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France's Macron vs The Common Man

Postby F3Head » 03 Mar 2019, 23:36

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... demos.html

Looks like Macron hates disabled people… Viva la revolution…

I can't wait for the upcoming May EU election. It should be great fun to watch.

Next up… New British referendum! The Brits didn't really think they would be able to leave the EU did they?

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Re: France's Macron vs The Common Man

Postby Burgerman » 04 Mar 2019, 14:02

The real problem since the war is the french people. They are basically very socialistic. Over the years they only want socialist leaning governments, with way too much employment protection, and too many hols, gov handouts, artificial minimum wage levels etc. Its made business very hard, and has gradually made the french people poorer and poorer whilst they think that it is helping the lower and working classes. Its done the opposite. Low GDP etc, and now the average working class person has trouble paying the bills, and has a low standard of living. So they think they want MORE socialism to help them! The usual, tax the 1% bullshit etc.

So now we have macron. An EU loving (which is socialist by its very nature) and green loving (Green is also a socialist thing, it forces everyone to pay to "save the planet" through heavy taxation/subsidies etc. And he is a centerist. He can see that the strangling regulations, employment laws, hurt business and so to make society richer, he brought in many employment reforms. The socialist french didnt like that. Then he taxed the fuel to be green... They didnt like that either. Hence all the rioting. The real issue is that they are poorer than they ever were in the past. Driven that way by consecutive socialist governments. And they cant understand that this is why. Roll on venuzuala. Then macron tried to fix it. His mistake was to also promote green fuel tax and make it unafordable. So he did one thing right. But not the other.
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Re: France's Macron vs The Common Man

Postby Burgerman » 04 Mar 2019, 14:06

And yes we WILL be leaving as the alternative will make the riots in france look tame.

The problem there is that the PEOPLE all voted badly. We were supposed to vote remain. And the political classes and media are still fighting that result. And parliment is majority remainers. And that includes may. They are all fighting to stay in, against the wishes of the voters. They have tried every legal, and other thing to stop it. It will happen though. Eventually. I have confidence in the system, if not those in power. They just dont like it.
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Re: France's Macron vs The Common Man

Postby greybeard » 04 Mar 2019, 18:24

Nail on head from Lord Tebbit - again.
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Re: France's Macron vs The Common Man

Postby martin007 » 04 Mar 2019, 19:53

Europe is in free fall.
The people of Europe are stressed.
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Re: France's Macron vs The Common Man

Postby Burgerman » 04 Mar 2019, 20:12

Well they should be. Like the idiots they are, the political classes turned the beneficial COMMON MARKET which was a simple common TRADE area, with no tarrifs, taxation etc. That we all signed up for. Into a centrally controlled socialist all controlling superstate that is ever growing.

It thinks we need another socialist superstate like the last eastern european USSR one that recently collapsed in poverty and starvation. The political classes love this massive project. The people however have more sense. The reason that the EU is in a state of iminent collapse is obvious to me.

1. Socialism dosent ever work.
2. All this centralisation, control over what each country does, cant ever work. LOCALised control is needed as everywhere is different. And they have taken that away. Even the EURO that we opted out of, cant work. Italy, greece, and spain and others cannot devalue their currency to allow them to have competitive exports. So all the most industrialised efficient countries like germany are at an advantage. And the mediteranian countries are at a disadvantage.
3. And EU rules... A simple pillow on your bed must comply and be tested and has over 100 regulations. How can any small business compete?
4. Liberalism. Gone mad. Nobody wants milions of african or middle eastern migrants that are not a good fit in the west to ruin our way of life.

Hence the BREXIT and we wont be that last to leave this sinking ship. There is a rise of the people (the political classes call this populism and look at it in disgust, it means the will of the population) is causing them problems. All over the EU there is countries like hungary, czecloslovakia, poland the dutch, austria, sweden, and even germany and france and italy with anti immigration and anti EU parties doing extremely well. And the eurozone is also failing. Going into recession.

It will all end badly. Caused by ever creeping centralization, sotialism, and overly liberal attitudes of the EUs unelected leaders. The people have a habit of being right and they have begun to wake up.
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Re: France's Macron vs The Common Man

Postby martin007 » 04 Mar 2019, 21:41

It is clear that the European Union is not working.
Anyway, in times of crisis, someone has to be blamed.


In my province people do not want to work because there are many social benefits for the unemployed.
Recently the minimum wage has gone up a lot, but people want more.
Officials consider themselves gods and have salaries of Gods.
Similar problems exist in other countries.


"We all want more (money)".
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Re: France's Macron vs The Common Man

Postby Burgerman » 04 Mar 2019, 21:56

In my province people do not want to work because there are many social benefits for the unemployed.

Socialism. Nobody works, because they get free money. Why bother. So production is LOW. And ineficient. GDP is then low. And everyone is getting poorer over time.

Recently the minimum wage has gone up a lot, but people want more.

