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Re: Vladimir Putin

Postby Burgerman » 16 Oct 2016, 19:17

The Native Americans of the USA called it the great Spirit!. Today we know a bit more about the sciences. But with NO prompting from anyone those early peoples created a being in their minds that supersceded themselves. It is that primitive thinking that you nor "I" can totally defeat, that thinking will continuously reoccur without prompting in some insecure individuals. Then such like thinking individuals, will gather a circle of individuals together into groups, or tribes just as they do today and in all of human history. Humans are herd critters, there are always some who do not fit in that herd mold aethiests and agnostics.


In the UK there is no heard thing. Less than 4% regularly attend a church. Those are mostly coffin dodgers and immigrants. There are less and less every generation. I don't think I know ANY religous people at all, that are English and under 70. Its pretty much over here. The fact that we are not brainwashed when young, (as in the US), means we never really think that way. The adults don't let youngsters think about "great spirits" or other woo, and instead explain why that's a dead end. Theres no mystery to fill, the gaps are now tiny, and no brainwashing is done to us to fill it. School, physics, logic, etc means we wouldn't be able to think that way anyway. Because it contradicts the known, testable, logical reality. If it doesn't show up with the scientific method then its wrong.

They do that in the US, or in your paragraph above, in ignorance of how to think, to use logic. And because its "taught" by parents even if subconsciously. And its room to grow due to not under standing the real mechanism behind everything. Once that is known, it rules out magic. If that is taught from an early age it leaves no room for any woo woo or magical thinking. My world view is now this way because anything else simply isn't logical. And that isn't just a mildly convinced opinion, its been ruled out absolutely and completely 100% because my logic wont allow me to have a contradiction or un-testable belief in my head. The fact that I was brought up this way, and my parents were not religious, and didn't damage my brain makes it impossible to see spirits, gods, magic, or any kind of woo at all. Other than as craziness. The whole world could be this way too.
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Re: Vladimir Putin

Postby Burgerman » 17 Oct 2016, 11:26

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The Wests politically correct blindness summed up.
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Re: Vladimir Putin

Postby Vitolds » 18 Oct 2016, 01:32

I asked about Putin.
and you began to debate about a Muslims.
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Re: Vladimir Putin

Postby Burgerman » 18 Oct 2016, 01:51

Because right now that's what he is doing. On the news every day, bombing Muslims!
And our politically correct governments are trying to stop him... So that's why!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37683244

And then...

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest- ... orld-War-3
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk ... -war-crazy
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Re: Vladimir Putin

Postby Vitolds » 18 Oct 2016, 11:05

you believe this crap?
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Re: Vladimir Putin

Postby Vitolds » 18 Oct 2016, 11:20

you are scared Muslims.
it is not you afraid?
This truth you do not know?

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Re: Vladimir Putin

Postby Burgerman » 18 Oct 2016, 12:11

Don't understand?

We are not scared of them, we just don't want them here. And our stupid politicians are inviting them in by the millions.
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Re: Vladimir Putin

Postby Vitolds » 18 Oct 2016, 13:28

they are already next to you.
you do not know?
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Re: Vladimir Putin

Postby Burgerman » 18 Oct 2016, 16:59

There are approx 60 in my town of 80,000... So I would have a lot of trouble finding one.
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Re: Vladimir Putin

Postby Sully » 18 Oct 2016, 19:55

BM I believe Vitolds is speaking of the NAZI's Yes here again is a thought we imagined, was dad, but it rears that ugly head again. Take a long slow look, there is very littlr difference between these philosophies. just an authoritarian hierarchicarchy.

Why can't we just concentrate or ridding the earth of such actors and philosophies? I was of he belief that Alexander Putin was going to join in a joint action to that end. But he supported the existing Regime which all the other nations were in agreement they were trying to boot out. It's obvious there is no way to wipe the slate completely clean.

