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Re: TerrainHopper

PostPosted: 26 May 2016, 13:10
by Reuben's Place
We bought a terrain Hopper an overland 4 2013

Would not recommend them. First time we used it it caught fire. OK maybe they were just unlucky that time, however it has broken down 80%-90% of the time we have used it. Which basically means having to carry my son in a fireman's lift and then push the terrain hopper back.

Or just leave it where it breaks down and carry my son back home and hope its till there when i get back to it, to then have to push it back.

So no I would not recommend one.

Still keeps you fit

Re: TerrainHopper

PostPosted: 26 May 2016, 13:21
by Reuben's Place
larryvoyer wrote:Can someone review the TerrainHopper - http://www.terrainhopper.com. I can't find it anywhere on forum. I'm looking at the Overlander 4Z



We bought a terrain Hopper an overland 4 2013

Would not recommend them. First time we used it it caught fire. OK maybe they were just unlucky that time, however it has broken down 80%-90% of the time we have used it. Which basically means having to carry my son in a fireman's lift and then push the terrain hopper back.

Or just leave it where it breaks down and carry my son back home and hope its till there when i get back to it, to then have to push it back.

So no I would not recommend one.

Still keeps you fit

Re: TerrainHopper

PostPosted: 26 May 2016, 13:28
by Burgerman
First time we used it it caught fire


What exactly caught fire? Let me guess. A lithium battery with a BMS system on it :?

Re: TerrainHopper

PostPosted: 26 May 2016, 13:33
by Reuben's Place
Burgerman wrote:
First time we used it it caught fire


What exactly caught fire? Let me guess. A lithium battery with a BMS system on it :?


You guessed it Quite an experience trying to get your disabled son out while its on fire. Good job we where on the beach, sand does put out fires quickly :shock: :shock:

Re: TerrainHopper

PostPosted: 26 May 2016, 13:50
by steves1977uk
http://www.terrainhopper.com/product/2216/

Specs just say 2x12v 80AH batteries. Was this upgraded to a Lithium pack?

Steve

Re: TerrainHopper

PostPosted: 26 May 2016, 14:05
by Reuben's Place
steves1977uk wrote:http://www.terrainhopper.com/product/2216/

Specs just say 2x12v 80AH batteries. Was this upgraded to a Lithium pack?

Steve


Yes it was

Re: TerrainHopper

PostPosted: 26 May 2016, 14:48
by Burgerman
This is exactly why we DONT use a BMS and why we charge with a proper charger instead. Those things always screw up the pack, fail, or occasionally burn your house down.

Also you need a bigger pack to load the cells less.

Re: TerrainHopper

PostPosted: 26 May 2016, 15:47
by steves1977uk
Reuben's Place wrote:
steves1977uk wrote:http://www.terrainhopper.com/product/2216/

Specs just say 2x12v 80AH batteries. Was this upgraded to a Lithium pack?

Steve


Yes it was


Lemme guess, a pack made with LiPo or LiCo cells? No chair or buggy for disabled people should use those or a BMS (Burn Me Stupid aka Battery Management System). The only safe cells are the LiFePO4 ones with a proper charger.

Steve

Re: TerrainHopper

PostPosted: 26 May 2016, 22:01
by Burgerman
Burn Me Stupid aka Battery Management System


Battery Murdering System,
or
Battery Massacre System.

What happened is this. Guy designs Lead powered off roader. Figures out that after 15 minutes actual off road the battery is dead... Because that CANNOT work. Comes here to visit me several years ago. Sees my lithium pack which is huge, uses no BMS...

Goes to LiFePO4 expert. These people are basically in the business of selling Lithium batteries to dummies. So they recommend a Lithium block to replace the lead bricks.

This will be The SAME capacity as the Lead... (WRONG!!!)
And since everybody knows you need a BMS it wiill have one, and a dumb charger. (WRONG!!!)

Result, battery reliability issues, short service life, not much better range than lead, possible fires. And lithium gets a bad reputation through ignorance.

Re: TerrainHopper

PostPosted: 29 May 2016, 18:10
by Sully
Quote; "Because its not a wheelchair, its a car". But don't head to the highway in it! :lol: All that will be heard is beep squish!! :o

All kidding aside though, those look to be pretty good prices for those machines. I still am not too sure I could access or egress them "easily" And I also think the beach patrol, may take exception with them, Where a "chair looking rig" looks like it belongs there. These patrols do not like stuff that doesn't fit exactly in the definitions section of their "book" and do no have a great sense of humor while you are trying to explain your point. Because it's not a wheelchair, it's a car. makes my point very well.

Re: TerrainHopper

PostPosted: 25 Aug 2018, 18:31
by sacharlie
Burgerman wrote:Also there's a big difference between a racy two stroke zinging and assaulting your ears with a rooster tail of dirt thrown up behind it, and a quiet 4 stroke electric start twist and go utility 4x4.

One is for racing. The other usually for hiking/farming. The 4 stroke ones can be really quiet, and offend nobody.

Something like this http://www.saferwholesale.com/125cc-Mid ... xe_atv.htm



That's a very good link!

Petro is convenient but over here limits where you can use it. All the government parks allow only electric mobility aids.

Re: TerrainHopper

PostPosted: 25 Aug 2018, 20:23
by Burgerman
Theres literally 1000s of similar or different devices. Thats the first twist and go, leccy start, reverse on bars, quiet 4 stroke I saw... And easy to modify for a rehab style seat. Or even joystick control. And cheap.

The only issue is while very quiet, its only got 7hp so wont be ripping up any trees! Wont have the power to climb out of an old quarry or anything major... And top speed will be pretty limited at about 35 mph. So any use on a road may be a liability. But it will outperform battery power by a large margin while being much lighter/cheaper. Also noticed a sale 1100 dollars!

Re: TerrainHopper

PostPosted: 28 Aug 2018, 01:53
by ex-Gooserider
sacharlie wrote:Petro is convenient but over here limits where you can use it. All the government parks allow only electric mobility aids.


WRONG!!!! Check the ADA rules - definitely apply since you give your location as Texas, and last I heard they haven't managed to secede yet... :mrgreen:

The ADA guidelines specifically say that ANY form of mobility aid, including petroleum powered, must be allowed unless there are specific reasons not to, i.e. petro isn't allowed indoors for safety reasons. They can also prohibit dual track vehicles (including regular power chairs) on single track trails if the trail would be damaged.... They DO allow "reasonable" rules about use, for instance restricting you to walking speeds in pedestrian areas, etc....

ex-Gooserider