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I voted leave part 2

Postby Burgerman » 02 May 2019, 16:34

Today were the local elections. The candidates think its about pot holes and bin collections. WRONG!!!
This is the start of the payback. The EU voting will also be yet more payback in a month. Treason remainer may will be out by next week if the results are anything like I expect. Gone!

I arrived at the polling station, and there were 3 of us at 12.15 pm. Just 3! We all looked at the candidates.

UKIP - Got my and the other two of us, vote. Why? They want to EXIT as per our referendum.
Conservatives. Have ignored the referendum for 3 years and repeatedly lied and wasted time - Tereasa may is a traitor that should go to the tower.

Labour - Marxist/Socialists, thats enough. And have also ignored the referendum for 3 years... Communists in disguise. Simply morons.

Liberals - Want a 2nd referendum, because we all voted 'wrong'. They are like the trump haters. They cant stand that he won! So err... No! And they love the EU.

Conservatives - lying remaining and not delivering what we voted for. After 3 years no siogn of that happening. So they will get a good kicking. And mays government may begin to understand that the voters are a little pissed off.
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Re: I voted leave part 2

Postby martin007 » 02 May 2019, 17:17

Politicians are rotten.
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Re: I voted leave part 2

Postby Burgerman » 02 May 2019, 17:24

The shorter version! :clap
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Re: I voted leave part 2

Postby wheelie junkie » 03 May 2019, 10:06

Local election for people who carry out the running of your services, I voted for the candidate who helped fight local developers trying to build on sites they didn't need to and has helped me with other problems linked to disabled access. I've got no idea what party she is nor do I need to. I hope that your UKIP councillor attends more meetings and achieves more than the UKIP clowns that are meant to represent us in the European Parliament.
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Re: I voted leave part 2

Postby Burgerman » 03 May 2019, 11:39

In my ward the battle is between a conservative and a liberal candidate. Both who are remainers. UKIP dont stant a chance. But voting for UKIP sends a message to the party leaders that are betraying the voters. Its a protest vote. And looking at the results across the country everyone else had the same plan. Huge gains for all the little parties.
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Re: I voted leave part 2

Postby wheelie junkie » 03 May 2019, 14:28

Conservatives knew what was coming, hardly unexpected and they will just ignore the protest vote as long as they hang onto power in the house. They know that they are gone at the next election, nothing can save them from that, pissed off remainers and leavers. It's no good little parties getting votes, we need PR to turn votes into seats,that would make a difference.
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Re: I voted leave part 2

Postby Burgerman » 03 May 2019, 16:35

No. First and foremost we need to LEAVE, and then sort out pot holes etc.

The brexit party will not be a little party in 3 weeks. And it will also then start a political party in the UK. Which will win. Why? In this last local election the majority, the ones that were pised off, which is most of them, had nowhere to vote. We got a choice of the communist idiots party, the treasonous may party, and the small rediculous or leave party, or the green socialism party. Just wait!
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Re: I voted leave part 2

Postby wheelie junkie » 03 May 2019, 17:09

The problem is bigger than Brexit. Being in the EU a year or 3 longer doesn't impact on anything other than some rich f'cks not avoiding the EU tax investigations they were doing their best to get out of. We need to fix our political system so that we can make voices heard which means probably coalitions not the 2 party no choice choice. Handing more control (not that we didn't have enough control) to inept government is stupidity first we need competent government. Handing it to a party who are fixated on one thing even stupider. PR could of changed everything, UKIP would have had MP's had a voice in parliament and been involved, MP's of different parties work together not follow Corbyn and his lunacy or May and her inflexible position. Even worse, we might exit with May's withdrawal agreement, that really would be stupidity, out but without any of what we have now. Just getting out is not an answer it has to be out with the right terms not tied to something that we can never exit from.
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Re: I voted leave part 2

Postby Burgerman » 03 May 2019, 17:36

The problem is bigger than Brexit. Being in the EU a year or 3 longer doesn't impact on anything other than some rich f'cks not avoiding the EU tax investigations they were doing their best to get out of.