The arguement on Religions and the Muslim one in particular is as John suggesrs is the elephant in the room.

Last time the Nazi's were the point of focus, the USA DID assist the old USSR (Russia) to be rid of them. Now it "appears" that the same degree of cooperation cannot be achieved.

From at least one recorded, open mike, conversation from before the last pres. election that Pres. Obama was trying to make a personal plea for cooperation. It also appeared Putin turned him down flat without an attempt at any further conversation.

That is my opinion in as short a vesion as I can give this very complicated topic.
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Re: Vladimir Putin

Postby Burgerman » 18 Oct 2016, 20:04

I don't think it is complicated. Religion is almost all of the problem. Get rid of that, all of it, problem goes away.

Of course the nazis and every extreme right party are on the rise. Every one of the people can SEE the problem. The politically correct politicians don't see it. Or don't want to see it and keep on pushing open borders, socialist liberal ideals. Soon the rise of the right across the EU will fix that!
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Re: Vladimir Putin

Postby Sully » 18 Oct 2016, 20:05

Did the Bush and Republican Regime bring GB anything better? What we in the USA seem to focus on is Pres, Ronald Reagan and the strength of Maggie Thacher together focusing on the better stuff and not so much of the bad, Perhaps I made a bad comparison.
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Re: Vladimir Putin

Postby Burgerman » 18 Oct 2016, 20:06

No.
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Re: Vladimir Putin

Postby Sully » 18 Oct 2016, 20:19

My last post in this thread posted to the wrong subject. I never saw tthat happen before!
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Re: Vladimir Putin

Postby Lord Chatterley » 22 Oct 2016, 16:11

Vitolds wrote:What are you thoughts about President Putin?


I think he is a crook and an authoritarian and will cling to power as long as he can by any means possible. This is not necessarily a bad thing because Russia is still too backward and primitive to sustain the type of culture necessary to uphold the values and norms of a modern Western-style democracy.

As for his record in Chechnya and Syria - he is certainly better than anything the West has to offer.

It is not our fault the war started in Syria - that was caused by Bashir Assad's father- but it is our fault that we have enabled religious fanatics to gain ground in Syria and practically everywhere we have intervened. So, as far as Syria is concerned, cheers to Putin and shame on us.

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Re: Vladimir Putin

Postby Sully » 22 Oct 2016, 16:46

This pretty much says it I hope y'all can read it;
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Re: Vladimir Putin

Postby Burgerman » 22 Oct 2016, 17:27

I quite agree. However sane people are not voted for in the US so what now?
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Re: Vladimir Putin

Postby Vitolds » 22 Oct 2016, 19:26

I think he is a crook and an authoritarian and will cling to power as long as he can by any means possible

is no truth in these words.
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Re: Vladimir Putin

Postby Vitolds » 22 Oct 2016, 19:32

in Russia for free
- Education (school, college, higher education degree)
- Kindergarten
- HEALTH CARE (dentistry, prosthetics, wheelchairs, etc.)
This is an example.
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Re: Vladimir Putin

Postby Burgerman » 22 Oct 2016, 22:20

Its not though is it. Somebody pays. And its you!
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Re: Vladimir Putin

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Re: Vladimir Putin

Postby Lord Chatterley » 23 Oct 2016, 00:31

Wasn't Putin's first act, as president, a federal law guaranteeing immunity from corruption charges for the outgoing President and his relatives?

Not exactly a move to inspire confidence in the rule of law though perhaps a pragmatic alternative to chaos.

Nevertheless, Russia remains among the most unfree nations on Earth and I cannot see that changing much while he remains Prime Minister.

http://www.heritage.org/index/country/russia

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Re: Vladimir Putin

Postby Lord Chatterley » 23 Oct 2016, 00:39

Burgerman wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index


You've posted the wrong link - the IHDI is complete nonsense based on the idea that Pol Pot was a genius.

