia. Do you know this?
Any charges must be proved.

PS.
Understand that you are deceived by these oligarchs - thieves, you give them money for the opposition of power, but they do not do anything.
And they will not do it! They are now making money for you!
You are naive
We see what they are giving an interview, this is a comedy.

[Lord Chatterley]

Yes, Putin has quite a long history.

It's tragic - if you watch the video on Russians in London they say exactly the same thing - it's Russians doing all this to themselves.

LC

[Vitolds]

it's not tragic, it's "business".
you pay them, for the interview, for stories about the bad way, for the opposition.
It's profitable!
You give money yourself.
You give money to crooks and believe them, it's stupid and naive.
To understand Russia, it is necessary to communicate with the people of Russia and not for money.

[Lord Chatterley]

It's only "business" if the oligarchs are friends of Putin.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/04/mega-rich-homes-tour-london-oligarchs-russia-alexei-navalny-putin

If they are opponents of Putin they are enemies of "The People."

This is a historical pattern: mass purges and executions followed a few decades later by mass pardons. I hope that the era of mass executions is finally over.

It is nevertheless, terribly, terribly sad.

LC

[Vitolds]

It's only "business" if the oligarchs are friends of Putin.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/04/mega-rich-homes-tour-london-oligarchs-russia-alexei-navalny-putin

If they are opponents of Putin they are enemies of "The People."

This is a historical pattern: mass purges and executions followed a few decades later by mass pardons. I hope that the era of mass executions is finally over.

It is nevertheless, terribly, terribly sad.

LC

please check your every word.

[Burgerman]

We dont need to. We are not living in a mass propaganda country. That propaganda has worked on you and your people. We see the truth, from free agencies, free countries. Open minds. Our governments dont go around making people disapear, or not allowing them to form or fight a proper alternative party in your fixed elections. We also see what putin is doing. And we see the problems your country faces because of him, your system, corruption, etc. Nobody hates russian people. We dont like your system or its corruption because it is evil. You are heading back the wrong way.

[Lord Chatterley]

It's only "business" if the oligarchs are friends of Putin.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/04/mega-rich-homes-tour-london-oligarchs-russia-alexei-navalny-putin

If they are opponents of Putin they are enemies of "The People."

This is a historical pattern: mass purges and executions followed a few decades later by mass pardons. I hope that the era of mass executions is finally over.

It is nevertheless, terribly, terribly sad.

LC

please check your every word.

It is a fact that Putin himself acknowledged when he opened the "Wall of Grief" memorial to the hundreds of thousands of Russians executed in political purges and yet even today millions of Russians still long for the good old days of unlimited government.

Sad.

You should watch that documentary on Russians in London.

LC