which chair is best or better.

[Burgerman]

It will be either:

PG Drives R-Net
Or
Dynamics DX2

Forward Acceleration
Reverse Deceleration
Turn Acceleration
Turn Deceleration
Forward Speed
Reverse Speed.
Turning Speed

Any dumb dealer level programmer can change those. But those will not make it steer or turn properly.

You need an OEM level programmer to change about 2x as many options as those shown, so it goes where you tell it, when you tell it only.

[carlo67]

I found out which one lol
I am getting the Dynamics DX2

can anybody tell me which OEM programmer for Dynamics DX2 ?

[Burgerman]

Thers only 1.

Comes from Dynamic.

[LROBBINS]

The most flexible Dynamic programming tools consist of:

a PC program called the Wizard (free download from Dynamic's web site, you may have to register as a designer, engineer, technician or some such in order to get it. Worth doing in any case because that lets you download all of the technical manuals as well and you will want them.)

a programming cable (that converts from USB to the serial protocol for programming the boxes)

a dongle that tells the computer what permission level you have (it's this that you want to be OEM level)

Dynamic itself, and especially Dynamic UK, is loath to sell to individuals and are likely to refer you to a manufacturer or dealer who may or may not be willing to supply what you need, and, of course, will charge a markup. Dynamic does not distribute in Europe other than via manufacturers.

There is a Dynamic distributor in the U.S., Rosstron Inc. http://www.rosstron.com/ is pretty cooperative about selling to individuals, at least if you sound like you know what you're doing (for example, specifying the exact name and part number of what you want). They don't directly do web sales, so you send them an e-mail asking for a quote for what you want. I live in Italy, but have still found Rosstron the most convenient and cheapest supplier, even for such minor things as Dynamic-specific connectors or a rubber joystick boot. (If you edit your profile to show where you live, someone might be able to give you more specific information for your location.)

Programming parameters for the DX2 are a bit different from the P&G products Burgerman is used to. My recollection, for example, is that there are not separate parameters for slow speed turn acceleration and deceleration. In any case, the DX System Manual has the full list of parameters. The explanations are sometimes clear as mud, but you really do need to make the effort to understand what the parameters do and how they might interact. Burgerman's guide to programming is right on the money as far as what you will want to try for, it's just the parameter set to get there that's a bit different.

Ciao,
Lenny

[carlo67]

hi
I have downloaded the Wizard Installer Latest ReleaseTooltip from http://www.dynamiccontrols.com/download ... -downloads

so I have to buy the hardware http://www.mobilityscooterpart.com/prod ... php?id=133 ?
I have a computer with widows 7
I am living in australia
can you tell me what I need please?

[falco peregrinus]

(If you edit your profile to show where you live, someone might be able to give you more specific information for your location.)

Lenny meant to go up to the light blue line near the top of the forum page and click on User Control Panel. Then click on the Profile tab, and enter your location in the Location field. Then whenever we want to give you location-specific advice, we only have to look at your last post to see where you live. It helps us give you better help.

Falco.

[LROBBINS]

Hi Carlo,

I know nothing about suppliers of Dynamic hardware in Australia, but perhaps someone else on the board who lives in Australia does. Falco, I know you're familiar with P&G, what about Dynamic?

The kit from that supplier in Taiwan is what you need ( DWD-OEM-U dongle + DWIZ-CABLE programming cable + DWIZ-ADAPT to adapt from HiRose connector used on DX to the connector used on DX2 + XLR plug, maybe not needed but they throw it in for free). If your computer doesn't have an RS232 (old-style serial) port, you will also need an RS232 to USB adapter or adapter cable. Given that it's always a struggle to find an adapter that reliably works, consider getting the one that this supplier makes up unless the price is outrageous. On the link you gave, prices aren't shown - just "EXW Taiwan Unit Price".

At least the dongle is now USB - my old one is still Centronics parallel, so I have kept an old laptop with both RS232 and LPT ports just for chair programmin, but its HDD is dying and it will have to be replaced soon, which means spending $$$ for a new dongle.

Ciao,
Lenny

[woodygb]

Price August last year.

[falco peregrinus]

Falco, I know you're familiar with P&G, what about Dynamic?

I think the controller on my old Quickie is a Dynamic, but I've never had an interest in reprogramming it, partly because I'm happy with the default programming, and partly because I want to replace that old chair with something more similar to (preferably the same as) my primary chair. About all I know about Dynamic is what I've picked up on the forum, really.

At least the dongle is now USB - my old one is still Centronics parallel, so I have kept an old laptop with both RS232 and LPT ports just for chair programmin, but its HDD is dying and it will have to be replaced soon, which means spending $$$ for a new dongle.