NOTHING is bigger or more important than getting out of the EU as we voted.

We need to fix our political system so that we can make voices heard which means probably coalitions not the 2 party no choice choice. Handing more control (not that we didn't have enough control) to inept government is stupidity first we need competent government. Handing it to a party who are fixated on one thing even stupider. PR could of changed everything, UKIP would have had MP's had a voice in parliament and been involved, MP's of different parties work together not follow Corbyn and his lunacy or May and her inflexible position. Even worse, we might exit with May's withdrawal agreement, that really would be stupidity, out but without any of what we have now. Just getting out is not an answer it has to be out with the right terms not tied to something that we can never exit from.


Theres is only ONE brexit. Out. Leave. As we voted for. As the gov own leaflet said. Nobody voted to be half out, keep one foot in. The last 3 years was a total time wasting exersize to attempt to stay as much in as possible by the majority (80%) of parliment that are remainers. They must leave no deal as we voted for.
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Re: I voted leave part 2

Postby wheelie junkie » 03 May 2019, 18:35

We have domestic policy stagnation, an inept, incompetent government, that needs sorting before anything you won't achieve a decent Brexit without political change.

Deal/No deal is hardly of relevance the withdrawal agreement determines how we exit. Lengthy but worth reading rather than the 500 pages or whatever May's document was https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk ... y/CBP-8453 just looking at the structure gives a good idea of the depth of the issues. Ideally we need to retain trade agreements and other than the stupidity of the EU no reason that can't be negotiated whilst we reopen the withdrawal agreement. It was doable 3 years ago but not in the current political system. Without change you can tilt at windmills forever as throwing a Brexit party into parliament will just cause further divide and more stagnation as neither Tories or Labour would go into coalition with them. Throw in the potential for a confirmatory vote and this could go on forever at the expense of domestic agenda.

No winners out of any of this just a demonstration that politics is screwed. Sadly we could be typing the same shit for years to come but even I am bored with it now which I am sure was the plan from the start,we'll all realise that it is pointless.
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Re: I voted leave part 2

Postby Burgerman » 03 May 2019, 20:27

you won't achieve a decent Brexit


There is no such thing as any TYPE of brexit. Decent, or otherwise. Theres ONE brexit. Leave. Completely.

First, you do as we voted to do, 3 years ago. LEAVE. Put the key through the letterbox and come home.
Then you dont pay them 40 billion for nothing.

Then you invite them to TRADE either on WTO rules which is perfectly fine, and I have done so in the past. Its easier than the damned EU regulatory bullshit. But it may or may not add some tarrifs. But then so what? Thats money that both sides of any trade deal benefit from as tax. Its better not to do that, but then the gov have to get tax somewhere so they take it from you in other ways as they do now. Or on any trade agreement you wish to agree on in the future. Which would all have been done and dusted by now. Because fritz still needs to sell his VWs to us at the best advantagous way possible, and the same for every other product and service in both directions.

That is what we voted to do. Theres no one foot in brexit, theres no 'soft' or hard brexit, theres only brexit. Leave. We never asked to be half in, we never asked for any 'deal', and we never wanted one. And yes we knew exactly what LEAVE means. But the 80% of parliment that are remainer traitors, inc may, have IGNORED the referendum and done everything possible to make it as hard as possible to leave. Because they dont want to. They are all disgusting lying idiots that have betrayed the LEAVE voters. They WILL end up paying the penalty, and we WILL leave sooner or later because you cannot put the genie back in the bottle. And the EU is disintegrating and fracturing and going bust anyway. The sooner we are away from that centralised left wing superstate the better..
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Re: I voted leave part 2

Postby martin007 » 03 May 2019, 20:34

From here it gives the impression that the Brexit is stopped.

