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by **expresso** » 04 Apr 2018, 20:34

yes but thats not everywhere in the US - there are many places where the numbers are very low - in the inner cities - they will be high - all the time - any inner city - education - poverty all play a role - the less educated you are - the poorer you are - and inner city - the more likely these things will happen or you be the one doing the killings over drugs or money etc,

the problem is you have to be Rich to live in those places or move in small towns in the Woods etc, - everyone has a gun there and rifle and numbers are lower there - its the inner cities - will always be high - and getting worse in time - i recall where i grew up in the bronx - we left our doors open - cars open - etc, it was a different world back then -

now forget it - its not the same there -

by **Burgerman** » 04 Apr 2018, 20:38

yes but thats not everywhere in the US - there are many places where the numbers are very low - in the inner cities - they will be high - all the time - any inner city - education - poverty all play a role - the less educated you are - the poorer you are - and inner city - the more likely these things will happen or you be the one doing the killings over drugs or money etc,

Absolutely. And that no different here actually because while new york is like london, the rest of the country is overcrowded with 70 million people on a small island living in very close proximity. Its one great big inner city! Yet we still kill only 145 per year compared to your 30,000 plus! Because real gun control actually works.

The thing that you are all calling call gun control, is way, way, way, too little to the point of it being a joke or just to show you have some. Its also far far too late, while living in a country saturated in guns, illegal, legal, doesent matter.

Any 17 year old can get hold of his dads gun, or buy one on the street, and kill you with it. Cant happen here without risk and great difficulty. Because there are almost no guns illegal or otherwise to steal, borrow, or buy! Which just proves your version of gun "control" doesent control anything.

by **expresso** » 04 Apr 2018, 20:50

well yes - if you take away all angles of getting guns legal or otherwise - then yes - Gun Crime will go down - Gun related - other kinds of crimes will go up - killings in other areas will go up - just a Gun wont be used - but i would be OK if there were NO Guns for no one at all if that in fact would keep innocent people from being killed

remember with out Guns we wouldnt be living in a free world either - not that its free but you trust Gov. so much - i dont think so -

by **Burgerman** » 04 Apr 2018, 20:56

Thats also a fallacy. The government is just you the people. Armies of them. So like any government, if they go bad, they get overthrown. By their own people normally. And the government has a very strong military, air force, and missiles, bombs, and nukes. What you going to do with your handgun or rifle? Silly argument.

then yes - Gun Crime will go down - Gun related - other kinds of crimes will go up - killings in other areas will go up - just a Gun wont be used - but i would be OK if there were NO Guns for no one at all if that in fact would keep innocent people from being killed

True, SLIGHTLY, but as the figures worldwide show, they do not ever go up enough to matter compared to having guns. The US has far more dead by all violent means than the UK per 100.000. Because guns make it too easy, too fast, too distant from the other ways of killing.

https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indica ... 5/rankings

Death by all violent means:
UK just 0.9 of a person per 100k population.
US 4.9 persons per 100k population. Right up there with places like somalia, sudan, kenya, cameroon, and worse than Kazakhstan rowanda etc. Trumps "shit hole" countries...

US person is fully 5 times more likely to end up dead, by gun/knife/everything violent than in the UK. Five murdered to every one here. So removing the guns has NOT increased deaths by other means as you say. Its just stopped all the gun deaths! Because those other ways are much harder, messier, and more involved personally. And this also ignores accidental gun deaths or your gun elevated suicide rate too. And that doubles the figure to 10x more likely to die violent deaths. And theres a good few of those too!

So guns make you five times more likelyto die. Same in every modern rich western country. Those with real gun laws, less dead by EVERY method. You do not get an increase in knife deaths to compensate in any substantial way.

by **expresso** » 04 Apr 2018, 23:42

Ok - this can go on for ever - but it is what it is - if the Gov. ever try to take over - i would hope the military would join the people side

but history shows if the people have no guns or power at all to defend themselves - Gov. are more likely to control by any means - and do what ever they want

even if the people Cant take over the military - of course we are out gunned etc, but military are the people also - and you would hope once they realize the Gov. is nuts and crazy - they will take the peoples side -

anyway - theres dozens of ways things like this can play out - one thing for sure - if you are unarmed - the people - its that much easier for a Gov. to take over

look at other countries - and history - your less likely to be taken over if you are armed - at least not without a fight -

by **Burgerman** » 04 Apr 2018, 23:57

ook at other countries - and history - your less likely to be taken over if you are armed - at least not without a fight

I have never seen that. It never gets to that for more than a few hours. Their own millitary normally boot them out. Or riots etc like in the former yugoslavia. Never saw the people v the government with guns.. Because its not needed.

