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A weird world view.

Postby sacharlie » 14 Nov 2019, 22:32

Here in the USA GREED is GLORIFIED. The TOP 0.25% live off the backs of the WORKING MIDDLE CLASS.
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Re: A weird world view.

Postby Burgerman » 15 Nov 2019, 05:55

Thats not a world view. Or even close to one.

Thats a thought experiment to show unequal distribution of people with a different real aim. Written by a socialist.

How do I know?

More seriously, the statistics on wealth inequality are galling--85% of the wealth in the world are owned by only 10 people, and 70 people own only 3% of global wealth.


-More seriously = the point he REALLY wanted to make and his reason for the article. And you too.
-Galling = he doesent like it. So he wants to equalise it, wealth redistribution. Workes great! :clap
-wealth in the world are owned by = he thinks theres a fixed pie of 'stuff' or wealth and a small group own it. Wealth is not a fixed object. It exists in the world only because of production, and capitalism. If you shared it all out equally, within a short time all those that were not productive would be poor again with less interest in helping themselves while they had enough. Those that were richer, would be rich again because they understand how to grow the pie. His premise and understanding is both flawed and his idea of wealth is incorrect.

So garbage. The distribution of people isnt, but neither is it any different to what I expected. 8 billion on the planet, only 700million in EU/US combined.
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Re: A weird world view.

Postby foghornleghorn » 15 Nov 2019, 12:26


youtu.be/UbffuGZHeR0

It seems to count wealth in a USD value which doesn't take into account what money is actually worth in different places.

Judging things by a level you consider poor in America, with American costs of living and all the unnecessary shit people seem to think are essentials now, makes no sense if you take the same pot of money to a different country.

$10,000 in America - boohoo your a pauper
$10,000 in Africa - living like a king

What I very much doubt you will be able to understand is that there are whole countries where anyone earning more than $200 a month has staff - at the very least a maid, and someone on $200 a week would have the full set of maid, cook, nanny, gardener, driver, etc. Even though low paid by American standards these are sought after jobs too, not looked down on as if being a servant is a shitty occupation. Light work in a house is much preferable to manual labour in a field for similar money.
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Re: A weird world view.

Postby Burgerman » 15 Nov 2019, 12:58

The other thing he plainly doesent understand is that he thinks THE wealth is THE money. Like theres some fixed amount of wealth. Like someone being wealthy somehow makes another person poor. Thats how a socialist see things. It never occurs that the reason that rich countries are rich is because they MADE themselves righ through production. And all the poor countries and individuals can do the same. Its not about sharing THE wealth, but creating wealth.

Even the poorest in the US live like kings, compared to anyone in many other poorer countries. Regardless of money. Because those nasty rich western capitalist countries, the evil ones with the greatest rich/poor inequality that stupid socialists keep on screaming about have the longest and most comfortable lives, great healthcare, with plentiful food and all other products on the shelves, and clean water, sanitation, housing, flat screen TVs, cars, pools, fridges, air conditioning, safety, civilisation, protection by law, millitary, fast emergency rooms, and educated doctors and drugs and public services, bridges, roads, street lighting, power, fuel etc etc. And this applies even to the poor. They live better longer lives than even the richest in some (usually socialist or run by low IQ native population in endless turmoil) countries. (watch them fight in 3rd world african 'parliments'. Over and over, chairs, blood etc. Massive fights involving dozens at a time. Highly entertaining.) Theres good reason some countries are poor.

Still dont get how thats a worldview?
Its just a list of (dubious unknown source) facts.
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Re: A weird world view.

Postby foghornleghorn » 15 Nov 2019, 14:20

The 'facts' are simplistic but presented as though they are definitive. A more interesting discussion would be why some of them are the way they are.

Take for example toilets.

60 with a toilet
40 without a toilet - 15 of whom shit outdoors

Obviously this is all down to the one man with 50% of all the worlds money living in a huge mansion with 17 solid gold toilets, paid for by everyone else who is poor :roll:
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Re: A weird world view.

Postby Burgerman » 15 Nov 2019, 16:12

He is probably a capitalist, a greedy overpriced toilet maker and has everyone elses money.
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Re: A weird world view.