May doesn't know/doesn't want to do anything.
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Re: I voted leave part 2

Postby Burgerman » 03 May 2019, 20:36

Thats what parliment want. Everything delayed, dragged out, stopped. Because they are all traitors. They will not get ther way in the end. And it will come to a lot of trouble.
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Re: I voted leave part 2

Postby wheelie junkie » 04 May 2019, 13:02

Unfortunately we can't just leave, read that page on the withdrawal agreement, citizens rights, security IP, judicial matters. Personally I would want to continue to work with Europe on security, get information from them and reciprocate. Keep immigrants on the French side of the channel etc, etc.

I also want to have a say in May's withdrawal agreement, stop it being passed, the Attorney General expressed concerns about what it tied us to and I honestly don't understand why any Leave voter would want us to leave under those terms, we need the right to reject it if they do get it through parliament that means a confirmatory vote. Do you honestly want to let them pass it without a say?
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Re: I voted leave part 2

Postby Burgerman » 04 May 2019, 17:45

Unfortunately we can't just leave, read that page on the withdrawal agreement, citizens rights, security IP, judicial matters. Personally I would want to continue to work with Europe on security, get information from them and reciprocate. Keep immigrants on the French side of the channel etc, etc.


Yes you can. Its called a 'no deal'. (more correctly its called WTO terms. Tommorow. Everything of importance is already in hand and has been put in place as required. In any case, the leafelet we all got sent by the UK Gov, at out own expence already said this. Thats is exactly what we voted for. As for:

>>> citizens rights, security IP, judicial matters. Personally I would want to continue to work with Europe on security, get information from them and reciprocate.

We still can and will. But compared to escaping with our country from a soviet style centrally planned political system thats a trivial irrelivance. Whats more I dont agree with many of them. If they want to share - great If not tough shit. Only now WE get to decide if we agree as it should be, or go further. Rather than some communistic non elected beurocrats in the failing and collapring EU socialist republic.

We can leave tomorrow, We could easily have done so 3 years ago too just as the lefelet said. All the rest is the remainers screaming, one foot in, half brexit that the winners of the binary election never voted for. I want to be OUT. LEAVE. I want no part of it at all. Unless we agree that as an outside country on equal terms AFTERWARDS.
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Re: I voted leave part 2

Postby wheelie junkie » 04 May 2019, 18:46

Withdrawal agreement has little to do with trade other than linked to backstop. It is about UK citizens rights who live in Europe, our security where we share criminal data, joint policing operations, Euroatom. The legal nuts and bolts that tie us to the EU and these need to be taken apart legally. We have to convert a multitude of EU law into UK law which hasn't progressed quickly and is being pushed through in bulk not looking at each law and whether we want it. And the reality is no Parliament is going to give approval to a no deal exit under any circumstances, we've got more chance that the EU will get sick and walk away.

Sadly we don't get to decide anything as this fiasco proves, that is beyond obvious. If May gets that withdrawal agreement past Parliament we need to be able to stop it, if we don't it won't be Brexit other than in name, tied to the EU in transition arrangements, a £39bn bill and backstop that could limit our ability to trade forever and the only way out would be under EU control. I'm ambivalent to Brexit, can see benefits in each but don't want to end up worse off than we are now but we could if MP's pass it or even worse a version with a Labour backed customs union and I want to be able to have a final say. I can't understand why Leave voters don't see the risk of a non Brexit Brexit and don't want to have a vote to be able to stop it, must have more trust in our political system than I do.
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Re: I voted leave part 2

Postby Burgerman » 04 May 2019, 21:38

It is about UK citizens rights who live in Europe,

Already agreed ready for a no deal and no problem, and anything that isnt, that we got wrong, or that we forgot, tough. We voted leave. That means completely.
Deal with any technicalities later.

our security where we share criminal data, joint policing operations, Euroatom. The legal nuts and bolts that tie us to the EU and these need to be taken apart legally.

Nope they dont. We leave. If they wish to cooperate or sort any details to mutual benefit, later on thats great. If not, tough. Because we voted to LEAVE the EU not leave a bit, not keep one foot in, not partly leave. We all know what leave means.