All minimum wage does is price those that need work the most, with the least skills and abilities out of a job. So they need more help, free money from te government, The result is again the socialists speciality. Every person gets poorer, because low GDP. Roll on venuzuala.

Officials consider themselves gods and have salaries of Gods.
Similar problems exist in other countries.

Those at the top ALWAYS have bigger wages. Salaries of gods. Thats the result of capitalism. It always does 2 things.
1. Huge wealth gap. Inequality.
2. Makes everyones living standards higher. Esp the poor as the rich have enough of everything anyway.

"We all want more (money)".

Money isnt wealth, or living standards. In venuzuala they all have huge piles of money. They use it as paper to wipe their backsides on, or to burn to keep warm. But are starving to death, and all the hospitals, fuel stations, and shops with food or clothes are EMPTY. That is the end result of too much socialism. Maduro continued the "work" of the socialist hero before him. He continued to make the poor richer. He did what all socialists do. He reduced the gap between the rich and the poor by increasing benefits, minimum wages, centralised control, and wealth redistribution (like the EU) and that worked great! Till he ran out of other peoples money. As happens every single last time! And will soon happen in france and maybe even italy.
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Re: France's Macron vs The Common Man

Postby Burgerman » 04 Mar 2019, 22:04

Socialism, working great! 3000% minimum wage increase! Almost everyone fired.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -venezuela
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Re: France's Macron vs The Common Man

Postby martin007 » 04 Mar 2019, 22:10

And will soon happen in france and maybe even italy.


It is already happening.


Those at the top ALWAYS have bigger wages. Salaries of gods. Thats the result of capitalism.


The salaries of Spanish officials are supported only by high taxes and public debt.
The expense of the Spanish state is not viable.
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Re: France's Macron vs The Common Man

Postby F3Head » 04 Mar 2019, 22:27

"It thinks we need another socialist superstate like the last eastern european USSR one that recently collapsed in poverty and starvation. The political classes love this massive project. The people however have more sense. The reason that the EU is in a state of iminent collapse is obvious to me. "

The problem is I don't think the people have more sense! The socialism bug is spreading and now in play in the US as well. Just look at Bernie Sanders and Alexandra Cortez…the first step is to get the idea into play and everything else will take care of itself. Socialists and Democrats are patient if nothing else.

interesting times…F3HEAD
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Re: France's Macron vs The Common Man

Postby martin007 » 04 Mar 2019, 22:31

China is a socialist and capitalist state.
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Re: France's Macron vs The Common Man

Postby F3Head » 04 Mar 2019, 22:32

On a bright note however, Estonia took a step in the right direction with the recent elections.

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Re: France's Macron vs The Common Man

Postby F3Head » 04 Mar 2019, 22:37

martin007 wrote:China is a socialist and capitalist state.


Indeed China is weird political animal. But I think their day of reckoning will be coming soon. I think the people of China if given a choice would probably take freedom and democracy if they could get it. Eventually I think they will get it…how they get there remains to be seen.

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Re: France's Macron vs The Common Man

Postby martin007 » 04 Mar 2019, 22:51

You are from Estonia?
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Re: France's Macron vs The Common Man

Postby Burgerman » 05 Mar 2019, 00:34

When they were communist with a socialist economic system they were the poorest on the planet, diad early no heat, food, power, medical care, etc and there few roads that existen were full of bycicles if they could afford one. They literally ate dead babies or worse for protein. Then 50 years ago they took a look at capitalism in hong kong. Where people would travel thousands of miles to reach, where there was no natural resources, no cheap place to live, etc. The difference? Very free market capitalism. Free trade, and you could keep what you earned, and employ and fire whowever you wanted. So they were way richer than the chinese. And more importantly FREE to run their lives. Inequality? LOTS! But the poor were still much richer in hong kong that the average working chinese...

So the socialistic communist chinese did an experiment in a few small areas that were basically poor towns. They grew rich. By allowing ownership of property, and free trade - which is capitalism. Which is totally against their idealism. So yes its a strange mix. After 50 years the rich poor gap is MASSIVE in china. They have many superich. Yet the poor now have heat, food, power, medical care, and live twice as long... With better more comfortable lives. Embrace that inequality, its what makes the system and the place you live rich.

Socialists want equality of outcome.
Capitalists want equality of OPPORTUNITY!

And freedom.
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Re: France's Macron vs The Common Man

Postby sacharlie » 05 Mar 2019, 02:40

Burgerman wrote:
Socialists want equality of outcome.
Capitalists want equality of OPPORTUNITY!



That's pretty much textbook. Do as I say not as I do. Here in the USA we have SS, SSI, SSDI, Medicare and Medicaid which are fundamental to any advanced social order and also socialistic. At the same time the few, that run the country here, have carved out additional large socialistic benefits onto themselves while touting the USA is nothing but pure and true capitalism. In other words there is little "equality of opportunity" to go around.
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Re: France's Macron vs The Common Man

Postby Burgerman » 05 Mar 2019, 11:32

That's pretty much textbook. Do as I say not as I do. Here in the USA we have SS, SSI, SSDI, Medicare and Medicaid which are fundamental to any advanced social order and also socialistic.


