Trying to cover trump's ass.

[sacharlie]

The latest but it won't help. Far too much of a paper trail and far too many know.

https://democrats-intelligence.house.go ... mentID=361

[Burgerman]

Not the russia bullshit again surely... Who cares?

[Burgerman]

Here in the USA GREED is GLORIFIED.

You mean capitalism? As it should be. Its the only thing allowing every single rich country like yours to prosper and eat. As clearly evidenced over the last 100 years all over the planet by those that think like you... Millions dead. And in the desperate chains of poverty / suffering and no choices in life.

The TOP 0.25% live off the backs of the WORKING MIDDLE CLASS.

Here is the back asswards thinking of all socialists. Remove that .25% from the population and keep doing so since theres always a top .25%, and roll on venuzuala or far worse. Those top .25% are some of the ones GIVING the rest of the also rans like you, a job/house/income/food/cars/phones/internet/drainage/power/fuel/water/medical/roads/newer better worldwide competitive products/gdp/rich society that makes you richer/and able to have everything you value in life. If you want to be richer like them, try doing what the rich did. Instead of whining about them like a spoiled brat.

[sacharlie]

Not the russia bullshit again surely... Who cares?

OK tell your PM Russia had nothing to do with the poisoning of Skripal and his daughter on your soil. Using such chems in a public area where others could be affected is really an act of terror on your soil. Believe the last time was in 2007 and Russia just thumbed it's nose at ya.

While you're at it tell Theresa not to count on trump to be on board if Britain were to ever need to rely on article 5 of NATO.

[Burgerman]

OK tell your PM Russia had nothing to do with the poisoning of Skripal and his daughter on your soil. Using such chems in a public area where others could be affected is really an act of terror on your soil. Believe the last time was in 2007 and Russia just thumbed it's nose at ya.

Not related. And so not relevant. And in any case theres lots of real terrorism sponsored by many muslim countries, so what? And in this case they only took out their own people for spying on them. There are no british called Skripal.

While you're at it tell Theresa not to count on trump to be on board if Britain were to ever need to rely on article 5 of NATO.

Not related. AND you dont know that and I expect you are also wrong. AND, I wouldnt trust trump to cut the grass long before he was your leader. You voted a lying "the most stable intelligent" idiot into power. So what? Still better than the socialist alternative, H. Clinton!

[Vitolds]

Do you seriously think that Russians need to poison someone?
do you have a brain working?
if the secret services had to kill this man, I think he would have got under the car or something like that.
any military man will laugh at you in person, after such stupid accusations.
who have the brains of a hen, will believe this poisoning.

[Burgerman]

The substance used is onl;y produced in your country, and by specialist labs for the government/millitary. So your argument is meaningless. Any rational person should believe only what the evidence shows. Unless you live in a country that feeds its citizens a great deal of propaganda as your does. You dont really have free anything never mind press or TV or government.

[Vitolds]

you have so long shouted that the Russians chose your president and can not find evidence.
And so quickly found guilty of poisoning.
You really are idiots

[Burgerman]

Says a man living in a gov controlled and propaganda filled society. But while ts true there was russian interference with fake news on multimedia etc on the internet so what? Who the hell cares?

[Vitolds]

The substance used is onl;y produced in your country, and by specialist labs for the government/millitary. So your argument is meaningless. Any rational person should believe only what the evidence shows. Unless you live in a country that feeds its citizens a great deal of propaganda as your does. You dont really have free anything never mind press or TV or government.

John, do not be an idiot!

The newcomer is a family of organophosphorous poisonous substances of nerve agent, an inhibitor of acetylcholinesterase.
It belongs to the fourth generation of chemical warfare agents created in the Soviet Union. Work on them began in the 1960s and continued until the 1990s under the "Foliant" program

It was created in the USSR!
And not in Russia!
you know how many countries have emerged from the Soviet Union?
sometimes useful to think with your head

[Vitolds]

Says a man living in a gov controlled and propaganda filled society. But while ts true there was russian interference with fake news on multimedia etc on the internet so what? Who the hell cares?

that's funny.

[Gnomatic]

The Russian Presidential "election" is Sunday. I hear its going to be a nail biter.

[sacharlie]

https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... uk/555407/

[Burgerman]

So? As I said you cant trust anything he says.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ll-the-way

[Vitolds]

Sergey Viktorovich Skripal (born June 23, 1951, Kiev) is a military intelligence officer, until 1999 a member of the GRU, Colonel. In 2006, he was convicted of treason in Russia in the form of espionage in favor of the intelligence services of Great Britain, deprived of military rank. Since 2010, after pardon and exchange of spies between Russia and the United States, he lives in the UK.

On December 15, 2004, the Russian FSB arrested Skripal on charges of cooperation with British intelligence. During the investigation of the criminal case instituted under Art. 275 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation ("Treason"), it turned out that Skripal was recruited by MI6 in 1995 during military service in the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. This happened during a business trip to Spain, where Skripal worked as a military attache of the Russian embassy. According to the historian of the special services, Major-General GRU, retired Valery Malevanny, the so-called "honey trap" was used to recruit Skripal, which in spyware means intimate connection with the object of recruitment . According to other sources, recruitment was associated with money . The organizer of the recruitment of Skripal was the British cadre scout Pablo Miller, who worked under the name Antonio Alvarez de Hidalgo .