We have to convert a multitude of EU law into UK law which hasn't progressed quickly and is being pushed through in bulk not looking at each law and whether we want it.

We have all the time we need to go over every last rule and bit of bullshit later AFTER we leave. Because thats the point, we dont have to follow their rules, many of which I disagree with.

And the reality is no Parliament is going to give approval to a no deal exit under any circumstances, we've got more chance that the EU will get sick and walk away.

Then fire them. That will happen sooner or later. Because the voters will get rid. The problem is, and always was, the fact that parliment are 80% remainers. So they *wont* vote for a real brexit. They all see brexit as a problem, they thik it a mistake, want minimise the disaster. Instead of an essential move that FREES us. They refuse to obey the will of the people. And they will get black eyes in the end. Just wait.

Sadly we don't get to decide anything as this fiasco proves, that is beyond obvious. If May gets that withdrawal agreement past Parliament we need to be able to stop it, if we don't it won't be Brexit other than in name, tied to the EU in transition arrangements, a £39bn bill and backstop that could limit our ability to trade forever and the only way out would be under EU control. I'm ambivalent to Brexit, can see benefits in each but don't want to end up worse off than we are now

We were quite clearly TOLD we would be worse off if we left. In that very same leaflet. And via the endless remainers on the TV, by every political leader, and we know. And we voted to leave regardless. I dont care if we are poorer. Or worse off. I value freedom from a massive broken political union far more. As do the referendum voters. And WE WON. So the fact that it may make us poorer in not a reson to ignore the voters. For what its worth, I thing we will be worse off short term, and much better off afterwards. But so what? It was never about the economy. It was about the ideology. And leave means exactly that. Its not complicated.

but we could if MP's pass it or even worse a version with a Labour backed customs union and I want to be able to have a final say. I can't understand why Leave voters don't see the risk of a non Brexit Brexit and don't want to have a vote to be able to stop it, must have more trust in our political system than I do.

A final vote! :clap
Nothing has changed. Other than the remainers STILL WONT ACCEPT THE LEAVE VOTE.
We already had a final say.

We were told in black and white that:
1. we would be poorer
2. many jobs and businesses at risk
3. out of single market (and by the gov out of the customs union)
4. that it was a once on a generation vote
5. that the will of the people WOULD be implemented.
6. travel and phones would be more problematic.
7. more... Including that we would be less secure, and why. Its not as if WE DID NOT KNOW!!!

And then we VOTED on this. We CHOSE these things, inspite of that info, because getting out was more important.
NOTHING has changed at all.
Other than the 80 percent of parlliment refused to leave. And the left wing liberal media have been anti brexit with long faces for 3 years.

If theres another vote it should have ONLY this in it:
a. Leave NO DEAL
b. Leave MAYS deal.

The remain/leave vote has already happened. All the things they whine about WERE ALREADY KNOWN and sent to every last letterbox in the country. You can do leave/remain vote again a generation AFTER we leave.

The Gov official leafelet.
http://www.wheelchairdriver.com/propaganda.pdf

The reason we are not already out 3 years ago.
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Re: I voted leave part 2

Postby sad_vampire » 05 May 2019, 01:56

Looking forward to the EU elections on the 23rd May

I'm a card carrying fully paid up member of the Conservative Party

So... I'll be voting for The Brexit Party of course :thumbup:

The Conservative Party can survive the next General Election, all we need to do is expel all the liberal & socialist MPs who are currently
hiding behind the Conservative Party name.... oh, & get Nigel, Ann, etc back into the Conservative Party where they belong.

Personally, I'm for anyone who voted for Mrs May's BRINO deal to be kicked out, including my own MP. hanged
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Re: I voted leave part 2

Postby Burgerman » 05 May 2019, 02:53

That, I completely agree with.
If farage starts a real party, as well as the EU election one, and if all the labour and conservative LEAVEers all resign and sign up for the brexit party its as good as done.