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Re: Vladimir Putin

Postby Vitolds » 23 Oct 2016, 02:24

30% of the truth
in Russia it is changing very quickly.
very strong support to private business (financially).
a big country, it is difficult to quickly restore everything.
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Re: Vladimir Putin

Postby Burgerman » 23 Oct 2016, 09:38

Not sure what you mean by restore. It was always a long way behind in a great many things. If you mean catch up then maybe in 20 or 30 years. Communism and socialism never works. It cost you a lot.
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Re: Vladimir Putin

Postby Sully » 23 Oct 2016, 15:26

Quotes; in Russia for free
- Education (school, college, higher education degree)
- Kindergarten
- HEALTH CARE (dentistry, prosthetics, wheelchairs, etc.)
This is an example
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Its not though is it. Somebody pays. And its you!

Unfortunately, too few people do not understand exactly what;”free” means. Free is not monetarily free, it is your personal freedom to pretty much do (not criminal) and think as you wish. Freedom to associate with whom you wish or not, it is likely that to you or me that may not mean much, but to many people who are successful or have the mentality or ability to be successful, governmental bureaucratic suppression, can destroy otherwise successful people. By creating a definition of criminal behaviour, that we feel is extreme.

But I do agree with John even the concept of free personal development or maintenance is financially paid for by “someone”. That someone is “YOU and “Me” Now in many cases I do not mind/care if “I” contribute with tax money for some of these things.

Whether or not we like this, we are all, a part of a bee hive or an ant-hill; everyone needs to contribute to the success of the general community (or ant-hill). The problem arises when we try to determine what we define as worthy of our support. Almost everyone has a different opinion of that definition.

The manipulation of how the populace thinks of this support, or freedom, is what Authoritarians and the Oligarchs do! No two of these people operate the exact same, yet their goals are pretty much the same. I believe Putin is both an Oligarch and an Authoritarian. I also believe that “The” Donald Trump if he gets the chance will try to be quite the same; he is of that same mould. It will be quite a test of the US Constitution if he wins the Presidency to keep his ambitions in check.

Beware of certain people who accuse other persons of false morals, failures, or actions, they are very likely trying to accomplish what they are accusing others of.

Operating a Nation is not similar to operating a business, which the C.O.O. has only his board of directors (a limited number of investors) to answer to. A National leader has his whole populace to be concerned about as well as his Nation’s standing and relation’s among the rest of the world’s Nations. We do know no one person can satisfy everyone all the time, it is a numbers game on how many that National leader can suit.

I do not believe Putin is on the good side of those numbers. While I do believe Vladimir Putin is a feel good leader for Russia, in the very long run; he will not be the best overall leader for his Nation. I see these similarities for Our MR. Trump as well.

I feel no ill will toward the Russian people. The American people have no physical or political designs on your Nation; we have enough problems of our own. I have read some Russian literature (not a lot) but what I did read was dark, with not a lot of hope or brightness even at the conclusion. Perhaps it was just the Author’s perspective. That makes me wonder about the Russian people’s dreams for their own future? Are they bright???? I did see a bright future between our Nations several years back, “The Space Station” for instance. Is that international relationship to be wrecked, because of one or two men’s personal ambition(s)? “I” hope not.
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Re: Vladimir Putin

Postby Lord Chatterley » 24 Oct 2016, 12:20

A Month in The Country by Turgenev is an absolute gem.

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Re: Vladimir Putin

Postby Lord Chatterley » 24 Oct 2016, 12:27

Trump is the only candidate who doesn't hate America - he wants to put America first, as he should.

Globalists hate him for that - the same way they hate Putin.

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Re: Vladimir Putin

Postby Lord Chatterley » 24 Oct 2016, 14:35

New video from Trump's campaign is spot on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKGjczYz1bg&feature=youtu.be

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Re: Vladimir Putin

Postby popschief » 24 Oct 2016, 15:27

Yes, spot on. What's not to like about his message?

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