I voted leave part 2

[wheelie junkie]

Just spotted that Claire Fox a Brexit MEP was a former leading member of the Revolutionary Communist Party, be careful what you wish for with your Brexit MP's. That was taken from a BBC news story

[Burgerman]

1. The Biased Broadcasting Company. Thats a part of their desperate ongoing never ending propaganda attempts to prevent leave. Ever heard them also mention that corbyn praised venuzuala and the 'better way' that chaves was doing? Or that he is a committed marxist? Plenty of his old university socialist/marxist stuff online. But they never mention that. Ever wondered why?

2. So what? A single purpose, single issue party. To GET OUT OF THE DAMNED EU!!! After that, vote them out. Nobody cares. Farage has no interest in being a permanant party anyway. He just wants to do the one thing. Which will change politics and our main 2 party system forever as an accidental asside. Then dissapear.

The BIGGEST issue by far is the fact that the mainstream parties have ignored the vote. Thats all thats important right now. After that, and once out, then we can think about all the other less important stuff. Once the betrayal, dilution, time wasting, has been sorted. THIS is what the politcal elites and stupid remainer/left wing media do not yet get. They are still thinking about some compromise, some deal, that we did not vote for. We voted OUT. Thats why the next election will come as a massive surprise when they land on the dole. They still dont get the strength of feeling about betraying the public. But believe me they will.

My local labour MP Melanie Onn is running around despatately reasuring the town that she voted against a 2nd referendum. She voted against brexit and 101 other related things though. Even though its 71 percent LEAVE here. Why? She moved from a council estate, to a big 6 bedroomed victorian house, and runs around in a brand new big 4x4 now. And she is realising that the people see she is a traitor and will vote The BREXIT party at the next election. And then she is back to no car, and a council estate! She is beginning to worry. So its making her think hard about what she votes for in parliment. And the same aplies to all the other remainer parlimentarians. You say farage is a waste of time? Far from it!

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25317 ... at_grimsby

https://www.facebook.com/Melanie4Grimsby Pretty but like most socialists, stupid.

[Burgerman]

Following Theresa May’s resignation announcement, the former Foreign Secretary was the instant favourite to replace her as next the Prime Minister. According to The Daily Mail, Environment Secretary Michael Gove has now edged ahead of Mr Johnson despite criticism from some within his party over his no deal Brexit stance. Mr Gove has now received the support of 26 MPs despite not publicly outlining his Brexit strategy.

Here we go again. They are pushing a remainer that wants a may type deal and delay of brexit, that wants a deal... They just do not get it.
They know that nobody outside the bubble wants one of the 2 candidates to be gove as the 'brexit' candidate. The other will be remainer in full. So they are at it again.

[wheelie junkie]

I don't think that the BBC is pro Corbyn, they constantly push the anti semintism story and his lack of leadership.

Who the Brexit party select as candidates is important, I can guarantee that they won't resign after Brexit, just like your current MP they will take what goes with the job.

I've said it enough times, it needs a general election, next one is 2022 unless they have a vote of no confidence. We will either be out or the Brexit party gets in. People are angry and will vote for Farage with remain too many parties to chose from so vote is split.
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I'll just ignore anything from the Daily Mail , plus polls especially on the next leader will change day by day. And if they do elect a PM who wants a deal it won't happen. The EU won't extend again, Macron won't accept it. Out with no deal.

[Burgerman]

I dont believe it. THEY want
a) 40 billion with ongoing top ups. So they want us to remain or to be paying to pretend we are out while still being in. (mays deal or similar/worse)
b) to selll us all their cars, wine, chese, tools, ceramics, etc etc.

So they will extend it if we choose. tHEY HAVE TO PRETEND THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED AS THEY ARE NOT AS STUPID AS THE REMAINers - f***K this keyboard. We told them we wont leave without a deal. So obviously they dont need offer us anything. We already told them they are safe to screw us over. Because our parliment is about as bright as a typical 6 year old.