And as he says. If those in parliment, and treason may, actually did what we voted for, he wouldnt need to do any of this. But we have predictably been betrayed. I said this would happen the day after we won.
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Re: I voted leave part 2

Postby wheelie junkie » 05 May 2019, 12:11

You just don't get that we will probably leave under a revision of May's withdrawal agreement combined with Corbyn's custom union, that is not the Brexit anyone wants. The only way to stop it is a vote on whether the electorate want it, we don't! It is a worse position than we are in with our current terms. Unless you think that May's deal is acceptable? Obviously given the local election results there was huge support for the Lib Dems and their second referendum plans and UKIP lost ground but a confirmatory vote is the only way to prevent us leaving under a terrible agreement. We might not be able to negotiate any trade deals if they move to a customs union so long term we will be worse off.

Even the planning they have done for no deal is bad, there are too many problems trying to do WTO rules so they have already set new duty rates for thousands of items but nothing on anti dumping duty which protects many UK manufacturers from cheap Chinese imports. Instead of exporting more it'll be cheaper to import. They just kneel to China and accept, just like they did when thy vetod the EU anti dumping duty on steel which cost jobs and plant closures. Those aren't short term losses, they will never come back. Farage and his one policy don't have the ability to sort any of this.

We have to have laws in place on the day we leave otherwise there will still be a legal right to anything that refers to the EU/ECJ you can't have nothing and gradually introduce them as you find time. We need a transition period as 3 years on they still haven't managed to work there way through everything. Potentially they could by October but May is still pushing to get her agreement through before the euro election.

Whilst we have agreed the rights of EU citizens here the EU hasn't done the same, 27 countries which could have different rules, united when they want to be, divided when they don't.

And whilst this fiasco continues business can't plan and domestic policy is stagnating. There is no way the Tories will call an election so we'll be stuck until 2022 before there is an opportunity to get them out. We'll all be debating for years never going anywhere until we sort our political system.
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Re: I voted leave part 2

Postby Scooterman » 05 May 2019, 16:07

I only had choice of Labour or Tory candidates so didn't bother :(

Re Leave, we never can because parliament won't allow it. So the only way to Leave is to have a general election and replace Remain MPs with Leave MPs. But that won't happen because "first past the post" favours established parties who are all Remain.

We'll no doubt end up with a ConLab fudge brexit or remain.

And we've already wasted about £5bn planning for a no deal brexit that parliament won't sanction anyway. You couldn't make it up czy
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Re: I voted leave part 2

Postby Burgerman » 05 May 2019, 16:53

You just don't get that we will probably leave under a revision of May's withdrawal agreement combined with Corbyn's custom union, that is not the Brexit anyone wants.

How many times. That is not brexit. Brexit means leave. Its in the name. Leave means not stopping in. As in going home. Or leaving the golf club. You can say its nbrexit, but its not. We voted based on the goverments leafelet. That never mentions keeping one foot in. Mays deal is remain.

The only way to stop it is a vote on whether the electorate want it, we don't!

Quite. We did that already in 216 and still waiting.

It is a worse position than we are in with our current terms. Unless you think that May's deal is acceptable?

Of course its not. Its REMAIN. It does not do as we voted for in any way. Take a read. http://www.wheelchairdriver.com/propaganda.pdf

Obviously given the local election results there was huge support for the Lib Dems and their second referendum plans and UKIP lost ground but a confirmatory vote is the only way to prevent us leaving under a terrible agreement.

Wrong. Just less than half the country want to overturn the result of the referendum and stay in the EU. Everywhere had a lid bem candidate and so they had a reason to vote. However the LEAVE side have a choice of labour socialist disaster, or remainer conservatives. Or in 3% of towns only ukip. So no reason to vote and nobody to vote for. So obviously the lib dems who are hoping to overturn the referendum will see more votes!!! And had there been a brexit, leave no deal, on that ballot paper it would have won. Dont believe it? Wait for the EU election in a couple of weeks.

