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Re: Dell Desktop - New Win 10 install

Postby Burgerman » 15 Nov 2017, 03:21

Try these settings. Then tell bios to boot from usb. I know that works, I just did it... Boots old bios/mbr and new fangled stuff equally.
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Re: Dell Desktop - New Win 10 install

Postby expresso » 15 Nov 2017, 04:01

i am making it now -

once its made - then what do i do with it
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Re: Dell Desktop - New Win 10 install

Postby Burgerman » 15 Nov 2017, 04:05

Set bios to boot from USB and test... Then you can do a lot of stuff!
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Re: Dell Desktop - New Win 10 install

Postby expresso » 15 Nov 2017, 04:23

Burgerman wrote:Set bios to boot from USB and test... Then you can do a lot of stuff!



thats the part that never worked out for me - my bios - on my desktop never got it working that way - the bios on the Dell i never even looked into it- and may not even do it even now -
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Re: Dell Desktop - New Win 10 install

Postby expresso » 15 Nov 2017, 05:12

just tried it on the laptop i am using now - and nothing happens - usb is in - reboot - hit F12 and brings me in to make changes

but not much to change or adjust - not many options -

one boot order - only choice i have if i click that is telling me it will turn off UEFI and will affect how it boots etc, - warnings to only change this if you know what it will do etc. etc, - and i dont so i didnt click it :)

my luck it will brink my laptop not making me boot at all -

a laptop with no CD rom - should already be setup to boot from a USB thumb drive - as first item to check and then go into the OS -

this was my problem with my desktop also - i have options there and cant seem to get it right - i change this or that - it seems to have a mind of its own and never booted from the USB either -

reason why i like disks - at least that works for me - if i set the first boot to CD Rom -

i know i need to just set the first boot to USB - then CD ROM and then OS - if i want both options - but cant get it to do that - i tried before - with older systems - before UEFI - it was much easier to make the changes - at least to me - now who knows whats what -

i really never bothered with it since i never needed to use it that way - on my future system i need to make it work that way - wont get internal CD drives - one external Blu ray drive burner -

i hope by then i can figure it out :?
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Re: Dell Desktop - New Win 10 install

Postby expresso » 15 Nov 2017, 05:27

its F2 i need to hit during boot - brings me to many other settings - but now - its not clear what i need to change - cant make this change unless i change the secure boot etc, etc,

so since its not clear to me - i need step by step instructions so i dont mess it up - i am not going to guess - i need my laptop to work -

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Re: Dell Desktop - New Win 10 install

Postby Burgerman » 15 Nov 2017, 10:59

Turn that off. Its not useful to us.

UEFI Secure Boot (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface) is the successor of BIOS (Basic Input Output System) and is used in new 64-bit complete computers with Windows 8 and above.

The standard enabled UEFI runs only signed bootloaders for security reason. Therefore, it is not possible to boot the computer from a CD or USB drive, unless the option is disabled.


Tell it to boot USB first. You need to take charge! Every single PC and laptop can boot from USB since about 2000. Every bios is different. So nobody can tell you how.
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Re: Dell Desktop - New Win 10 install

Postby LROBBINS » 15 Nov 2017, 11:43

The standard enabled UEFI runs only signed bootloaders for security reason. Therefore, it is not possible to boot the computer from a CD or USB drive, unless the option is disabled.

Another useless bit of Microsoft "security". Any hacker can add a self-signed certificate, so this is only protecting the computer from ordinary users not from the seriously mal-intentioned. Of course, this, and other similar things (e.g. needing a signed certificate to let a program in Program Files modify its own files) just make a royal PITA for writers of application programs (such as Rachi's communications system). (BTW, the actually useful aspects of UEFI, and there are some, will still be there even if UEFI secure boot is disabled.)
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Re: Dell Desktop - New Win 10 install

Postby steves1977uk » 15 Nov 2017, 16:24

I always disable Secure Boot on my PCs with an UEFI based BIOS as it serves no real usefulness. I create the Sergei bootable USB stick formatted with NTFS using Rufus, always boots, even on an old 2003 Dell Precision M60 laptop.

Also I use this... http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details ... aller.html for uninstalling preloaded crap/bloat in one go, a very useful program for cleaning up OEM branded OS installs.

