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Re: PGDT interface update

Postby JenR » 18 Feb 2014, 21:13

I cracked the case open and the color scheme is correct. black = gnd, white = tx, red = rx
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Re: PGDT interface update

Postby woodygb » 18 Feb 2014, 21:34

JenR wrote:I guess the blue wire was your TX wire, you don't need it at all using this method?

Correct.
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Re: PGDT interface update

Postby woodygb » 18 Feb 2014, 21:44

This may or may not help ..but it's something that I do if I'm having problems with a driver / Com port .

http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/504/how- ... -services/
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Re: PGDT interface update

Postby JenR » 19 Feb 2014, 09:27

Tried that, but didn't help.

I googled on pilot+, and maybe I have a pilot (without +) controller?

This is the one I have:
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Does this make a difference?
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Re: PGDT interface update

Postby Burgerman » 19 Feb 2014, 09:49

That's pilot plus.

The problem you have is the one 90 percent of people have. Driver/port/usb/settings/boot and connection order.

For eg some mobile phone software interferes with the port/usb setup and will need to be uninstalled.
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Re: PGDT interface update

Postby JenR » 19 Feb 2014, 10:29

I found this picture in the other thread:

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I have ESP! Could this be the issue? Where do I find the ESP module on my c500?
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Re: PGDT interface update

Postby Burgerman » 19 Feb 2014, 10:41

I just told you by ESP. :)
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Re: PGDT interface update

Postby JenR » 19 Feb 2014, 10:43

Burgerman wrote:I just told you by ESP. :)


? what do you mean ?
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Re: PGDT interface update

Postby woodygb » 19 Feb 2014, 10:53

B.M. made a funny ..ESP ..Extra Sensory Perception
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Re: PGDT interface update

Postby woodygb » 19 Feb 2014, 10:56

I believe that ESP in this case is Enhanced Serial Protocol....and it applies to the 1314 CURTIS Software...not P&G
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Re: PGDT interface update

Postby JenR » 19 Feb 2014, 10:56

This image was in the same thread:

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Does this mean I wouldn't benefit from reprogramming the controller because the ESP is the guy in control?
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Re: PGDT interface update

Postby woodygb » 19 Feb 2014, 11:02

So many ESP's .... acronyms.
I'll dig into Permobil's site and see if I can find out anything more.
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Re: PGDT interface update

Postby JenR » 19 Feb 2014, 11:11

It means Enhanced steering Performance (http://www.permobil.com/en-GB/English/O ... onics/ESP/)
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Re: PGDT interface update

Postby woodygb » 19 Feb 2014, 11:18

Had a quick look thru the same pdf and it seems that you can program via the ESP within certain preset parameters... with the usual Warnings of Alterations by Expert Engineers only.

Never seen one or played with one ...no idea if changing the Pilot+ parameters would sod everything up ..but I doubt it as the ESP seems to just apply a percentage of the Pilot+'s setting.

Up to you to decide if you'd like to play with it ...taking notes of course as you change each parameter....and there is a reset to original facility .
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Re: PGDT interface update

Postby JenR » 19 Feb 2014, 11:32

Ok, I can't reach the esp on my own to press the "S" button. So I will have to ask someone to help me. I will create a backup of all settings.

I can now quite safely say, if you have ESP on your permobil wheelchair, it's not as simple as the guide here says :)

Will keep you updated if I have any news.
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Re: PGDT interface update

Postby Burgerman » 19 Feb 2014, 12:20

Cant you just unplug it and connect the pod to the controller as per usual? That ESP thing just interferes with stuff. Probably best without it. It will be to help those with bad hand movements or with alternative controls.
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Re: PGDT interface update

Postby ex-Gooserider » 22 Feb 2014, 11:41

Burgerman wrote:Cant you just unplug it and connect the pod to the controller as per usual? That ESP thing just interferes with stuff. Probably best without it. It will be to help those with bad hand movements or with alternative controls.


Not sure what model chair JenR has, but I have a vague recollection that the ESP module is used by Permobile on their FWD style chairs to keep them from ground looping and doing all the other FWD instability related stuff...

If she has an FWD chair then it might not be a great idea to remove it....

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Re: PGDT interface update

Postby rustyjames » 27 Feb 2014, 16:34

So, trying to construct a programming cable I cut thru one of the 3 wires while trying to strip the outer covering. Are there any tricks any of you all use?
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Re: PGDT interface update

Postby LROBBINS » 27 Feb 2014, 16:45

Use a bit of heat shrink to cover a simple soldered splice. I taken to using a fresh surgical scalpel when taking outer covering off a cable, but still have nicked a wire or two. Ciao, Lenny
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Re: PGDT interface update

Postby Burgerman » 27 Feb 2014, 16:49

I have a combination of tools.