We might not be able to negotiate any trade deals if they move to a customs union so long term we will be worse off.

Obviously. And they will have ignored the will of the people in the referendum that wants no part of any deal, union, or anything else as well.

Even the planning they have done for no deal is bad, there are too many problems trying to do WTO rules so they have already set new duty rates for thousands of items but nothing on anti dumping duty which protects many UK manufacturers from cheap Chinese imports. Instead of exporting more it'll be cheaper to import. They just kneel to China and accept, just like they did when thy vetod the EU anti dumping duty on steel which cost jobs and plant closures. Those aren't short term losses, they will never come back. Farage and his one policy don't have the ability to sort any of this.

Bull. We have no trouble trading with any of the world, since most of its not in the EU. And what YOU dont seem to understand is that trade has nothing to do with goverments and policies. It happens between businesses, individuals, in large and small trades across the planet. The day we leave, with a "deal" or without one will make bugger all difference. It is just a bit of paperwork and legislation. If the governments are not ready they lose a little tax. They will soon get with the show.

We have to have laws in place on the day we leave otherwise there will still be a legal right to anything that refers to the EU/ECJ you can't have nothing and gradually introduce them as you find time.

Of course you can.
We need a transition period as 3 years on they still haven't managed to work there way through everything. Potentially they could by October but May is still pushing to get her agreement through before the euro election.

You dont get it. Theres no transition period required. Mr BMW will keep sending us cars. Or fire his workers. We will still be selling race car stuff to the US, and EU for e.g. just as we do the previous day. NOTHING will change.

Whilst we have agreed the rights of EU citizens here the EU hasn't done the same, 27 countries which could have different rules, united when they want to be, divided when they don't.

Correct. So what? That is what we voted for. We can make arangements with each country just as we do now with non eu countries. Thats what it means to LEAVE. And we should NOT have given away the barganing tools (unilateral decision to offer EU foreiners rights). Doing so just shows what morons we have in charge.

And whilst this fiasco continues business can't plan and domestic policy is stagnating. There is no way the Tories will call an election so we'll be stuck until 2022 before there is an opportunity to get them out. We'll all be debating for years never going anywhere until we sort our political system.

The day after the referendum, all members of parliment and government that supported remain should have been sent home. It was a BINARY choice. Theres no "middle" way. You are either in, or you are out. We voted OUT!!! What part of that do you not understand? Theres no need for ANY of this fiasco. That was caused by parliment, and our beloved remainer may, trying to avoid leaving. Which she is still doing 3 years later.

The people will get even. Sooner or later.
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Re: I voted leave part 2

Postby wheelie junkie » 05 May 2019, 18:22

Nothing that you have written will happen, leave is going to be nothing like what you voted for and you can't stop it. All you can do is complain about being let down by politicians. One of the few things that might make them realise that they have to be prepared to leave without any deal is public rejection of May's deal and confirmation that there is a majority wanting to leave. Or we wait until the EU get sick and accept that we can't agree a plan so don't extend Article 50. That is currently about the best option we have.
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Re: I voted leave part 2

Postby Burgerman » 05 May 2019, 19:04

One of the few things that might make them realise that they have to be prepared to leave without any deal is public rejection of May's deal and confirmation that there is a majority wanting to leave.


We did EXACTLY this in 2016 already. That was what the ONCE IN A GENERATION vote confirmed. Did you read that pre vote gov leafelet? Did you watch the speech by our prime minister?

