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Postby Burgerman » 03 Nov 2016, 22:17

I see the remoaners are still trying to ignore the vote and not leave the EU. Now all the pro EU members of parliament can vote no to exit. Most of the politicians want in. Most of the elites and the progressives want in. Most of the media want in. The public wanted and voted for OUT. But instead of closing the gate and leaving the day after the referendum, they tarted about and did nothing apart from having discussions about how terrible it all was. And how to have a "soft" (read partial) brexit.

They should have done the article 50 thing, and closed the borders the following day. Now it looks like it will be endlessly delayed, and is an embarrassment to the UK. Just watch, it will never happen. The voters don't matter!

They make it all sound so complicated. Just stop paying the EU, Close the borders, take no notice of them, and do our own thing, today. Its that simple. Theres nothing TO discuss!
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Re: BREXIT

Postby sacharlie » 03 Nov 2016, 23:30

Yep y'all don't have a vote either.
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Postby sacharlie » 03 Nov 2016, 23:32

Oh yeah, those that are messing around on the issue are YOUR plutocrats. They most likely get THEIR way.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby sacharlie » 04 Nov 2016, 01:04

No reply yet! Must be at the pub. :roll:
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Re: BREXIT

Postby sad_vampire » 04 Nov 2016, 01:46

No problem, just show Farage's face to the MPs & they'll vote to start the process off. The threat of a General Election over this should be enough to convince MPs to keep their noses in the trough until 2020.

House of Lords will delay everything as much as possible until they're deemed irrelevant.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby Burgerman » 04 Nov 2016, 11:13

Oh yeah, those that are messing around on the issue are YOUR plutocrats. They most likely get THEIR way.


Quite. Thats one reason we voted brexit, to shake them up! Now they know we don't like it. Parliament dare not refuse to leave. They just want to try and drag it out, make it complicated for no good reason. 2nd more important reason to get the hell out of the EU and shut the borders to all these Muslims. Should have happened the day after the vote.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby Lord Chatterley » 11 Nov 2016, 11:05

No worries - they will never defy a three line whip - they maybe power lusting traitors but even they realise that Brexit is irresistible now.

The 15 million who voted remain was split between 2 political parties = 7.5m labour + 7.5m Conservative.

If the 17 million who voted leave were to vote UKIP it would give them a majority of 166 seats.

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Re: BREXIT

Postby Burgerman » 07 Jan 2017, 01:11

Yes well I knew that was all bollox. But we may see some problems later this and next year. Not least inflation, and a general election due to remoaners being in charge and doing almost NOTHING so far!

When you leave a pub, club etc you do NOT negotiate, you go home and lock the doors.
THEN you negotiate later if they want to sell you stuff...

I also think the UK should vote on if we want Scotland and sturgeon to remain a part of the UK...
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Re: BREXIT

Postby sacharlie » 07 Jan 2017, 01:12

Seems that most were surprised it passed. Maybe Putin fixed the election to weaken Europe and Nato. :D
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Postby Burgerman » 07 Jan 2017, 01:14

Yes, the Russians did it! :roll:

The liberal left and their multiculturalist EU dictatorship bollox that we have suffered for decades is about to get its ass handed to it this year hopefully...
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Postby Lord Chatterley » 07 Jan 2017, 06:15

May hasn't got a clue - Dan Hannan has a much better grasp of free trade - there seems to be a quiet battle going on behind the scenes between the free traders and the market-socialists in the Tory party.

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Postby Lord Chatterley » 07 Jan 2017, 06:24

sacharlie wrote:Seems that most were surprised it passed. Maybe Putin fixed the election to weaken Europe and Nato. :D


The MSM were selling "the Russians" all day long yesterday.

They are trying to cover up the fact that Hillary broke Federal law by using an insecure server to cover up her dodgy financials relating to the Clinton Foundation. :roll:

No one trusts the MSM anymore.

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Re: BREXIT

Postby Burgerman » 07 Jan 2017, 10:56

What the mainstream and governments don't get is that the internet is just that. Its a free-for-all system allowing computers to connect. Invented by tech guys and enthusiasts for for their own use.

Along comes the dumb masses and governments that thinks its a huge telephone/shop invented for them and that 'someone' should control it, dumb it down, make it 'safe' for retards, or censored for children to use, and that if someone hacks you that its THEIR fault. If your machines are not secure, tough shit. If you don't want to get ripped off, or your kids seeing porn, learn how it works or get off the web. If you are not capable, its not for you.