Everything from side cutters, (2 sizes) sharp scalpel type knife (many), "proper" wire strippers (several, seldom used or found!), teeth, finger nails, etc. All depends on cables, wires application etc.

Basically practice. Experience, done it many times before. How you pass this on remains a problem.
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Re: PGDT interface update

Postby woodygb » 27 Feb 2014, 17:10

rustyjames wrote:So, trying to construct a programming cable I cut thru one of the 3 wires while trying to strip the outer covering. Are there any tricks any of you all use?


I usually mutter under my breath ... cut the lead off square ...and simply remove more of the outer covering .
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Re: PGDT interface update

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Re: PGDT interface update

Postby woodygb » 27 Feb 2014, 18:03

I use these for small gauge wire.

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Re: PGDT interface update

Postby rustyjames » 27 Feb 2014, 18:06

I used to have a set of those strippers but they seemed to have disappeared. I'll just have to go carefully to get the outer covering off, and then I can chew the insulation off the little wires :mrgreen:
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Re: PGDT interface update

Postby rustyjames » 27 Feb 2014, 18:09

Thanks Guy's, I appreciate the input.
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Re: PGDT interface update

Postby Burgerman » 27 Feb 2014, 19:42

I use these for small gauge wire.


For the real small stuff I generally nick it with a scalpel and use a finger nail. I have some tiny side-cutters too, but they are a bit overkill for stripping and occasionally do more damage than good.
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Re: PGDT interface update

Postby LROBBINS » 27 Feb 2014, 22:42

If I have a lot of small (28 ga) wires to strip, I have a soldering iron tip with a V-notched sheet metal blade, but I have only 1 iron so have to cool it off to change tips and it isn't worth the bother if I only have a few to do. In that case I just use diagonal cutters and care. If I could afford an infinite number of tools, I would get a standalone hot blade wire stripper - they do a great job on small wires and can't nick the copper.

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Re: PGDT interface update

Postby rustyjames » 27 Feb 2014, 22:50

I found my stripper like the Kline Burgerman posted above. I got the jacket stripped off and now have three wires without nicks :mrgreen: which is big for me at this point. Not easy when the fingers no worky :P
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Re: PGDT interface update

Postby ex-Gooserider » 01 Mar 2014, 11:03

Disambiguation question???

Are you trying to strip a WIRE - defined as a single conductor which may have a single strand, or multiple strands bundled together under one insulation jacket?

Or are you trying to strip the outer jacket off a CABLE - defined as multiple WIRES / conductors each with it's own insulation jacket, (and thus able to carry a different voltage / current / signal) that are bundled together and wrapped in an outer jacket?

For WIRES, most of the previous suggestions are appropriate, and will work w/ care practice, and sometimes the right size tool (matching the size wire gage)

For CABLES it can be a little trickier. For some types of cable you can get dedicatded strippers that are exactly sized to cut the outer jacket of that exact cable spec. Usually only worth it if you are doing a lot of a particular cable type.

Otherwise techniques vary and take practice.

What I have found to be pretty reliable is to use a sharp utility knife (scapels, exacto-knives, pocket-knives, etc all work fine as well) and flex the cable as much as practical at the point where I want to cut the jacket, then ROLL, (don't try to slice or cut) the blade around the jacket on the outside of the bend, using fairly light pressure. CABLEThe jacket will score and usually break on the score line - if it doesn't break on the first pass, repeat with SLIGHTLY more pressure until it does. It may only break right at the very outside of the bend, but try to get close to half the wire diameter at least scored. As soon as the jacket breaks, STOP! Flex the cable in the opposite direction and repeat the above steps at the same point on the opppsite side of the cable. Usually the two breaks will spontaneously join and allow you to pull off the cut section of jacket. If they don't flex the cable at right angles to the first two cuts and repeat...

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Re: PGDT interface update

Postby Williamclark77 » 01 Mar 2014, 16:38

For stripping most small wiring I don't even use a tool. Quad hands + anything requiring grip or squeezing is just an exercise in frustration. Light a candle. Hold the wire end right where you want it stripped over the flame for a few seconds. Quickly lay the wire down on a table. Press the heel of your hand down on the wire where you want it stripped. Pull the wire. If you do it correctly the wire will pull right out of the insulation cleanly without stretching or breaking any strands leaving an empty piece of insulation under your hand.

It takes practice. There's a fine line between heating the insulation just right to where it breaks loose and slips off vs underheating it to where it just stretches vs overheating it to where it sticks to your hand and causes you to use profane language. Probably not an OSHA approved method, but what is when you have to get creative to accomplish any task?
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