[wheelie junkie]

All it takes is one country not to agree and we are out. Macron can see the benefits to France, UK made cars more expensive, foreign owned car producers more likely to invest in France. He needs to be seen to bring something to the economy in France. 27 countries won't stay united forever.

They will cut budget and we still have legal agreements to pay, a lot of May's withdrawal agreement focuses on that. We might delay it but we won't get out of it. As always, complicated by lawyers who are the ones that will benefit.

[Burgerman]

The french wont benefit. We are their biggest market. And no deal means all their factories lose sales because their cars will be more expensive to us. So we will favour non EU brands. Like my van... Or japanese, australian, taiwanese, korean, etc more.

The reason for the french being poor, struggloing to pay bills, high unemployment is heavy socialism since the war. The french keep wanting socialist governments. Then wonder why unemployment and the cost of living is sky high.

[sad_vampire]

I'm following the Conservative Party leadership entrants with much interest, but I'm sure deals are being done to present us, the Party Members, with a choice between two unispiring candidates.

Meanwhile, I'm unable to vote for the party of which I'm a member.

[Burgerman]

There will be 2 candidates chosen by the remainers at the top. Since they want the members to never have the choice of no deal, out asap. Which they WOULD vote for, they will not give you one. You will get a brino one, and gove... Who is mrs may with a penis.

Which will mean that in the end the conservatives are f*****d. And farage will get in.

[sad_vampire]

Yes, it's interesting, especially after the results of surverys after the EU elections on how Conservative members voted:

Brexit Party 59%
Conservative Party 19%
All other parties 8%
Didn't vote 9%
Refuse to say 3%

And being a YouGov survey, 2% went missing whilst Diane Abbott was adding them up.

We've got Ruddites supporting their Remain candidate, Gove, & a range of not-so-leave candidates (Boris/Dom/Javid/etc), and bewildered socialist candidates such as Rory who is in the wrong party.

However, rest easy in the knowledge that all the potential candidates cannot be trusted.

[Burgerman]

Petebohorror votes thursday for an MP.

The bookies do not often lose money. So:

Latest odds Brexit Party 1/7 on (30 pounds invested here!)
Labour 11/2
Lib Dem 25/1
Cons 50/1
Green 250/1

[Burgerman]

There will be 300 quivering but holes during this. All worried about their cars, expenses, mortgages, and everything else they get for free while betraying the people who pay them.

Because it will show them the strength of feeling. Or not. Democracy works.

[wheelie junkie]

So they lose a few car sales but will gain car production to sell to the rest of Europe. The car industry is consolidating brands, much of it linked to French companies and the likes of Nissan will have choices to make. The rest of what they export to us will increase slightly but we'll still buy it, if trade does slow they'll have to lower the factory gate price if they want it back. Or ask for subsides which a socialist government will consider. We both agree trade with continue, it has to but possibly in a different way to today.

The last extension took a lot of negotiations within the 27,if we don't have concrete proposals one of them is going to veto another extension even if it means losing out on some of the money. They can't remain united forever. We'll be out either before or on 31 October.

[wheelie junkie]

Rory is my MP, it will take a miracle for him not to be re-elected so he can say what he wants. A cow with a blue rosette could be elected here. Look at his voting record and support for May, hardly likely to make waves.

[sad_vampire]

A constituency held together with stout twine I believe.

[Burgerman]

The last extension took a lot of negotiations within the 27,if we don't have concrete proposals one of them is going to veto another extension even if it means losing out on some of the money. They can't remain united forever. We'll be out either before or on 31 October.

Its a well united bluff. And you are falling for it. Because they KNOW that our stupid parliment will vote down any no deal exit. So they no longer need to offer us anything to get their own way. Thats the very reason we must leave, no deal now, because remainer may already handed them all the toys... Then watch them knocking on the door with a trade deal. Forget cars. The whole french and german economy is buit on selling US stuff. We are their biggest buyer anywhere. A no deal wont hurt us, anywhere near as much as it will them. And they will want a deal fast after we leave. They are laughing at our negotiation skills, since a 4 year old would perform about as daft. You need a businessman to negotiate with power to do what he says he will. Not a stupid houswife and some ex university idiots that have never had a proper job even, undermining him in the background. Like trump or farage.

