SALE : PL8 V2 chargers, New-In-Box .

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SALE : PL8 V2 chargers, New-In-Box .

Postby shirley_hkg » 29 Oct 2023, 10:50


Up for sale is a lot of never used, New-In-Box, Revolectrix PowerLab 8 V2 chargers. I am lucky to come across this lot of 12 units (NIB), from a drone project that never realized.

Versatile PL8 is, so far, the mostly praised charger for wheelchair lithium conversion, till now , with its Charge Control System and graph feature on computer. It can charge any chemistry you name it , from Lithium-ion, LiFePO4, LTO, Lead Acid, NiMH … of any size from button cells to EV's pack. Most importantly, it charges them CORRECTLY.

With its carefully designed circuitry, PL8 is built to last. Dozen of them are used in my community for 8 years now, and NOT one failed.

Here is you golden opportunity to get hold of this renowned, mostly praised legendary charger in this forum.

Currency in HK dollar (HKD $1 = £0.104 / $0.1282 US)

Brand new PL8 @$2,000 (NIB)

I also have 3 lightly used units @$1,550

Clone FUIM3 usb link @$200

I ship worldwide and 10-days free shipping is included. All units are tested to ensure in prestige working condition. Guaranteed no DOA .
I accept Paypal. cheers
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Re: SALE : PL8 V2 chargers, New-In-Box .

Postby shirley_hkg » 29 Oct 2023, 11:01


I do have some extension boards I can throw in for free. Just add the charge of extra shipping weight.
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Re: SALE : PL8 V2 chargers, New-In-Box .

Postby Burgerman » 30 Oct 2023, 03:01

You do understand that you *cannot* test cell voltages unless you enable the 4 decimal place digits right? Because that is essential to read correct cell voltages as it DISABLES averaging the spread across cell voltages. I MENTIONED THIS MANY TIMES BUT YOU NEVER AKNOWLEDGE so far!
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Re: SALE : PL8 V2 chargers, New-In-Box .

Postby Burgerman » 30 Oct 2023, 03:19

I will have a NIB one...

Also software which includes fuim3 driver, and latest firmware built in + a bunch o unlocked presets to use as a starting point for all battery types and some registry unlock files for more advanced access is here:

http://www.wheelchairdriver.com/doomed/PL8.rar
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Re: SALE : PL8 V2 chargers, New-In-Box .

Postby martin007 » 30 Oct 2023, 21:28

shirley_hkg wrote:
Up for sale is a lot of never used, New-In-Box, Revolectrix PowerLab 8 V2 chargers. I am lucky to come across this lot of 12 units (NIB), from a drone project that never realized.

Versatile PL8 is, so far, the mostly praised charger for wheelchair lithium conversion, till now , with its Charge Control System and graph feature on computer. It can charge any chemistry you name it , from Lithium-ion, LiFePO4, LTO, Lead Acid, NiMH … of any size from button cells to EV's pack. Most importantly, it charges them CORRECTLY.

With its carefully designed circuitry, PL8 is built to last. Dozen of them are used in my community for 8 years now, and NOT one failed.

Here is you golden opportunity to get hold of this renowned, mostly praised legendary charger in this forum.

Currency in HK dollar (HKD $1 = £0.104 / $0.1282 US)

Brand new PL8 @$2,000 (NIB)

I also have 3 lightly used units @$1,550

Clone FUIM3 usb link @$200

I ship worldwide and 10-days free shipping is included. All units are tested to ensure in prestige working condition. Guaranteed no DOA .
I accept Paypal. cheers




Where do they sell such big lots?
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Re: SALE : PL8 V2 chargers, New-In-Box .

Postby Burgerman » 31 Oct 2023, 11:09

ShirleyHK please check PM! I want another.

I only have 4 :argument and backups matter!
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Re: SALE : PL8 V2 chargers, New-In-Box .

Postby shirley_hkg » 31 Oct 2023, 13:29


8 boards are available. Pick your take.
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Re: SALE : PL8 V2 chargers, New-In-Box .

Postby slomobile » 12 Nov 2023, 14:51

I want a full setup to charge 24v gel and 48v(22S) LTO in the US.
I'm not familiar with PL8 but given its popularity here, seems a safe bet, with Clone FUIM3 usb link.

How do we know which of the 8 extension boards to choose?

If I understand correctly the PL8 doesn't have AC input, so it also needs a ZXD2400 adjustable psu? Are there other choices to be made there?

Just to round out the shopping list also need a 22s LTO capable Roboteq to go with Lenny's new control system and the 22S LTO battery itself.

Chose LTO because of cold weather performance and cycle life.