Postby foghornleghorn » 15 Nov 2019, 18:08

He is probably one of the USA's glorified greedy. You know who I mean - the top 0.25% who with no personal effort or taking any risk live off the backs of the working middle class.

How mad is it that in such a forward thinking developed country every time you gather 399 people together they decide to buy 1 man a factory and force him to be in charge of it?
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Re: A weird world view.

Postby Burgerman » 15 Nov 2019, 20:29

You dont need to look as far as a country.

We have a mostly labour local government. They are clueless, in debt, and the town is badly planned, covered in litter and rubbish, all the footpaths are broken and theres thousands of chavs running riot in what is left of the town centre. Although they get plety of handouts. They have abandoned all the green spaces and parks, and cut down half of the trees in the town to save on maintainance. Not that they do any. They cant afford to because they are in debt.

The next town along has a conservative government. The fences are creosoted black and repaired, Road signs and any grafiti gone in a few days. Theres plants and trees, and hanging baskets. The bins are emptied twice as often, the footpaths and streets are cleaned and broken slabs replaced properly. The shops are thriving because they dont hound you into pay council car parks with millions of traffic wardens. Instead they get all the chavs off the streets and police it properly. The difference is night and day. One is run IN BUDGET and has proper long term planning that keeps businesses happy, and the place looking good for residents and tourists alike, the other doesent. But employs twice as many paper pushers, to manage its debt caused by hopeless management and planning.

We are hoping to get our useless socialist MP out in a couple of weeks.
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Re: A weird world view.

Postby Lord Chatterley » 17 Nov 2019, 18:00

More seriously, the statistics on wealth inequality are galling--85% of the wealth in the world are owned by only 10 people, and 70 people own only 3% of global wealth.


85% of the wealth is owned by 10 people? czy

No it ain't.

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Re: A weird world view.

Postby Burgerman » 05 Dec 2019, 04:43

You dont own wealth. You MAKE wealth.

You can take a poor country where people die early, have nothing, no natural resources, etc and you can make it very wealthy. Like HK for e.g. All it takes is education, capitalism, free trade, and a little time. In time, in common with all capitalist rich western economies it becomes WEALTHY. The poor have flat screen TVs and can eat, have a roof, clothes, medical care, clean water and sanitation.

You can do the opposite too. As much of the world did starting in the early 1910 to 1920s. You can embrace socialism, and its complete form, the final goal of communism. Wealth redisribution, central control, etc.Just like corbyn, sanders, etc want to do with our countries. Thats a garanteed way to make the wealth vanish, the poorest in society much poorer. It starved 80 million across the asian continent, 20 million across eastern europe. It removed freedom, hope, and any way to recover from around 1/3rd the planet over 50 to 60 years till the berlin wall fell. Now all those countries are desperately poor but beginning to recover.

It was started 20 years ago again in venuzuala, a new convert. The richest south american country, with the greatest oil reserves on the planet, and now after eating all their pets, zoo animals, and running from empty shops where wheelbarrows full of cash wont and cant buy a meal, and away from dirty drug and power devoid hospitals, to other coutries. Suffering inflation running at millions of percent today, the country is in total freefall. That wealh redistribution -- te promis of all socialists -- did what it always does. It bankrupted the country and the money tree of taxing the rich vanished along with production, employment etc. Yet they are so poor that they just voted socialist AGAIN for all the handouts they think they are getting. You couldnt make it up.
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Re: A weird world view.

Postby Scooterman » 05 Dec 2019, 19:48

Under a socialist system the wealth that socialists want to redistribute would disappear because it's only under a capitalist system that the wealth is produced.

Under socialism redistributing a large percentage of a little pot is no more beneficial for people, than under capitalism redistributing a small percentage of a large pot.

Hence under socialism everyone is more equal, equally poor.

But that doesn't matter to socialists because they are inherently jealous by nature.
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Re: A weird world view.

Postby Burgerman » 05 Dec 2019, 19:53

Well it mattered a bit. 100 million starved or were killed over the last century. And 2 billion suffered horrific poverty, with no way out. And these same 2 billion had no choices, no freedom, bad or no medical care or any hope. Just as is now occuring all over again in venuzuala.

Still, better this than having those rich people with more than us eh? :clap
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