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Re: Dell Desktop - New Win 10 install

Postby expresso » 15 Nov 2017, 17:00

Burgerman wrote:Turn that off. Its not useful to us.

UEFI Secure Boot (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface) is the successor of BIOS (Basic Input Output System) and is used in new 64-bit complete computers with Windows 8 and above.

The standard enabled UEFI runs only signed bootloaders for security reason. Therefore, it is not possible to boot the computer from a CD or USB drive, unless the option is disabled.


Tell it to boot USB first. You need to take charge! Every single PC and laptop can boot from USB since about 2000. Every bios is different. So nobody can tell you how.



the bios is not the ususal setup - all options are different - its not as simple as saying boot usb first - dell has here own setup going and i have to find out from Dell if i want to be sure which options to disable or change - or take chances doing it on the blind -

my desktop - thats different - i can change it around also - but i have tried in the past and never got it to work so i left it to book from CD rom at least -
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Re: Dell Desktop - New Win 10 install

Postby Burgerman » 15 Nov 2017, 17:01

The problem isnt the mem stick, rufus, sergei, or anything else. Its just that as yet, just like the lithium thing, expresso is learning about how it all works. Which is good. Expect a long thread! :fencing
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Re: Dell Desktop - New Win 10 install

Postby expresso » 15 Nov 2017, 17:07

Burgerman wrote:The problem isnt the mem stick, rufus, sergei, or anything else. Its just that as yet, just like the lithium thing, expresso is learning about how it all works. Which is good. Expect a long thread! :fencing


yes thats correct - i never had to use it in this way so never bothered to make it work with the USB - its just a matter of getting it correctly set up to do it - the laptop is my back up system - so not looking to play around and guess on that - i need that to work - and it does -

when i get a chance i may call Dell and have them walk me thru it - but maybe not since i cant stand talking to someone in india that i dont understand nor does he know what to do either - too much time wasted and nothing resolved other than my blood pressure going up - so i may just take a chance on my own maybe - no rush to do it now -

the desktop i may take a look in there again -
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Re: Dell Desktop - New Win 10 install

Postby steves1977uk » 15 Nov 2017, 17:14

The problem isnt the mem stick, rufus, sergei, or anything else. Its just that as yet, just like the lithium thing, expresso is learning about how it all works. Which is good. Expect a long thread! :fencing


:lol: Haha, I agree BM, it's gonna be a loooongggggg thread explaining how to set up a PC to boot off USB to expresso czy You'll need a few beer BM! :lol: :thumbup:

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Re: Dell Desktop - New Win 10 install

Postby expresso » 15 Nov 2017, 17:17

wont be long - i just wont do it - hahaha - not going to stress over it - i always find a way to get done what i need done - may not be the same road you take - but in the end we meet at the same spot - then we can have a beer
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Re: Dell Desktop - New Win 10 install

Postby steves1977uk » 15 Nov 2017, 17:23

expresso wrote:yes thats correct - i never had to use it in this way so never bothered to make it work with the USB - its just a matter of getting it correctly set up to do it - the laptop is my back up system - so not looking to play around and guess on that - i need that to work - and it does -

when i get a chance i may call Dell and have them walk me thru it - but maybe not since i cant stand talking to someone in india that i dont understand nor does he know what to do either - too much time wasted and nothing resolved other than my blood pressure going up - so i may just take a chance on my own maybe - no rush to do it now -

the desktop i may take a look in there again -


expresso, usually on Dells it's F12 to bring up the boot selection menu, and if a bootable USB drive is present it'll be listed as USB device or similar.

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Re: Dell Desktop - New Win 10 install

Postby expresso » 15 Nov 2017, 18:16

i done that already - F12 and F2 has many more options where i believe is where i would need to make the changes - its just not clear cut - so i would need to know what i am doing - it not like our Gigabyte MB - thats a bit clearer

and then there to i havnt been able to make it boot from USB first - seems like i make changes - save and exit and then go look and its not the same - i get it one day
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Re: Dell Desktop - New Win 10 install

Postby Gnomatic » 15 Nov 2017, 18:20

What's the model# of the laptop?
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Re: Dell Desktop - New Win 10 install