Rory is about as close to a remainer as its possible to get. Hes a sheep, and wants mays remainer deal or even worse. If he gets in, then thats great. For farage to destroy them sometime soon after. Because plainly they still do not get it! We voted to LEAVE. And the people know perfectly well that a elites/remainer BRINO stitchup is not brexit.

As the peterboro election results will show. The candidate that is standing for a fast and no deal brexit that we all voted for 3 years back will win. Even if he doesent win then he will still get enough votes to send a serious message to the elites in power. Just as in the EU erections. And the fact that 80% of the voters voted for a LEAVE party in the last general election. And of course in the referendum. And even parliment voted with a huge majority to trigger article 50, which is legally leave with no deal if you dont have one... How many votes, does it take before they get it???

[Scooterman]

Rory is my MP, it will take a miracle for him not to be re-elected so he can say what he wants. A cow with a blue rosette could be elected here. Look at his voting record and support for May, hardly likely to make waves.

Ha Ha! I have Gove, he's always returned with a majority of at least 20,000. It's a complete waste of time voting in a safe seat, there's no way that sort of majority ever gets overturned. That's why come election time the Party battle buses only target marginal constituencies.

That's why am so-pissed about the establishment trying to reverse the referendum result, referendum's are the only time our vote truly counts, and also the reason why the estabilishiment hates them. Our ONE vote counts the same as Greive's, Blair's, Adonis's, Hestletines, Campbells, Sourby, etc, etc. So the only option left for cows like Gina Miller is to use their money to try and block brexit through the courts.

Sorry not trying to tell anyone anything you don't already know, just ranting

[Burgerman]

Ha Ha! I have Gove, he's always returned with a majority of at least 20,000. It's a complete waste of time voting in a safe seat, there's no way that sort of majority ever gets overturned. That's why come election time the Party battle buses only target marginal constituencies.

Thats WHY they are safe. You and people like you dont vote.
Thiss time may well be different. What was the result in the EU election for your area?

[wheelie junkie]

The last extension took a lot of negotiations within the 27,if we don't have concrete proposals one of them is going to veto another extension even if it means losing out on some of the money. They can't remain united forever. We'll be out either before or on 31 October.

Its a well united bluff. And you are falling for it. Because they KNOW that our stupid parliment will vote down any no deal exit. So they no longer need to offer us anything to get their own way. Thats the very reason we must leave, no deal now, because remainer may already handed them all the toys... Then watch them knocking on the door with a trade deal. Forget cars. The whole french and german economy is buit on selling US stuff. We are their biggest buyer anywhere. A no deal wont hurt us, anywhere near as much as it will them. And they will want a deal fast after we leave. They are laughing at our negotiation skills, since a 4 year old would perform about as daft. You need a businessman to negotiate with power to do what he says he will. Not a stupid houswife and some ex university idiots that have never had a proper job even, undermining him in the background. Like trump or farage.

Rory is about as close to a remainer as its possible to get. Hes a sheep, and wants mays remainer deal or even worse. If he gets in, then thats great. For farage to destroy them sometime soon after. Because plainly they still do not get it! We voted to LEAVE. And the people know perfectly well that a elites/remainer BRINO stitchup is not brexit.

As the peterboro election results will show. The candidate that is standing for a fast and no deal brexit that we all voted for 3 years back will win. Even if he doesent win then he will still get enough votes to send a serious message to the elites in power. Just as in the EU erections. And the fact that 80% of the voters voted for a LEAVE party in the last general election. And of course in the referendum. And even parliment voted with a huge majority to trigger article 50, which is legally leave with no deal if you dont have one... How many votes, does it take before they get it???