We already HAD the "confirmatory" vote in 2016. Read the leaflet... No single market, no customs union, and complete removal from the EU laws, regulation, and government control, security, and EVERYTHING ELSE!!! That covers may, or anyone elses "deal" since we already voted not to have. It also already choose LEAVE not remain. So we dont need another vote.
Note, we already voted the 'confirmation' down.
We already voted leave with no deal
Which is why may said 138 times that we would leave with no deal. And that a bad deal was worse than a no deal. Which it is. And we never voted for a 'deal'...
We just want them to obey the first vote.
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And there should be only these 2 things on any vote. Because the vote to LEAVE (and with no deal, no customs union, no EU control, no single market, and no security or any other cooperation, read the damned leaflet we voted on) already happened. Once in a generation remember?
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Re: I voted leave part 2

Postby wheelie junkie » 06 May 2019, 11:31

Unfortunately the legislation passed by Parliament was for an advisory vote with no obligation or timescale for implementing the result. Whatever Cameron said is irrelevant, the law was for an advisory result. He didn't have any authority to promise it. And like all politicians he lied. Leaflets are not law, the only thing that is was the European Referendum Bill 2015/16.

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No matter what it doesn't alter the position that we are in where Parliament doesn't accept that result or May might eventually get her agreement past. Somehow they need to be stopped as her deal is worse than no deal but how can you stop it without the public turning it down? That is all that matters, getting us to leave under terms that suit us and if that means confirming or rejecting deals via a vote then so be it. There could be no argument if a second vote gave public approval of no deal exit or even May's deal. It would stop all of the debate on what was voted for and move us forward. There is no way parliament will resolve it is there?
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Re: I voted leave part 2

Postby Burgerman » 06 May 2019, 12:33

Leaflets are not law,

And you are way too hung up on paperwork like most people. Stuff the EUs laws. If we ignore it what are they going to do?

In this case, the leaflet, and the official goverment statements are what the biggest democratic vote ever held, voted on. So laws are pretty much irrelivant. We ARE the law. Its what WE the voter, chose that matters not some bits of paper. Remember they work for US. And they ask for US to decide in or out. A binary choice. And its not up to the EU.

It cant be anything other that completely in. Or completely out. You cant drive down the middle of the road with traffic in two directions.
You MUST drive on one side or the other. That side was very clearly LEAVE. And that huge vote overules all else.

No matter what it doesn't alter the position that we are in where Parliament doesn't accept that result or May might eventually get her agreement past. Somehow they need to be stopped as her deal is worse than no deal but how can you stop it without the public turning it down?

Parliment work for US remember. Sack all remainer parlimentarians now. Should have happened the day after the referendum. They should have voluntarily left if they had any integrity anyway.
And we ALREADY turned it down in 2016. So arrest the lot of them and send them to the tower. And thats a serious comment. They are supposed to chop off the heads of traitors that risk the sovereinty of our country. These remainers, are ignoring the people, and deserve that for doing the exact same thing on purpose.
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Re: I voted leave part 2

Postby wheelie junkie » 06 May 2019, 14:19

Umm, it was UK law absolutely nothing to do with the EU. Our elected representatives passed it agreeing the terms of the referendum, the same way our democracy has made legislation for centuries as we are a representative democracy with little history of direct democracy. If you want direct democracy then you accept that a vote can be carried out whenever there is demand for it. Like the Swiss system. Or you accept representative democracy and let MP's decide. There is no method of sacking government, they are elected by us and serve their term until the next election. But we don't get to choose the candidate just accept who the local party nominate so can't be certain of the candidate's stance until it is too late. The system is biased towards status quo. And they are a shit rock band :)

There are very few ways that we can change things and as the country is equally divided on Brexit it is unlikely any party could get a majority so inevitably a coalition would be the outcome of an election. One of the few ways is to repeat the result of the first vote making it absolutely clear that this is what is wanted. Only direct democracy can override the opinions of people we elect as we have no control over them other than kicking them out 5 years too late.

Basically it is a mess with few ways forward and none that will please everyone.
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Re: I voted leave part 2

Postby Burgerman » 06 May 2019, 16:09

There is no method of sacking government, they are elected by us and serve their term until the next election.
Not true. The people that elected that black MP woman, also fired her... Well they asked her to quit. And her town, peterboghorror also insisted. She was basically forced to quit.
Now... Any MP that gets 1 year inside is replaced automatically. And all the remoaners are basically committing treason. So should get life or beheaded. So should be replaced. And no sacking is also untrue. A true brexit prime minister should have already fired the likes of greave or hammond as they are in opposition to what the party we voted into power said in their manifesto, AND the referendum.