Yes. Every successful modern system has this. The secret is to keep it under control (unlike the french and to some degree here).

At the same time the few, that run the country here, have carved out additional large socialistic benefits onto themselves while touting the USA is nothing but pure and true capitalism. In other words there is little "equality of opportunity" to go around.

The few that run the country were voted in by YOU. What they do is either corupt or socialistic. The regulations, controls, rules, and complication and complete distortion of the free market IS socialism. Unregulated free market trade, ownership of property and freedom to employ, expand, manufacture etc is capitalism. In other words a FREE non regulated market economy which you no longer have. So vote a few in that are not socialists. Worst case vote in the likes of your sanders! You will get everything YOU want. Followed by massive problems 10 or 20 years down the line like venuzuala.

Success depends of a capitalist economic model, with a socialist limited carefully controlled safety net. One that doesent start down the wealth redistribution marxist model. Because thats been tested to death quite literally. And its doing it again in venuzuala right now. The 101st demonstration of why socialism and wealth redistribution is plain stupid! And still they dont get it.
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Re: France's Macron vs The Common Man

Postby Scooterman » 05 Mar 2019, 13:13

A bit of anarchy is what we need. Make people grow up and take responsibility for their own lives rather than relying on the nanny state.
Politicians will always waste money because it's not their money.
Localism, communities, co-operation, WD.com is a good example, not bureaucratic centralized government.
If people need a helping hand, give them the money so they can spend it wisely themselves. If they fritter it away, hard luck, they will learn a worthwhile lesson and be more responsible next time.
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Re: France's Macron vs The Common Man

Postby Burgerman » 06 Mar 2019, 04:47

Bad choices. Frittering away money.

I just listened to a typical story.

One of my carers who rents a house (money down a black hole) who smokes (20 a day is around 10 uk pounds, so 280 per month!) has a phone contract and a new iphone (god knows how much) and broadband, TV on credit, etc etc is always claiming poverty.

She just bought 15 rolls of some stickyback plastic grey film to modernise here wood effect kitchen. At 8 pounds a roll. Now without looking I know it will look worse after its done. Its a bodge. Whats more its not even her kitchen. So when its done she achieved nothing, and will rip it all off again because it looks terrible. That money should have been put in the bank to save for a deposit so she can BUY a house. But shes pregnant again, and so more expense... And out of cigarettes. And out of money. She lives her life like this.

I had a previous carer that worked only for me. She listened. She got a mortgage in a resession, after me telling her to BUY the house she was renting from the landlord if he would sell. That was 15 years ago. Her house is almost paid, she has a car, and has money in the bank. Currently having a NEW kitchen fitted in her own house for cash she saved. Different choices in life.
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Re: France's Macron vs The Common Man

Postby martin007 » 07 Mar 2019, 00:18

Each person focuses his life in a different way.
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Re: France's Macron vs The Common Man

Postby Burgerman » 07 Mar 2019, 02:16

Yes.

But 2 people with the SAME income can after a few years end up with vastly different amounts of wealth and be comfortable and secure in life or not know how to pay the food/heat/rent a week away.

You end up with one guy struggling to exist and pay rent.
And the other guy with a house paid for, no mortgage, a new car, and a swimming pool.

Takes about 20 years of sensible or stupid life choices. With the SAME income. I have watched this happen.
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Re: France's Macron vs The Common Man

Postby martin007 » 08 Mar 2019, 21:36

There are people who live "Carpe Diem".
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Re: France's Macron vs The Common Man

Postby Burgerman » 09 Mar 2019, 00:22

carpe diem
/ˌkɑːpeɪ ˈdiːɛm,ˈdʌɪɛm/
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exclamation: carpe diem

used to urge someone to make the most of the present time and give little thought to the future.



Yes that. But the thing is they are STUPID. Because that "present time" soon becomes a future time and they live in that future for most of their lives. So their "present time" becomes worse and worse!

The problem is that we get people like the disabled living on benefits. Us... We all get the same basic allowance with the same level of disability. Many claim they are forced to use food banks, charity, get thrown out because they claim they cant pay the rent, and / or live in often dirty houses, use manual chairs because they cant afford a powerchair, and have nothing at all to pay for essentials, or furniture.

Then we have another group wth the same disabilities, living in comfort in clean houses, immaculately decorated, clean, spotless kitchens and bathrooms, vacuumed carpets often bought or on a mortgage rather than rented, with new cars, and money saved. Theres a massive difference between these two extremes. And very little in the middle.

So how much SHOULD the government give us? Remember that the tax payer pays this. Its tax. So reduces the standard of living for all.

Question.
Should it be enough for the "carpe diem" or those of us that understand how to make money work that look to the future? The gov handout arguments we hear daily on the news.

Because theres lots of your carpe diem living in poverty or homeless. Always shown on TV. Yet I know many like me that dont live that way. Theres also those that live pretty well, on the same amount of money.
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