It isn't a bluff when they were locked in debate for hours, some of the 27 obviously weren't going rubber stamp an extension. It'll be even harder come 31 October. As we have said before trade with continue just with higher prices, they won't lose too much, people will still buy VW, BMW and Mercs, possibly down on current levels but it won't stop. Unless we impose higher duty levels like Trump has on China and potentially Mexico. It doesn't matter who we send it'll end up in no deal as they won't move for a new face, how many ministers had a go and failed? They think that they have the upper hand and won't budge. What is the worst that can happen, they lose some money we agreed to pa for a trade deal, money they didn't have so the loss is theoretical and trade drops slightly, some of the 27 won't be bothered about that as we aren't a significant export market. I just can't see how all 27 will stick together if another extension is needed.

The likes of Rory in safe seats know that they will be reelected and are probably hoping that they will lead the party after the next election when the Tories get hammered, he will be one of the few left. Leave without a deal wasn't part of Leave's campaign, all the high profile figures said that it would be easy to do, it is only now that goal posts have moved when the idiots who thought that it would be easy realised that it isn't. Even Farage thought that a deal was needed. Donkeys, the whole bunch of them. Direct democracy needed.

[Burgerman]

It isn't a bluff

yes it is. Those making the decisions are elitists, who love their pet project. The people and the businesses that will suffer (more than we will) absolutely want a trade deal. Even a 10% drop in sales puts people and profits at huge risk. And they know this. They will, as here, object. And change will happen.

when they were locked in debate for hours, some of the 27 obviously weren't going rubber stamp an extension.

The elites that love the project, but ultimately not the people or the businesses. Which will get rid of them later...

It'll be even harder come 31 October. As we have said before trade with continue just with higher prices, they won't lose too much, people will still buy VW, BMW and Mercs, possibly down on current levels but it won't stop. Unless

Thats all that it takes.

we impose higher duty levels like Trump has on China and potentially Mexico. It doesn't matter who we send it'll end up in no deal as they won't move for a new face, how many ministers had a go and failed? They think that they have the upper hand and won't budge.

We shouldnt send ANYONE. We already handed them the 40 billion, and agreed to all their demands because they KNOW that we already told them we wont leave without a deal. Because or thick remainers told them so. So we are now left with no negotiating power whatever. Stupid parliment and stupid remainers.
All we can now do to re level the playing feild is LEAVE. And then do a deal for trade in the futur, once they realise that they no longer hold the best cards.

What is the worst that can happen, they lose some money we agreed to pa for a trade deal, money they didn't have so the loss is theoretical and trade drops slightly, some of the 27 won't be bothered about that as we aren't a significant export market. I just can't see how all 27 will stick together if another extension is needed.

They are all in recession, or almost so, with unemployment at high levels, some in massive debt, and you think that their biggest trading partner who they sell more stuff to than any other country wont bother them? Of course it will. The EU is already struggling to survive. Thats why they want us to remain, or have a single market deal, or get hold of the 40 billion, now 50 by the way.

The likes of Rory in safe seats know that they will be reelected and are probably hoping that they will lead the party after the next election when the Tories get hammered, he will be one of the few left. Leave without a deal wasn't part of Leave's campaign,

Yes it was. You did not listen to cameron? Or read that lefelet? VERY CLEAR. It also never said anything about getting (or wanting) anything other than a TRADE deal. That stuff is totally clear. As was the no customs union, and no single market. Totally clear. And so was the warnings about jobs, businesses, and the economy. And more. All super clear. And we voted for that REGARDLESS.

all the high profile figures said that it would be easy to do, it is only now that goal posts have moved when the idiots who thought that it would be easy realised that it isn't. Even Farage thought that a deal was needed. Donkeys, the whole bunch of them. Direct democracy needed.

Wrong. They said a TRADE deal will be easy, still is if we leave with no deal. And would have been easy 3 years back if the morons in parliment had not agreed to hand over 40 billion for nothing, and agree to all their surrender stuff, as well as telling them that we would not leave without a deal. All possibly planned by remainer may. That prevented an easy agreement as you already handed them all the negotiating advantages BEFORE agreeing a trade deal. So it WAS easy, now up the creek, that through moronic clueless negotiating by simpletons that defy belief.
Do you not get that?