If you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

My ISP on government orders blocks hundreds of sites. Music, film etc are useful to me. So it took me all of about 10 secs to circumvent all of that. I use the dark web, add blockers, and VPNs, and all those terrible things that scares them and makes me anonymous and untraceable... We all should. Its non of anyone's damned business what I watch or listen to, or buy, or whatever. Right now, I am posting this from 200 miles from my house. On a IP address thats not mine. With a VPN that doesn't keep logs. Using the onion... Ad free.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby Sully » 07 Jan 2017, 15:40

OK "If" the Govt. just puts this all off until they think everyone has forgotten or y'all have been brainwashed to forget the vote results. What will y'all do about it? Go out into the streets and protest? Will that end in personal violence or property damage? It's all a vicious game! The average person is the always loser! The pawns of the game!
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Re: BREXIT

Postby Burgerman » 07 Jan 2017, 17:12

If they dont get on with it, at the next election they will be out. The party that says it will get on with it, will be in.

Likewise across the EU, all about to happen...
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Re: BREXIT

Postby Burgerman » 08 Jan 2017, 10:32

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjAse3ILJyg

This guy understands why people don't want Muslims. He will win the vote in the elections this year. He is massively popular. He will get many more votes than all the other parties. He is speaking to his own parliament in dutch here to the leftist/liberal mainstream idiots who hate him. You must read the sub titles. But its worth it. He has just been prosecuted for telling the truth in court for hate speech... And he proved in court that it was all true. Regardless he was prosecuted for telling the truth!

Coming to an election on your TV soon... But the other parties are ganging up and wont work with him. So he will not be able to govern regardless of vote. Thats going to be very unpopular in the Netherlands!!! The PEOPLE will win in the end. They will not allow these Muslims to trash their country, and any political party that gets into power knows this after the vote. And will have to do something about it as its the will of the people or be thrown out.

Its worth the watch/read.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjAse3ILJyg
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Re: BREXIT

Postby sacharlie » 08 Jan 2017, 18:46

Holland's version of Donald Trump.
Interesting guy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geert_Wilders
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Postby Sully » 08 Jan 2017, 19:13

Quote BM; "If they dont get on with it, at the next election they will be out. The party that says it will get on with it, will be in.

Likewise across the EU, all about to happen..."


When it happens we will all believe it. Why waste energy on these anticipated results?

Quote; "But the other parties are ganging up and wont work with him."

Again anticipation, not factual. You may well be right, and in the future he may or may not gain allies. He does make some very good points.

We had an old gangster/murderer living for many years in California #1 on the FBI most wanted list. No one reported him. Why??? Because he kept to himself. lived quietly. Presumably some folks spoke to him. And, NO ONE suspected who he was !!! Most of us myself included do not see much of anything, right or left or even right in front of us, we just float about in our own little world. So the claim that everyone is colluding with these terrorists is flimsy at best. I do hate that there are such unsubstantiated stories floating about. If you know something put your name to it. If you repeat a story put your name and sources to it ! I will say this; If I learn a story has been disproved, and it is still repeated, then the person doing the repeating loses all credibility with me forever, as do their causes.

THE EU like GB has no 80/90% agreed upon and approved constitution. Under that kind of government which is being attempted, eventual collapse of all of its governmental institutions is all but guaranteed. I cannot blame the citizens of GB from voting "Brexit". This "Muslim" and uncontained immigrant problem only shows the holes in the European Union, and its presumptions.
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Postby Burgerman » 08 Jan 2017, 20:18

Quote BM; "If they don't get on with it, at the next election they will be out. The party that says it will get on with it, will be in.

Likewise across the EU, all about to happen..."


When it happens we will all believe it. Why waste energy on these anticipated results?

BM Quote; "But the other parties are ganging up and wont work with him."


Again anticipation, not factual. You may well be right, and in the future he may or may not gain allies. He does make some very good points.

Two big reasons.
He is so far ahead in the polls that its almost a forgone conclusion. And the other parties know this. He will get about double the votes of the next best party. But there's many small parties in Holland. No one party can get enough votes to govern, so they all share the result and form joint coalitions to have enough votes between them to win.
And the others wont work with him, because they have all stated that this is the case. His values go against the open door, every belief equal, bullshit that means they are overrun with Muslims. The establishment REFUSE to see the problem. So to keep a person that the liberal elite, the governing classes, the media, the lefties, all see as racist, Islamophobic, etc (even though he is dead right) out of power they will gang up to stop him. But the people wont like it... There will be a lot of calls for changes and new governments if they do not obey the voters wishes.

Its already happening here because of the delay in leaving the EU. ThEn we get the french Le Pen right wing, the German elections and merkel isn't popular to put it mildly, the five star party in italy, and a bunch of other stuff. All happening soon in the EU!
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Re: BREXIT

Postby F3Head » 08 Jan 2017, 22:07

So..since this is related, how do you expect the UK Supreme Court
to vote in regards to forcing the brexit vote? Will they force this issue into the hands
of the British Parliament and the MPs? If so, how do you expect the vote to turn out?
Do you think they will uphold the will of the majority of voters who voted for brexit?