There are very few ways that we can change things and as the country is equally divided on Brexit


Nope. It certainly isnt.
Hence the REFERENDUM! You may not have noticed that. But leave WON!!! That means NOT EQUALLY DIVIDED. Thats why we had a BINARY REFERENDUM. Nobody voted half in or half out. Then the vast majority (labour/conservatrive were both voted in on their respective manifestos. Both of which agreed to LEAVE!!!

it is unlikely any party could get a majority so inevitably a coalition would be the outcome of an election. One of the few ways is to repeat the result of the first vote making it absolutely clear that this is what is wanted.

yOU STILL HAVE NOT READ THAT Letter that we were all sent have you? oOPS KEYBOARDX...
IT WAS ABSOLUTELY CLEAR.
We would be poorer.
Less jobs.
GDP would suffer.
We would be out of the EUs customs union.
We would be out of the single market.
We would be in full control of our borders, and laws.
It was a terrible idea.
We would be less secure.
We would need passports and phones would cost more abroad.
Yada yada yada. Speech after speech,. and the letter we all got.

IT WAS ABSOLUTELY CLEAR and and nothing has changed other than the traitors in power have wasted 3 years and made every possible wriggle and excuse to NOT do as they were instructed. we voted LEAVE in spite of all that propaganda. All they had to do was LEAVE!
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Re: I voted leave part 2

Postby wheelie junkie » 06 May 2019, 18:23

Tilting at windmills again. You might have won a vote but it has achieved nothing, that isn't winning. To win you need to make it happen. You can't do that, reading a leaflet and voting hasn't worked because we are a representative democracy and our representatives are doing what they want. Somehow that needs to change, we elect new representatives which doesn't guarantee anything as there is a possibility that remain supporters elect a remain MP or we get another direct democratic vote that doesn't require parliamentary approval unlike the first one. There really isn't another option unless MP's cave in to the Maybot's version of leave which we know isn't leave and we have no say in it. Personally I want a say. Yes, we've had one but I have no problem with another if it stops a bad deal and moves us forward instead of sinking in political quicksand.

And no, I didn't read any political propaganda as I don't believe politicians, they lie and rarely tell the truth as this has clearly shown. What I do read is factual, legislation and how it works.Cameron wasn't in a legal position to promise what he did but Parliament subsequently passed legislation that did make it legal to leave but we don't have the constitutional powers to enforce it and are left with the options above. It just brings home that we need political change but to what?
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Re: I voted leave part 2

Postby Burgerman » 06 May 2019, 20:33

Personally I want a say. Yes, we've had one but I have no problem with another if it stops a bad deal and moves us forward instead of sinking in political quicksand.


Lots of issues with that.
1.The first being that the proposed popular plan is a choice of mays deal or no deal, or remain. Therby splitting the leave vote and garanteeing the remainer parliment win.

2. They want to do it because there are so many leave voters that are very pissed off at being ignored that they have publically said that they will never vote again. So remain garanteed to win.

3. Project scare is in year 3, esp by the leftist anti brexit media, for 3 years now. With endless remainers interveiwed on TV to help with the brainwashing to get the right result. We voted wrong, and like every time this hhappens in the UE we are forced to keep voting till it goes the correct way.

4. We ALREADY voted.

5. If they ignored the first one, why would another make any difference.

6. If we won, we are right where we are NOW.

7. If remain won, I want a 3rd go. And to stay half out, and do so in 3 years.

Another referendum is a joke in so many ways that all it will do is cause civil war. And we ALREADY voted. Parliment should be overun by the public, and all those that LOST the referendum should be dragged out and locked up for treason. Especially teresa may.
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