Postby expresso » 15 Nov 2017, 18:27

Dell inspiron 7000 13 inch 2 in 1 -
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Re: Dell Desktop - New Win 10 install

Postby LROBBINS » 15 Nov 2017, 18:35

USB will not show in the boot list if UEFI Secure Boot is enabled. Disable it first and then look again at the boot order choices.
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Re: Dell Desktop - New Win 10 install

Postby expresso » 15 Nov 2017, 19:09

LROBBINS wrote:USB will not show in the boot list if UEFI Secure Boot is enabled. Disable it first and then look again at the boot order choices.



i see - thanks -

in the meantime i will just do the clone the way i first planned on my sisters computer - just to install SSD memory and have it working - will do it tomorrow - got anothe crisis now to deal with - need a worker ASAP now - always something
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Re: Dell Desktop - New Win 10 install

Postby Burgerman » 15 Nov 2017, 19:49

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Re: Dell Desktop - New Win 10 install

Postby steves1977uk » 15 Nov 2017, 20:29

http://www.majorgeeks.com/news/story/wi ... asics.html Windows 10 without the bloated modern apps.

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Re: Dell Desktop - New Win 10 install

Postby expresso » 15 Nov 2017, 20:38

steves1977uk wrote:http://www.majorgeeks.com/news/story/windows_10_no_bloatware_edition_strips_windows_10_down_to_the_basics.html Windows 10 without the bloated modern apps.

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thanks - i belieave the 64 bit home edition would work - dont have a key - i can just install and let windows activate it online ? if i use this - will have it on hand in case i need - i have your ISO i burnt to disk already in case this clone dosnt boot up -

then i would have to use a disk or usb i made for the her Dell computer from the dell site - suppose to be the original OS that was already installed from factory - so worse case - thats it - as long as i make the upgrade - and it boots into windows - after that - i can take care of it and redo it again - having a SSD would make it ALOT faster this time around
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Re: Dell Desktop - New Win 10 install

Postby expresso » 15 Nov 2017, 20:44

so much for that ISO - - i dont have a disk to fit it on - haha - the normal 4.7 gig disk - says it dosnt fit - need more space - i dont have any others now - i havnt purchased blanks in years - what ever i have left over are 4.7gig size
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Re: Dell Desktop - New Win 10 install

Postby steves1977uk » 15 Nov 2017, 20:48

Yes it will activate as long as your PC has a HWID tied to it. No key needed.

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Re: Dell Desktop - New Win 10 install

Postby steves1977uk » 15 Nov 2017, 20:58

expresso wrote:so much for that ISO - - i dont have a disk to fit it on - haha - the normal 4.7 gig disk - says it dosnt fit - need more space - i dont have any others now - i havnt purchased blanks in years - what ever i have left over are 4.7gig size


Another reason to figure out how to boot from an USB drive. Put multiple Windows images on a 32GB stick and use WinNTSetup to apply an image to a HDD/SSD.

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Re: Dell Desktop - New Win 10 install

Postby Burgerman » 15 Nov 2017, 21:05

Expresso trying to escape from 1980. :joint
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Re: Dell Desktop - New Win 10 install

Postby expresso » 15 Nov 2017, 21:08

i agree its good to figure it out and have it boot from a usb - i have to figure it out one day for sure - once i do - then i be less concernced about DVD roms etc, - i dont care to do anything other than have a way to boot it - restore it - recover etc, -

i can do all this with my desktop to play around with - - the laptop - i really need it to work - cant guess this or that and then i am stuck with nothing - now i have to find a worker for this weekend and next week a few days ASAP - not easy and not fun -

most important than a boot usb i would say :x

always something - i am pissed - shouldnt be - but it is and it means i have to make changes - maybe next year after holidays - i clear it up and pick whos in and whos out - if i can hold it together till then - i dont want to Rock the boat too much now - dont have the backup i need to take that on right now - off topic a bit i know - just stress -
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Re: Dell Desktop - New Win 10 install

Postby expresso » 15 Nov 2017, 21:10

Burgerman wrote:Expresso trying to escape from 1980. :joint



70's was the best times -
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Re: Dell Desktop - New Win 10 install

Postby Burgerman » 15 Nov 2017, 21:10

Been there. Dont get an ugly one! :chillpill
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