I'm sure MPs are hoping not to have to take that vote one way or the other!
Nothing like holding people accountable? If I have my facts wrong…
Please don't hesitate to enlighten me.

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Re: BREXIT

Postby Burgerman » 08 Jan 2017, 23:18

Seems to me that its pretty clear. The government used our money to send out remain propaganda and it says in that leaflet that out means:
- out of the EU.
- out of the single market.

There's nothing to discuss. When I leave say a golf club, due to the fact that my family dont like the rules or the way itsd run, or the cost. I don't sit around for two years discussing how I leave. And trying to keep access to the bar, some holes... I go home. And never go back.

There's Hard Brexit. Which means out, completely. That one should really be called Brexit. Thats what we voted for
And then theres the re-moaners (the government, most of the MPs,with their leftist liberal bull) who have invented 'Soft Brexit' because they don't really want to leave the golf club but sort of have to. But keep access to the bar, the greens, the holes, the car park etc. And that wont work for me. Or most of those that want out.

So really we have Brexit. Go home shut door.
And we have partial Brexit...

And thats NOT what we voted for... And the idea that we have parliament discussing it is a waste of time. And frankly embarrassing. Most of those idiots couldn't run a business or do a good deal to save their lives. They need to get out ASAP. THEN talk to the various countries to arrange deals other than WTO ones if they wish. So they can continue to sell us their exports at low or zero tariffs and trust me, they will! Or they will suffer more than we do.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby Burgerman » 08 Jan 2017, 23:25

So..since this is related, how do you expect the UK Supreme Court
to vote in regards to forcing the brexit vote?


50/50...

Will they force this issue into the hands
of the British Parliament and the MPs? If so, how do you expect the vote to turn out?


To leave. I spoke to my Mem parliment a few days ago. She is a typical liberal/labour type, loves immigrants, pro EU, and wastes as much money on lost causes as possible. She hates Brexit. She told me that she was going to vote leave. Because this town are very 'leave' about 74%. She has been spoken to by rather a lot of people every day that have told her in no uncertain terms that she better do what the people of this town voted for... So I expect this will be country wide.


Do you think they will uphold the will of the majority of voters who voted for brexit?


They better or come next election they will be out on their ear. Every town like this one will replace their MP with a better one!
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Re: BREXIT

Postby Sully » 09 Jan 2017, 15:48

Didn't you learn anything about Polls from our (USA) elections? Polls are bullshit. The're fiction.

I agree that the European's are pissed off about the immigrants and especially the muslim's who carry their criminal philosophies with them. "I" get that! But do you really thing excluding them from your Nation, or any Nation, will solve the overall problem that exists. The problem will not evaporate into the atmosphere. Solve it!
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Re: BREXIT

Postby Burgerman » 09 Jan 2017, 16:07

No new ones, send the immigrants back where they came from and shut down mosques, and force the ones here to be educated, speak english, mix, dress and behave in the same way the rest of us do. No special treatment, no worrying about upsetting them...

Thats the best we can do now. With that problem. But the whole political class, media, elites, are not in touch with the people. They don't want open borders, and their town looking like a 3rd world country. They dont want every country to be a grey mix of every culture and their own identity and differences lost. Or huge superstate of ever expanding Europe with a liberal and non elected government of dictators. We were told we do... But we don't! They are still trying to figure that out... The people have had enough. Those in charge haven't seen this yet!
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Re: BREXIT

Postby Sully » 09 Jan 2017, 16:49

Sure the old cultures of Europe are somewhat unique, and as such should be preservable. But when looking back those cultures were an amalgam of the combined cultures of previous immigrants. Do you want to wipe all this out as well?

Every migration since man has existed sought a better personal situation for the migrants. The bad features of these migrants, eventually sift out, and the mostly good survive. Too bad this is a very slow process.

I am guessing here; but "I" think most, if not all, of these people who have migrated would express their desire to happily return to their place of origin if the conditions they tried to escape were fixed. Just how many objectionable events attributed to these immigrants have "YOU" personally witnessed? How many of these events are fiction or are greatly exaggerated? We all too often hear about Police arrests, which if we could follow those events are dismissed from being prosecuted because they are truly non-events. With these non-events comes the anticipation of gloom and doom in our communities.