Also need an Rnet seating module and 2 Rnet actuators to test actually replacing Permobil ICS on a Permobil chair. Yikes.
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Re: SALE : PL8 V2 chargers, New-In-Box .

Postby LROBBINS » 12 Nov 2023, 22:30

22S at 2.4V/cell = 52.8V - rather high! Thinking of your message about the Roboteq for sale, if it's a HDC2450 that also exceeds its maximum voltage. An HDC2460 should be able to handle 52.8V, but even then I might want more of a safety factor than that.
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Re: SALE : PL8 V2 chargers, New-In-Box .

Postby slomobile » 13 Nov 2023, 16:57

Thanks for checking.
My limited understanding of LTO is that its okay to charge to just 80% for rapid charge finish without loss of anything but capacity.
Intended to be the last batteries I ever buy for this chair, heard limiting to 80% extends cell lifetime. Rather than 80% I think I can arbitrarily choose a limit beneath the max voltage of the lowest rated component in the system.

It will have an onboard 12/48v bidirectional converter https://calex.com/chassis-mount-convert ... converter/ which I just now realized may eliminate the need for a ZXD2400. I could use a big 12v mechanics jump start box to supply up to 250A @ 13.8v to the low side of the Calex and get up to 58v out to the battery. Controlled via a 500k Baud CAN interface.

I want some good cell monitoring and something to control the Calex via CAN, so I don't have to closely monitor charging with my eyeballs. Plug into any 12v source at any time and trust the system to optimize the charging. Maybe the PL8 has a role there, maybe not. I'll certainly need to write some glue logic somewhere. The plan is very fluid.
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Re: SALE : PL8 V2 chargers, New-In-Box .

Postby LROBBINS » 13 Nov 2023, 18:17

I don't have any knowledge of LTO, but if it's like LiFePO4 the voltage is nearly constant for almost all states of charge. Yes, that is the way it is. Here's a discharge curve for LTO:
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Your charger also has to produce a voltage somewhat greater than the battery's voltage in order for current to flow (e.g. >2.6 V to charge nominal 2.4V cells). Pick the voltage you want your system to operate at and assemble a pack to so XS equals that voltage. But make sure the voltage when charging is well under the limit for your electronics.

How long do you want your batteries to last? Rachi's chair has 200 AHr LiFePO4 and needs charging at most once a week and even then it's used less than 50% of capacity. 4000 cycles (or probably more given the 50% DOD) is 76 years at her use rate.

Also, how fast do you want the chair to go? If max speed is 6 mph at 24 V, it will be 12 mph at 48V. Also, is the insulation etc. within the motors able to handle the voltage and heat?
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Re: SALE : PL8 V2 chargers, New-In-Box .

Postby Burgerman » 13 Nov 2023, 21:43

I looked at LTO cells and did some maths. They are far less energy dense than lifepo4 and so I discounted them.
And like lenny. I estimate that I will be dead long before any of my lithium packs lose enough capacity to matter as long as they are charged properly.

Look at it like this.
I am about to order 8x 230Ah cells. You get around 40Ah from a group24 lead battery before the chair stops. The rest of the capacity is unavalable to use at the rate we use the battery. And the voltage drop at peak loads make this even worse as the voltage and resistance both get worse as the pack is discharged beyond this 50% point. So call a set of group24 batteries 40Ah accessible capacity as this is about all you will ever get for our use case. Even this rapidly declines over a few months!

Thats 230Ah LiFePO4 div by that typical 40Ah from a set of lead bricks = some 5.75 times the usable range of lead. Or if you prefer the same as almost 6 sets of lead (12x MK Gels)...
Now even if you charge that LiFePO4 pack once a week, you will still have more range every day than you probably ever did on your longest trip ever with lead previously.
But you dont do marathon trips every day. So in reality you will get maybe 6000+ cycles at averagee 50% charge. Thats 6000 weeks charged weekly. Thats 115 years... :shock:

They definitely last longer than 25 years as I have a couple of headway packs that are 16 years old that still show practically full capacity!
Then consider this.
With 230Ah, even if you lost a massive FIFTY PERCENT of initial 230Ah capacity, it will still be 300% better than a set of brand new MK gels...

Charge them properly, never discharge them too deeply (with 230Ah you cannot actually do that realistically) and they will outlive any chair or chairs you buy many times over. And you will eventually swap them out, not because they are knackered, but because by then something even better may be available.

Now lithium ion cells as used in teslas, and laptops etc have much less cycle life. 200 to 800 depending on type. So to make thoose last an acceptable time in a tesla, only 80% of available real capacity is used. (+10 to +90% typically). That has a huge effect on service life on those types of cell. But that means that a pack needs to be around 20% oversized and full capacity is not used. LiFePO4 behaves the same but starts out with a 2000 to 3000 cycle life anyway.
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Re: SALE : PL8 V2 chargers, New-In-Box .