On July 9, 2010, the Russian president signed a decree to pardon four Russian citizens, including Skripal, and satisfy their petitions for pardon. At the same time, it was taken into account that all the convicts had already been punished (for example, at the time of the pardon, Skripal was in prison about 5 and a half years) . The pardon was made as part of an operation to exchange four Russian citizens convicted of espionage in favor of the United States and Great Britain and serving their sentence in Russia, against the ten agents of Russian special services (Russian citizens) detained in the United States in June 2010 . According to the site Lenta.ru, the list of Russian prisoners for exchange was proposed by the US authorities . According to the BBC, the inclusion of Scripal in the list for exchange was insisted by the United Kingdom, which considered him "particularly valuable agent." The United Kingdom gave Skripal a pension and guarantees of support in case of life problems. The house in Salisbury, where he settled Skripal, was estimated at 350 thousand pounds

The British newspaper The Telegraph reports that Skripal maintained close ties with the British who worked in the private investigation agency Orbis Business Intellegence of the former British intelligence officer MI6 Christopher Steel, who prepared and handed to the US authorities a "Russian file" Trump

For 8 years he lived in the UK, gave lectures, why kill him?

[Burgerman]

No clue. You tell me? Also not relevant why. Dont care "why". The fact they they did is the issue...

[Vitolds]

No clue. You tell me? Also not relevant why. Dont care "why". The fact they they did is the issue...

this is you telling me

Says a man living in a gov controlled and propaganda filled society.

Who has propaganda?
In 1999, the BBC wrote that the Americans and Great Britain were engaged in cleaning the chemical base in Ukraine and Kazakhstan.
You took everything from these chemical bases.

[Burgerman]

Well obviously not "everything"... Or maybe new. Your leader and country has a record of bad behaviour. Why should this be any different?

[Vitolds]

in Russia full access to any documents, you have that locks everywhere hang?
you can not check the information?
What if the next time "chemistry" is sprayed in the center of London?
And they will tell you that this is Russia.

[Vitolds]

Well obviously not "everything"... Or maybe new. Your leader and country has a record of bad behaviour. Why should this be any different?

I do not understand you

[Burgerman]

And they will tell you that this is Russia.

THEY will only tell us this is russia if the evidence shows that it is true. We do not live in a society that is so full of lies to its own people as you do. At least not to the same level you do. So we do not have the same need to question what we are told. Esp in this case. The evidence is freely available to examine. There Is no anti russia conspiracy in the west. Only concern for your actions.

[Vitolds]

why do you think that they are lying to us?
I now communicate with you, who forbids me?
Can not I have something to ask you?
What nonsense!
do you think that we blindfolded?

[Burgerman]

Pretty much.

[Vitolds]

[Burgerman]

One example. In a free society, you would want to vote. Because there would be real options, alternative candidates. Yet you have the pretence of elections, just to hide the autocracy that means just putin can win... You are fed on state news. Propaganda. You are no more a democracy in the free open western world sense than when you were all communist. Its an illusion. The free, democratic, and open, society wih real free press, free news, low corruption, and fairness, with true free choices hasnt quite arrived in russia yet... Even though you may think it has. Look at the crimea and ukraine for eg. Shooting down airliners, chemical weapons in syria etc. That isnt acceptable. Yes putin always denies everything. But hes not gaining any freinds.

[Vitolds]

look at the Crimea and ukraine?
Do not want to see it yourself? for the sake of interest, at least.
the plane hit Ukraine, if the plane was hit by Russia everywhere there were photos from satellites.
I'm sure you understand.
free press?
Who closes RT?
in Russia all your media work, no one interferes with them.
elections! no problems! the main thing is that you were a citizen of Russia and respected the law.
Western democracy?
why do we need it? why should we live by the "Western", we do not need this!
We have our own life and our own country.
leave your democracy for yourself.

[Vitolds]

look it up Ukraine
like?
https://www.google.com/search?q=%D1%83% ... 80&bih=679

[Burgerman]

You searched for nazi so wha did you expect to see?

RT? We have rules for free unbiased press. RT is a russia owned propaganda version of the news. So it is possibly going to be stopped as part of a bunch of sanctions for the bad behaviour. Personally I dont care since I can hear what is propaganda and ignore it!

[Vitolds]

now it is called Ukraine
this is reality

[Burgerman]

Ask yourself why the suicide rate is massively higher in russia than anywhere in the EU or USA? Is it because its a nice place to live?

Ask yourself why the average lifespan is 5 to 6 years less in your country than the EU or US? And suicide is only a tiny part of this. Is it because your people are healthier? Most are not and they die sooner. The few rich from corruption or whatever CHOOSE to live in a safer better western country. Here... London is full of them. They run away from putins poverty and lack of freedom/choice.

Why not vote for someone that prioritises business, trade, to earn some money for your country? To pay for better medical care, real freedom, better food standards - less heart problems, better economy and less depression and alcoholism, more of everything you need to reverse the trends above? Oh yes, you cant!