The best case scenario I for see for the UK will be some sort of middle ground. That way you can suffer with your decision and be made an example for the rest of the EU.
F3Head wrote:Were only in January 2017, but I suspect the EU will have you vote again on this topic once again. It's happened before to Ireland who rejected the Maastricht Treaty ( so many treaties and do overs its hard to keep up with) once before and had to vote again until they got it right. Unfortunately for citizens who voted to leave the EU, they are sadly considered to be "legacy" citizens. In time this opposition will fail by the for wayside. After all, it was a reasonably close vote to begin with. I believe the meeting of the minds will be meeting in Davo's shortly to determine your fate. That is if Germany can be convinced to pay for the whole thing. The best case scenario I for see for the UK will be some sort of middle ground. That way you can suffer with your decision and be made an example for the rest of the EU. The good news is Barack Obama will be available shortly to help you with your decisions. He and the recently reenergized Tony Blair are just waiting in the wings…
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Sully wrote:YES I figured in this comment; Amending the Constitution, if you follow the blue print (The Constitution) the path is time consuming. fraught with pit falls. a 2/3 vote of all Congress both Senators and Representatives, then a vote of all 50 states and 3/4 of those individual states must approve the Constitutional Amendment one step must follow the other. Necessarily complicated and time consuming !
Do you think that one man like a Donald Trumplethinskin can circumvent and convince a Nation whose population did not overwhelmingly vote to place this man in our top Administrative position to unilaterally delete our entire National Constitution ? Would that; or could that. start an armed revolt against a usurper? "I" was willing to subject myself many times by oath "to defend the Constitution, and when I resigned my legal positions, to my knowledge I was not relieved of that responsibility; ("to defend the Constitution and laws of the United States, of America"). "I" doubt "I" am alone !
It was this blueprint that placed Trumplethinskin in office, do you think he would discard it after this accomplishment? That alone would de-legitimize his Presidency.
Now let us say a bit of us "Johnny come latelies" American colonists The Constitution in effect in 1785.
When voting rights for "most British Home Owners" did not appear in Britain until 1884 almost 100 years after the US --oops ! And that was due to British citizen revolts. Let's look a tad further African British Citizens and Indian British subjects did not have the vote until 1985 yes, after another 100 years.
You still have "a" House of Lords which seems to have the power to change a House of Commons majority vote from yea to nay, and nay to yea. There is NO blueprint for the structure of your government, However, it appears the rest of Europe has more to say about what occurs in British government than y'all do. "That is a problem"!!! "Correct me" if "I" am wrong!
Sully wrote:LC I think you are misguided. Libertarian Candidates have never gained a foot hold in the USA. You are also quite mistaken that the "Bill of Rights" of our Constitution has become obsolete. It is the guide used by many Nations and has world wide influence in formulating many Democracies.
Now it is true any of the written words can be ignored, by a Demagogue or belligerent want to be Dictator, but that would be at their risk, most Nations who have done this have failed and been replaced. Honesty and equality in government creates longevity of any government. However, often these traits are mocked, do work.
LC you use words like "interventionism" The common laws of Great Britain are far more interventionist than any such laws in the USA. So much so, that many Americans "think" we have gone too far with the give away, and perhaps we have. These are the very things you Brits are revolting against.
The opinion you cut and pasted, is also in my opinion misguided. Fascist like propaganda, full of twisted half truths.
Sully wrote:Since you have no idea of what a National Constitution is, it becomes a life long teaching chore to teach you. You will not be held for trial by state courts for speaking your mind. Bad language over the airways violates the licensing of the company using the public airways, employment by such companies comes with the contractual agreement that you will not violate the conditions of that license. So Constitutionally you can say what you want, but that speech may have civil or personal consequences.
Every right is contested every day somewhere in the US. Just as it is in your country. There are always those who stretch, twist, or do what ever they can do to get away with what ever nefarious deed the think will profit themselves. A constitution is like the lock on your door, it only keeps the honest people, honest. It interferes with the dishonest, but does not stop them. It takes the resolution of the majority of the Nation in question, to operate within its confines. Specifically the people in government from top to bottom.
Gnomatic; I agree with the premise that the EU is/was flawed from the beginning. There was a consensus the Europeans wanted some sort of strength of unity marriage of the individual Nation/States not only for trade basis but for each their individual security on a united joint military basis. And a universal monetary system. The problem was there was no consensus exactly how to accomplish all this to a mutual satisfaction of all the States.
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