Postby c500user » 14 Nov 2023, 11:12

I ordered a PL8 from Shirley last week and it arrived in yesterday (Australia). I already have one, but thought a spare might be handy :-)
I have unpacked it and it looks to be brand new. I also ordered the USB converter and one of the parallel boards. No idea if I will ever use the latter, but it is nicely stored in my cupboard, together with the other parts for the PL8.
Thanks Shirley for the prompt service!
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Re: SALE : PL8 V2 chargers, New-In-Box .

Postby shirley_hkg » 12 Feb 2024, 08:46

I received several enquiries on the availability of JST balance leads. They are running out of stock.

I finally get someone to make a lot as small as 25.(too expensive to keep many stock.)

It is 1 metre long (20awg wires thickest it can get.) , with 0.5m㎡ silver coated audio grade telfon wires.
This gonna be the highest quality PL8 balance leads ever.

Price at @$40

Here they are :
the heavyweight PL8 balance leads.


PowerLab _8,

only 3 sets left.
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Re: SALE : PL8 V2 chargers, New-In-Box .

Postby martin007 » 12 Feb 2024, 21:00

shirley_hkg wrote:
I received several enquiries on the availability of JST balance leads. They are running out of stock.

I finally get someone to make a lot as small as 25.(too expensive to keep many stock.)

It is 1 metre long (20awg wires thickest it can get.) , with 0.5m㎡ silver coated audio grade telfon wires.
This gonna be the highest quality PL8 balance leads ever.

Price at @$40

Here they are :
the heavyweight PL8 balance leads.


PowerLab _8,

only 3 sets left.




Is that wiring that special?
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Re: SALE : PL8 V2 chargers, New-In-Box .

Postby Burgerman » 12 Feb 2024, 22:24

Yep!
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Re: SALE : PL8 V2 chargers, New-In-Box .

Postby martin007 » 12 Feb 2024, 22:53

Is it not possible to replicate them?
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Re: SALE : PL8 V2 chargers, New-In-Box .

Postby Burgerman » 12 Feb 2024, 23:54

Connectors hard to find. Crimping cables is very hard even if you can find them.
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Re: SALE : PL8 V2 chargers, New-In-Box .

Postby shirley_hkg » 13 Feb 2024, 03:22

It is 1 metre long (20awg wires thickest it can get.) , with 0.5m㎡ silver coated audio grade telfon wires.
This gonna be the highest quality PL8 balance leads ever.

Price at @$40 hkd
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Re: SALE : PL8 V2 chargers, New-In-Box .

Postby yeshelp » 15 Mar 2024, 00:33

hi shirley
i understand CAN dollar or US dollar. when i read the following quote, i feel confused by other currencies.
are you saying that one unit is 2000 usd dollar? if that is the case , it looks kind of expensive. what are their unique benefit you cannot find anywhere esle?
Are those benefit worth 2000 us dollar?( this is not a judgement on my part but a need for clarity)

And what does nib means?


Currency in HK dollar (HKD $1 = £0.104 / $0.1282 US)

Brand new PL8 @$2,000 (NIB)

I also have 3 lightly used units @$1,550

Clone FUIM3 usb link @$200


When you write FUIM# usb link , what is that used for? is it essential? is it a clone of the charger or an additionnal part?

thanks
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Re: SALE : PL8 V2 chargers, New-In-Box .

Postby shirley_hkg » 15 Mar 2024, 04:19

Hope this help. cheers


Currency in HK dollar
(HKD $1 = £0.104 / $0.1282 US / $0.173 CAD)

New-in-box PL8 @hkd $2,000 / $346 CAD


Clone FUIM3 usb link @hkd $200 / $34.6 CAD

I ship worldwide and 10-days free shipping is included. All units are tested to ensure in prestige working condition. Guaranteed no DOA .
I accept Paypal. cheers
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Re: SALE : PL8 V2 chargers, New-In-Box .

Postby shirley_hkg » 15 Mar 2024, 05:56

yeshelp wrote:hi shirley

When you write FUIM# usb link , what is that used for? is it essential? is it a clone of the charger or an additionnal part?

thanks

FUIM3 is an optic couple USB link to connect PL8 to a pc. Through the CCS, you will have full control of charger, and, last not least, monitor it by graph / log. (Diagnosis)
https://www.wheelchairdriver.com/board/ ... start=6720


I followed woodygb, who help us to make alternatives, while FUIM3 is discontinued.
https://www.wheelchairdriver.com/board/ ... start=1800

One could make their own.

Burgerman perfected it by incorporating a Bluetooth module in it.
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