Its like sending a 7 year old to buy a used car. First he tells the saleseman how much money he has. Then tells the saleseman that he wont go home without the car. And THEN tries to do a price deal... Thats gona be an expensive car...
What a wise car buyer would do, is tell the dealer you are not that bothered, pick a few faults, tell him theres another one you have to look at (WTO) and it has a lot of advantages (true) and then offer him 1/2 the asking price. And leave him your number and leave with no deal. He will call you later to discuss the new lower price.
And so we have fucked it all up, now must leave instantly no deaL/WTO to then negotiate a trade deal later once it hurts them. Because they will want that if they are to remain in power. But still they dont get that.

Its what trump would have done. Its what I would have done. Its what farage will do. But remainer may and the other 80% parlimentary remainers fucked it up. Planned or simply too simple in the head. She agreed everything BEFORE agreeing a trade deal. She let the used car dealer decide on the questions and told her what she would pay/get. Se is an idiot. As are all the remainers in parliment.

[Scooterman]

What was the result in the EU election for your area?

I'm in constituency called Surrey Heath and i think we come under South East area during EU elections.
But regarding general elections, Surrey is true Blue, none bluer. There's no way anyone but a Tory would ever be elected. The nearest was 2010 when ukip got about 7000 and tory got about 27000. Although Leave just edged it in referendum .

[Burgerman]

Farage slaughtered the conservatives in the SOUTH EAST area. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng ... parliament
And in your bit, 3x the votes the conservatives got. In the general erection, this may be less extreme. But conservatives are likely to lose EVERY seat.

Surrey Heath European Parliamentary Elections results

More success for The Brexit Party in Surrey Heath with 9,492 votes:

Change UK - The Independent Group - 1,014
Conservative and Unionist Party - 3,174
Green Party - 2,753
Labour Party - 1,109
Liberal Democrats - 6,546
The Brexit Party - 9.492
The Socialist Party of Great Britain - 29
UK European Union Party (UKEUP) - 87
UK Independence Party (UKIP) - 471
McMahon, Jason Guy Spencer - 53
Round, David Victor - 27
Turberville, Michael Jeffrey - 21

sO IF A CANDIDATE STANDS (THEY WILL) THEN THE BREXIT PARTY COULD EASILY WIN. Esp if YOU VOTE!!!

[wheelie junkie]

I get that we were negotiating with an organisation that will watch us leave with no deal if a deal meant destroying their cosy club. They will never let that happen. They'll accept no deal as they know trade will continue, we have already published duty rates so they can see exactly how much their goods will increase. If I was them I'd respond to any threat of no deal with go ahead. We all lose. They'll have been prepared for that from day 1 but just had an easy ride but will now be discussing how to respond and once again will accept no deal if they have to. That will f'ck off the remainer MP's who won't have any say in it and keep Farage happy. Just go in with unrealistic demands and it'll end quickly enough.

[Burgerman]

I get that we were negotiating with an organisation that will watch us leave with no deal if a deal meant destroying their cosy club.

Yes. Although their club is rapidly disintegrating. The PEOPLE in every country are sick of it. The right, and left, all want to change things or leave. The 3 big leaders are all up the creek now. There wont be an EU in a few years. There may be a tradfing block.

And you are wrong. They need us to buy their stuff. Ecionomics say they WILL do a trade deal, if we leave. As we should have done 3 years ago.

Did you WATCH that burgerking comedian?
Leaving was always easy. What was hard was HALF leaving, which we did not voted for. But remainers in charge cannot allow us to actually leave. Hence 3 years of complete bollox.

[wheelie junkie]

They'll only consider a trade deal when we are out, in the interim we'll continue to trade, economics says that you need producers and consumers they will both still be there. What will suffer is car assembly with parts crossing borders, that will be a big unknown and like the rest of it we'll have to wait and see. As more companies realise that no deal is inevitable they'll plan for it both sides of the channel, they have no choice if they want to survive. It needs a no deal PM to make government departments realise that it is real and they need to prepare properly, no stupid contracts for non existent ferries.

