The issue isn't Apple it is how cameras and software are evolving for users who want simplicty
Scooterman wrote:Steve - Does this photo have any metadata in it?
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Make - Apple
Model - iPhone SE
Orientation - Top left
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DateTime - 2019:09:22 12:23:36
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Lens Model - iPhone SE back camera 4.15mm f/2.2
Maker Note (Vendor): -
It just reinforces that a phone is not a substitute for a camera, it is just a quick and handy way to take a snap. Dumbed down so anyone can use it hence software that recognises it. Strip the exif meta data when exporting and you won't have a problem no matter where you upload to.
steves1977uk wrote:It seems to me it's a huge privacy flaw especially when Apple "claims" to protect its users privacy.
Steve
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Burgerman wrote:It just reinforces that a phone is not a substitute for a camera, it is just a quick and handy way to take a snap. Dumbed down so anyone can use it hence software that recognises it. Strip the exif meta data when exporting and you won't have a problem no matter where you upload to.
Yes you will. And its not just phones. Apple introduces an ADDITIONAL error as it saves the data file INCORRECTLY.
Apple cameras save the file on the memory stick frequently the wrong way around. You take a portrait shot, it saves a landscape image. Then RELIES on the exif data to correct it. So removing the data now results in an iage displayed as saved, incorrectly. And the same if the software or browser ignores the data. wWhat it SHOULD do is what my nikons do. Use the gravity sensor, and save the file the correct way around with the narrow side either top or side. Then exif, or no exif, they display correctly. But apple is stupid.
I was out today with a friend who pulled out a Yashica Mat 1240 and asked my support worker to take a shot, she had never used a film camera, no problem with auto rotate
Apple want to make it point and shoot where the moment is captured without thought or knowledge of a process, their photos app is all about memories, time, location and people/faces which I get but that doesn't fit how everyone uses a camera.Facebook/Instagram have become the medium of choice for the majority and making it simple to post without any technical knowledge the goal for the likes of Apple, dumbing down, sorry pre-empting that doesn't always work.
Your Nikon doesn't need to save rotation data as you would correct it in software if it is wrong.
A phone can be held in any orientation so they try and add the correction tag
I've never had a problem, not once even on phone uploads but I use only 2 orientations and up to date software, coincidence? Probably not. I'd rather they did something about video in portrait that really winds me up, auto rotate to landscape would be default on every phone
steves1977uk wrote:Scooterman wrote:Steve - Does this photo have any metadata in it?
Your first image doesn't have any EXIF data, but the second one does as shown below...
Steve
steves1977uk wrote:I just watch that SM, the Surgeon thought he could outsmart the Police but got 8 years in the big house. Serve him right!
Steve
It doesn't really matter what is right or wrong, new software corrects it.
Apple are just trying to make it work for them and the way they think makes it simpler for viewers.
And within the phones processing capabilities. They are behind some phone makers camera technology and I think always will be.
I think that they now have a way of separating out selfies based upon the front facing camera exif tag, another feature I'll probably never use. Luckily photos app is a database and stores things like tagged faces in it rather than store in EXIF but some users complain that it doesn't store in EXIF, privacy concerns? Obviously not. You can't please all of the people all of the time
Your iPhone doesn’t convert any images to the correct orientation because that would keep it busy for a few seconds. Instead it simply saves all photos as they were recorded and adds information about their correct orientation to EXIF tags.
Burgerman wrote:Your iPhone doesn’t convert any images to the correct orientation because that would keep it busy for a few seconds. Instead it simply saves all photos as they were recorded and adds information about their correct orientation to EXIF tags.
It doesent keep any decent camera busy at all as it just caches the image until its figured out which is the right way up, then writes the file CORRECTLY. Meanwhile all android, windows, and every other bit of software and camera stores the photo the right way up... No additional data needed.
Right/wrong,
Burgerman wrote:
You can spin it anyway you want. But its plain stupid.
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