None of what I have spoken makes the front page or home page they are relegated to down below, This is NOT spectacular is mostly ignored, and it WILL NOT raise your blood pressure and get a raise out of you.
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Postby Burgerman » 09 Jan 2017, 17:02

I am guessing here; but "I" think most, if not all, of these people who have migrated would express their desire to happily return to their place of origin if the conditions they tried to escape were fixed.


Errr... Most of these 'refugees' are fighting age men. Theres almost no children, women, old or disabled. They come, and want to be given new houses, fancy clothes etc. Many are burning their houses or places they are given because they want somewhere fancy. And same with clothes etc. They come to take and get what they can, from a backward culture that doesn't 'fit' with western values. And yes I have seen it with my own eyes. The TV pounce on any children they can find to show that most of the refugees are not 20 something men... Its not refugees its an invasion that we are allowing, or asking to happen.

Think of this:

Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Christians = No Problem
Christians living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem

However:
Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
Muslims living with Christians = Problem
Muslims living with Jews = Problem
Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
Muslims living with Baha'is = Problem
Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM

Which leads to this:
They’re not happy in Gaza
They're not happy in Egypt
They're not happy in Libya
They're not happy in Morocco
They're not happy in Iran
They're not happy in Iraq
They're not happy in Yemen
They're not happy in Afghanistan
They're not happy in Pakistan
They're not happy in Syria
They're not happy in Lebanon
They're not happy in Nigeria
They're not happy in Kenya
They're not happy in Sudan
Or any place there is other Muslims that don’t accept death, or Koran's evil rules. Which is why they have been murdering each other for 14 centuries.

So, where are they happy?
They're happy in Australia
They're happy in England
They're happy in Belgium
They're happy in France
They're happy in Italy
They're happy in Germany
They're happy in Sweden
They're happy in the USA & Canada
They're happy in Norway & India
They're happy in every country that is not Islamic!

Who do they blame? Not Islam... Not their leadership... Not themselves...
THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!!
And then they want to change the countries they're happy in, to be like the countries they came from where they were unhappy. With the same structure rules and (sharia religious) laws.

Its a disease that spreads. That wants you dead.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby Burgerman » 09 Jan 2017, 19:35

Fortunately, there's hardly any where I live! Its all the others I feel sorry for.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby greybeard » 09 Jan 2017, 19:36

I guess it must be difficult for those geographically far removed from the Muslim invasion of Europe to grasp just how much it is disrupting life for the indigenous Europeans. Unsurprisingly, commentators from far away are dubious of such claims. They are, after all, hard to believe. What government would deliberately and systematically flood its own country with those from a culture half a dozen centuries behind that government's own state? Incredible, isn't it?

But that's precisely what has been happening, with no foreseeable end in sight, since that stupid German chancellor, supported by the EU commissars, told the entire population of the Middle East, Africa and huge swathes of Asia, that anyone who made it here could stay.

It is no surprise that we, the unrepresented and overlooked residents of Europe are pissed off. We've heard the endless spurious politically correct outpourings from our politicians and state broadcasters; the apologists for the fake "refugees" and the "child migrants" that turn out to be in their twenties, and wonder why no-one ever asked us whether we wanted this to happen.

We wonder why these young, fighting aged, migrants abandoned their women and children in their strife torn countries and turned up on our shores wearing good quality modern clothing, expensive trainers. And iPhones (naturally).

We wonder why they didn't stay and fight to free their own countries from the oppression that they claimed has made them seek new lives thousands of miles from home.

We see the outcome of their invasion of Sweden that now has the highest rape figures on the planet and riots and cars burned out most nights. We wonder if the ones that make it to our shores will be better behaved.

We wonder why our governments do not take more action to preserve the cultures that we have developed over centuries and which these new arrivals show they are determined to change into something like their own home countries, ruled over by Koran spouting imams.

We see the violence and murder that seems to accompany groups of these young male migrants wherever they go.

Experience has shown us that we are right to be fearful based on what we see reported by main stream and social media.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby F3Head » 09 Jan 2017, 21:02

Were only in January 2017, but I suspect the EU will have you vote again on this topic once again. It's happened before to Ireland who rejected the Maastricht Treaty ( so many treaties and do overs its hard to keep up with) once before and had to vote again until they got it right. Unfortunately for citizens who voted to leave the EU, they are sadly considered to be "legacy" citizens. In time this opposition will fail by the for wayside. After all, it was a reasonably close vote to begin with. I believe the meeting of the minds will be meeting in Davo's shortly to determine your fate. That is if Germany can be convinced to pay for the whole thing. The best case scenario I for see for the UK will be some sort of middle ground. That way you can suffer with your decision and be made an example for the rest of the EU. The good news is Barack Obama will be available shortly to help you with your decisions. He and the recently reenergized Tony Blair are just waiting in the wings…

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