WheelchairDriver

Is headed for decades of getting poorer and poorer...
The people there have just given the stupid socialiast party double the votes of the next best party. You couldnt make it up. And this drift towards liberalism and socialism is happening across europe. They all seem to have forgotten the last century.

With the far right Vox party pro EU it was a strange election. The socialist parties did well, hardly unexpected in a country where everyone goes to sleep in the afternoon. I hated working there nothing ever gets done and reliant upon the EU funding major projects.

Once all the countries that pay in to the EU like the UK germany, etc even france have left, gone broke, etc then all the others that take out of the EU will be screwed...

France wont be far behind, they elected a stupid proEU centerist. But he wants reforms of overly powerful socialist employment and benefit rules and wanted to lower the minimum wage. Instead they made him RAISE it! And the socialist loving french wont allow any socialist style employment or business rules to be relaxed. So they are also screwed sometime soon! They already complain of empty shops and inability to pay the bills. Because business is held to ransom. sO THEY WANT more FREEBIES... Germany is now in recession. Well done the socialist leader mercal. Italy in debt and recession. Greece? A former country. And most of the rest are ex communist and the cities are now deserted. The likes of poland, czeck, etc are all over here...

So the EU and the euro will collapse economically and splinter as there are now just too many euro sceptic countries. Wait till the EU elections! That will be fun. And hopefully we will be well out of the mess. But we are being screwed by parliment... Who are refusing to LEAVE.

Everything goes to shit!

Thats entopy.



Carved on Boltzmanns grave. Which is quite apt when you think about it.

I don´t undertand you.

In physics theres a thing called entropy.
Basically it is about complex stuff like determinism, and the fact that time only runs in one direction and why that is. And that in the beginning the world was very ordered. Just pure energy. Simple no? And it gets ever more complex and gradually gets less ordered over time. In the same way that you can break a glass and make many parts. But it takes a lot more effort to put a broken glass back together. Or easy to stir cream into your coffee, but almost imposible to get it back out.

The formula for this 'entropy" is S = k. log W. But you dont need to know that. It just says 'the universe tends to head towards disorder rather than towards order over time. And thats because statistically its easier for that to happen. This is what causes time to only go forwards... Or in your words everything goes to shit. You could have just written the formula for 'everything goes to shit' instead: S = k. log W. I have that on a T shirt.

Yes, but...
...when the disorder is excessive, the universe tends towards order.

WOW so the people in Spain will lose their homes and property. No good at all!

Spain is ranked 57th in economic freedom. Which is already not great.
And property right are around 98% in UK or US for e.g. and 75% in spain. Also not good. And will get worse in time. Saved for now because while the socialists gor twice the votes of any other party, they still have no majority. Yet...

https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

And a national debt/GDP of 98% which is almost identical to France. Compared to our paltry 89%. Probably best not to look at consumer debt

If I ran this country I would pay off all debt as a priority first. The only things that would get money spent on them would be those that HELPED the economy, business, to grow. And there would be some drastic benefits changes. Inc housing benefit. Reduced to zero.

Paying off government debt is only a partial solution, the biggest problem is consumer debt https://www.ft.com/content/e23c6d04-659 ... 144feabdc0 look at the numbers, average US household debt $165,000 over 300m households owe this. At least government borrowing if used for the right things like investing in infrastructure to improve productivity can be justified unlike a new TV or car. Personally I am quite happy not owing anyone, anything.

Personal debt is no problem. Other than to either the company daft enough to lend money. And the consumer that stupid enough to buy stuff they cannot afford and so prefers to spend their lives poor and in debt. Thats just free market trade. What pisses me off is goverments borrowing in my name. I want non of it.

What pisses me off is goverments borrowing in my name.

Even if you don't want to.
In Spain debts are nationalized and profits are privatised.
21st century Communism.

But when those in debt hit the borrowing limit they can't purchase so the free market slows. Government will always borrow, only elected for a 5 year term, why worry beyond that? We need proper long term investment planning not borrowing on a whim.

But when those in debt hit the borrowing limit they can't purchase so the free market slows.

Short term. Quite the opposite long term. When theres no borrowing and people save and buy ar a better price it means they live a life free of debt and able to afford to spend exactly the same income as they had before, only now its all on goods, services, and so less wasted on high prices and interest. It leaves MORE to spend on everything they buy, rather than less. The difference is that its not now. Its later. And since no or less borrowing, theres less rich people investing because the rates will drop. And so they spend it... It then all helps the economy rather than takes a cut from it.

Burgerman wrote:Once all the countries that pay in to the EU like the UK germany, etc even france have left, gone broke, etc then all the others that take out of the EU will be screwed...

France wont be far behind, they elected a stupid proEU centerist. But he wants reforms of overly powerful socialist employment and benefit rules and wanted to lower the minimum wage. Instead they made him RAISE it! And the socialist loving french wont allow any socialist style employment or business rules to be relaxed. So they are also screwed sometime soon! They already complain of empty shops and inability to pay the bills. Because business is held to ransom. sO THEY WANT more FREEBIES... Germany is now in recession. Well done the socialist leader mercal. Italy in debt and recession. Greece? A former country. And most of the rest are ex communist and the cities are now deserted. The likes of poland, czeck, etc are all over here...

So the EU and the euro will collapse economically and splinter as there are now just too many euro sceptic countries. Wait till the EU elections! That will be fun. And hopefully we will be well out of the mess. But we are being screwed by parliment... Who are refusing to LEAVE.

This is EXACTLY why I voted "leave" .............. even two years ago it was clear to me that the EU was dead in the water and we do NOT want to be involved in the collapse

Quite.

Here is the problem however.

Parliment.

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