What I have seen is divided populations across badly governed places like almost any black country is, killing each other in complex civil wars with 4 or five sides, based on everything you can imagine, normally different imaginary freinds or different cultures that hate each other. All killing each other and worse for decades at a time... Guns really helped! They can now kill each other better and faster. So not remotely convinced! :ak47

And take a quick look at the middle east. Surprised theres still any left to kill. Been going on for centuries and in modern times guns have just made it a bigger endless mass killing event. Or many african countries. They starve to death while wasting billions over the years on guns. Everything from hand guns or rifles to bombs. They have armies of armed children from 10 year old upwards fighting different groups or tribes. And "god" is on every side of course... hanged

by **expresso** » 05 Apr 2018, 00:34

yes its crazy out there -

not going to change -

by **Burgerman** » 05 Apr 2018, 01:46

I drove from turkey, to a part of syria, and across to iraq in 1995 in a hire car that technically couldnt leave the country, and was only hired for a day. Kept it a week. What can I say. All the roads in those countries then were almost non existent. Just dirt tracks that trailed a mile of dust behind and up to hundreds of feet high at speed. Dry and dusty doesent begin to explain it. No fuel station or other traffic to be seen. No road markings because these are just tracks. We took a bunch of 4 gallon gerry cans with us that filled the back seat. No other traffic at all. We ended up buying fuel, and filling the cans from a seller at the side of the road from plastic drums.

Just hundreds of carts full of melons being pushed by hand almost everywhere. Seems that these, and sheep were the only things they ate. And you couldnt tell one place from the other. It all looked the same. No iraq war or syrian wars there then. At least not like today... Althought they were still killing each other in some areas by all accounts. And they all hate each other in the middle east. And you. Went to one place trying to buy fuel, and a kid came out pointing at us shouting "micheal jackson''' over and over. Because we were western and had a car? And obviously he knew about micheal jackson. And thought we were it!

And trumps shithole countries with untrustworthy people describes them all very well. Some seem OK, but you always get an uneasy feeling. Some make no secret of it, they detest westerners or non muslims. And many detest other muslims even worse. Spitting in a drink was observed by me at a bar in turkey, because the guy hated curds. Kurds? Even turkey was unpaved other than a coast road and about 2 others near the capital back then. And people lived in what can best be described as very rough houses with windows but no glass, no doors, and no furniture. Many slept in these places complete with cows or sheep, massive dogs with spiked collars to stop the wolves attacking, and chickens everywhere roaming about. No water, no toilets, no power, no road signs, no roads! And certainly no shops! Eating was difficult then. And there was many hundreds of miles of this in their countries/deserts. Interesting as long as you are very aware of the risks. Left the hire car outside a hotel in turkey with the keys left inside the hotel when I flew home. Dare not return it! I use the term hotel very loosely. At least it had power. At times.

by **expresso** » 05 Apr 2018, 02:50

not looking forward to that place or anyplace in the middle east - its a shame because alot of these places can be very nice if your life isnt in danger and well kept roads etc,

your asking for trouble if anyone goes there - too bad the world is so torn apart with everyone hating everyone else - how nice it would have been if we all liked each other and free to visit with no worries etc,

by **Burgerman** » 05 Apr 2018, 10:13

your asking for trouble if anyone goes there - too bad the world is so torn apart with everyone hating everyone else - how nice it would have been if we all liked each other and free to visit with no worries etc,

For that to happen, first you would need to wipe out all forms of religous delusion/mind conditioning from birth. Because in almost every case this is the root of almost all hatred, wars, and subsequent suffering.

If you could just get the 90% of the planet that believe in this bollocks to understand that its all a big lie, and that theres no mafia boss thug in the sky then almost all the reasons that people are blowing each other up, stabbing, shooting, and the very reason that there are borders all over the place is gone.

Religion is a desease of the weak minded. And they are killing each other over it. You couldnt make it up. Xstians are no different. They killed millions in the past. Still are, right across developing countries. Theres a story on the news a few weeks back where the black africans are chaining their own children to a tree, and banging nails into their heads... By the thousand. Why? Because they believe that stupid bible where it says that you shal not suffer a witch to live. The ones in the white dresses with pointy hats said so... And to drive out the witches they hammer nails in! And they think many of their children are witches. This is the fault of Xstian missionaries spreading the xstian desease across ignorant black africa. Even in the US where they mostly ignore such stuff and pretend it doesent exist, it causes damage. Perfect new born babies, just need a small bit sawn off to improve them apparently. Religion is just stupid. And for the stupid...

by **Lord Chatterley** » 20 Apr 2018, 10:53

by **snaker** » 23 Apr 2018, 02:44

The pic is very interesting. But in the Middle East, people read from right to left and ...

by **Burgerman** » 23 Apr 2018, 10:37

And also have been beheading and torturing themselves and each other based on their book of bullshit for 12 centuries, with no sign of it ever ending. And then theres the indian nation, who each have 33 gods, including elephants and cow(power)...

To say they are all crazy is obvious to any sane person (athiest). But not to them!
So: :ak47