Burgerman wrote:No you dont.
Its all irrelivant. We voted out. Completely out. Not half out. Not some deal. Not soft brexit. Not remain. Not mays halfway house. None of that.
And it wasnt a vote about economics, and we were clearly toild that we would be poorer and all the rest. We voted to LEAVE completely, regardless of all the technicalities that you get hung up on.
But the political system isn't going to let that happen.
100's of years of representative democracy stands in the way. If May gets that agreement through it is done, over, finished we leave,
What will they overrule?
Thats stage payments, and over many years. So we will stop paying.We have paid the money,
agreed citizens rights, accepted the backstop
We will have our own laws, no freedom of movement.
The biggest problem will be NI and backstop limiting free trade but that might never be solved without breaking up UK and NI.
Different if we end up with a customs union but that looks less likely by the day. It is a mess however you look at it.Quite glad that I have a life expectancy of 5 years at times.
wheelie junkie wrote:
The more £ foreign countries have the more they control the value of the £. If China decided to sell all its £ the value would drop.
wheelie junkie wrote:
Free market economy should not need duty but government uses it to raise revenue or protect local industry especially from state subsidised industry as in China. Anti dumping duty another example of that.
wheelie junkie wrote:
Countries don't trade with each other but do set the rules for trade, Ideally as free and open as possible. They'll also include quality and standards in that. We have all that to work through unless we initially adopt EU standards.
All those rich emerging economies want to sell to us not us to them and if it was so great a potential why hasn't Fox signed them up?
greybeard wrote:Haven't read everything here, but haven't noticed anyone mentioning solicitor Robbin Tillbrook's pending high court action against the government claiming that May's Article 50 extension was illegal and that we did in effect leave the EU legally on 29/03/2019. It seems that other legal eagles including former judges, now say they agree with his argument.
If he ever gets the necessary crowdfunding to get his case before a court, the outcome could be very interesting. I read that May's government is determined to do everything in its power to prevent the case being heard.
Wonder why if, as it claims, there is no substance to Tillbrook's case?
RECALLING that, pursuant to Article 50 TEU, in conjunction with Article 106a of the Euratom Treaty, and subject to the arrangements laid down in this Agreement, the law of the Union and of Euratom in its entirety ceases to apply to the United Kingdom from the date of entry into force of this Agreemen
Try reading the document and the backstop and being tied to it is the big problem, that needs to be sorted.
Almost everything else, things like settled status have been accepted, written into UK law and won't be repealed as those citizens are in effect British.
The same goes for UK citizens living in the EU, revoking parts of an agreement puts them in a vulnerable position. These are the kind of things that had to be agreed upon even in a no deal Brexit, basic human rights that need to be clearly defined.
It'll be interesting to see how repealing parts of a financial agreement which impacts upon employee rights goes down. Can't see Farage wanting his EU pension stopped.
Lord Chatterley wrote:wheelie junkie wrote:
The more £ foreign countries have the more they control the value of the £. If China decided to sell all its £ the value would drop.
Again, it's not countries that buy currency - it's private investment companies, banks, hedge funds, and individual traders. If the Chinese govt sells its UK currency holdings at the wrong price (which it always must do) they will make a loss and others will profit from their mistake.wheelie junkie wrote:
Free market economy should not need duty but government uses it to raise revenue or protect local industry especially from state subsidised industry as in China. Anti dumping duty another example of that.
Let them dump. We get their stuff at a market discount and save money to spend elsewhere.wheelie junkie wrote:
Countries don't trade with each other but do set the rules for trade, Ideally as free and open as possible. They'll also include quality and standards in that. We have all that to work through unless we initially adopt EU standards.
All those rich emerging economies want to sell to us not us to them and if it was so great a potential why hasn't Fox signed them up?
Because Fox is Keynesian not an Austrian.
If he were Austrian he would return this country to unilateral free trade - a policy which has always worked in the past and will always work in the future.
LC
We agree on the backstop but the only real solution has severe consequences for both the UK and NI, we definitely didn't vote to split the union.
People's rights aren't technicalities, action or no action leaves some vulnerable that isn't acceptable to me. If I was an EU citizen living here or UK citizen living in the EU I would want clarity and to be treated fairly not wait until some time in the future uncertain of what that future was.
First we need to see what happens before 31 October, if we can't agree a way forward the EU might well give you a no deal exit which solves any arguments we might have here.
Hard border brings the question where?
NI/Ireland or NI/UK no politician wants to get into that one and really it should be up to NI citizens.
Another referendum to divide a country. Set that rolling and I can guarantee that the SNP will be wanting another independence referendum, surprised that London hasn't tried for independence to remain in the EU before now . Welcome to Little Britain
So hard border NI and Ireland, that requires changes to Good Friday agreement which is what no politician wants to get into.
A majority in NI and Scotland want to remain in the EU obviously the vote was UK wide so they can't. As you say the SNP wanting independence from the UK on one hand to be tied to the EU on the other is contradictory but if they were to win a leave means leave UK independence vote and go on no deal terms we'd be left with a rather large debt/GDP ratio. And putting another hard border in, possibly just rebuild Hadrian's wall.
You won't stop Sturgeon pushing for it, one policy party just like Farage has. The SNP just want to take back control and make their own laws, oops and include a few EU ones.
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