[Burgerman]

The gov cant prepare for anything. They are a bunch of houswives, and university geeks that studied politics and marxism etc. Non of them have a clue how the world works, how to actually do a deal, or anything else. We have already seen this endlessely over my lifetime. The best one was brown telling the market he was selling off a shit load of gold on a specific day. You couldnt make it up. And he was in charge of the countries economy!!!

Seriously I think the lot of them put together have less of a clue that the bosses of a few local small businesses.

The aircraft and car industry parts and reshipping has already been adressed and works fine under WTO rules. Not that it will be WTO for long anyway. Why are you fixated on cars? Thats a tiny proportion of the total. In any case, my dad drove an audi 80 long before we signed up to any EEC common market deal. It never made a damned bit of difference then, and it wont when we leave. Which we could have done 3 years back.

[wheelie junkie]

The car industry is one of our biggest exports to the EU and ROW as well as being a big employer. Cars are relatively high unit value. Exporting more cars grows GDP. How many other industries do we have that generate those kind of numbers. We haven't got the movement of parts sorted, WTO rules require companies to set up bonded warehouses for goods temporarily imported and then re-exported, documenting and accounting for it requires changes to the stock control and accounting software. A pain when some of those parts get used on cars sold here so duty is payable but it isn't on cars exported. A lot easier for the aircraft industry where we don't make the finished product, everything gets exported. The other consideration is country of origin, to qualify under WTO a certain % has to be made in the UK, that is difficult to hit, my Luton made Vauxhall Vivaro only just scrapes in above 50%. Under current EU rules none of the above is a problem.

The EU and globalisation changed the way cars were made, components come from all over the world and brands share development selling their own version of the same design, about as far removed from British Leyland as possible thankfully.

The big problem now is that the foreign owners of car companies aren't investing in the UK with electric technology that is desperately needed if we want to avoid closing plants like the Ford decision today.

[sad_vampire]

What was the result in the EU election for your area?

I'm in constituency called Surrey Heath and i think we come under South East area during EU elections.
But regarding general elections, Surrey is true Blue, none bluer. There's no way anyone but a Tory would ever be elected. The nearest was 2010 when ukip got about 7000 and tory got about 27000. Although Leave just edged it in referendum .

You say that yet Guildford went Lib Dem for a while not that long ago, & the Lib Dems have managed to overturn the Cons majority in Mole Valley Council.

Here in Mole Valley the Lib Dems are taking Tory council seats because Tories are not turning out to vote for their own party. If this happens in a General Election then these Surrey seats could be lost to the Lib Dems, or,
if the Brexit party stands & fights these seats they could pick them up.

My local MP is Sir Paul Beresford, not much of an outspoken character apart from him not being able to understand Scottish MPs in the Commons (that was hilarious). He's been voting for Mrs Merkels (Mays) deal, & he's 72 years old, so could get removed/retire. This is likely to be one of the seats the Tory remainers parachute their leaders into, hoping for a safe seat. Massive Tory majority at the moment but most of those Tories are likely brexiteers who could vote Brexit Party.

Lib Dems may well pick up Mole Valley, but it's also just as open to the Brexit Party.

[Scooterman]

You say that yet Guildford went Lib Dem for a while not that long ago, & the Lib Dems have managed to overturn the Cons majority in Mole Valley Council.

Here in Mole Valley the Lib Dems are taking Tory council seats because Tories are not turning out to vote for their own party. If this happens in a General Election then these Surrey seats could be lost to the Lib Dems, or,
if the Brexit party stands & fights these seats they could pick them up.

Massive Tory majority at the moment but most of those Tories are likely brexiteers who could vote Brexit Party.

Lib Dems may well pick up Mole Valley, but it's also just as open to the Brexit Party.

It's be funny if we ended up with a Lib-Dem/Brexity Party coalition government

[Burgerman]

Well thats impossible. The brexit lot would chalenge libtard leaders to a duel.