Not necessarily, Lennie. I have seen USB-CENTRONICS PARALLEL converters advertised, which interested me because I've built a couple of interface boards over the years based on the Centronics standard. Haven't used any of them for a few years now, so I've never needed to actually buy a USB-Centronics converter to find out if they have any problems or not. It might be a lot cheaper than a new dongle - though I must admit surprise at the low prices that Woody has just posted for one! I was expecting them to be a lot dearer than that!

Falco.

[LROBBINS]

I too thought those prices pretty reasonable. I really don't want to start experimenting with USB to Centronics conversion. Years ago, when laptops just began to have only USB ports, Dynamic tried to find one that worked, but were having trouble - most of those they'd tried were OK for bulk data transfers (such as to a printer) but not byte-by-byte two-way transfers. There may be suitable ones out there now, but even retired my time has value, at least to me.
Ciao,
Lenny

[carlo67]

hi woodygb
where I can order that ?
I have USB 2.0 and 3.0 on my computer

[woodygb]

You've previously re-posted the link.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3622&start=60#p51922

[carlo67]

so I need this?
Dynamic wizard pc programming DWD-OEM-U dongle
Dynamic wizard pc communication[DWIZ-CABLE]
Dynamic wizard pc programming[DWIZ-ADAPT]
XLR3 connector

is that all I needed?

[falco peregrinus]

I really don't want to start experimenting with USB to Centronics conversion. Years ago, when laptops just began to have only USB ports, Dynamic tried to find one that worked, but were having trouble - most of those they'd tried were OK for bulk data transfers (such as to a printer) but not byte-by-byte two-way transfers.

On second thoughts, yes, I agree with you. Back in the days of centronics printers, I can remember having no end of trouble with them as PCs got faster whilst I tried to continue using my old centronics printers. I put it down to the chips being used getting faster and faster - it seemed as though, although the PCs and the printers were all built to the same standard specification, the PCs were able to respond to the printer's ACK signal (Am I remembering correctly) before the printer was ready to accept new data, and the communications between the two were locking up, each waiting for the other. In the end I gave up and wrote the old printers off, even though I knew there was nothing wrong with them. (They worked fine on my older PCs.)

So yes, I concur. It would most likely be unsuccessful to try and use a Dynamics centronics dongle on a USB-Centronics converter, and indeed would quite possibly be unsuccessful on any recent vintage PC that had a centronics port.

Falco

[woodygb]

so I need this?
Dynamic wizard pc programming DWD-OEM-U dongle
Dynamic wizard pc communication[DWIZ-CABLE]
Dynamic wizard pc programming[DWIZ-ADAPT]
XLR3 connector

is that all I needed?

To the best of my knowledge ...( I only obtained a quote )......Yes.

[LROBBINS]

Carlo,

You will probably also need one of these:

If your computer doesn't have an RS232 (old-style serial) port, you will also need an RS232 to USB adapter or adapter cable. ... consider getting the one that this supplier makes up unless the price is outrageous.

Ciao,
Lenny

[carlo67]

I think I already got that. Thanks

[carlo67]

I received a quotefrom TAIWAN YO-LIN LTD.. It will be about $850

[carlo67]

hi
I have bad news i can't getting the Frontier V6 – Hybrid Electric Wheelchair because my area not good support. the supply is about 5 hours way
so I have start over again

this is my options
http://www.quantumrehab.com/powerbases/ ... 6-edge.asp
http://www.quickie-wheelchairs.com/prod ... 34799.html
http://countries.permobil.com/Permobil- ... 00-Corpus/

which one of these is better for speed performance

[carlo67]

I am wondering anyone can tell me what is different between the Quantum Q6 Edge and Quantum® 6000Z ? please

[Burgerman]

Edge better suited to skinny people, is 1.5 inches narrower, and has smaller batteries, slightly less range, generally slower.

One is a compact the other is a full sized car...

The q6000 is available with 8mph motors and less torque, ok if you are skinny.

The Edge is newer. Both use controls that you cannot get an OEM programmer no matter what, so I wouldn't want either of them as you will never make them steer properly.

Both are better indoors than out. Casters too small etc. No suspension on the main drive wheels.

Get the V6 instead of any of those even if its further away...

[falco peregrinus]

The Permobil C300 Corpus is the only one of the three that is NOT 6-wheels-on-the-ground, which means that the Permobil has the potential of being a lot less prone to hanging up on pram ramps and gutters than the other two.
Optional on the Permobil is the R-Net controller, for which there are no shortcuts or cost-cutting routes to getting OEM programming capability for it - you just have to spend whatever money they are asking for what you need. (If they will sell you one!)
The alternative choice for controller on the Permobil is the PGDT VR-2, which is easier to get OEM programming requisites for. Of the two, I'd choose the VR-2 if I was getting a new chair, simply because of relative ease of access to programming tools and plentiful availability of expertise in it on this forum.
If you went for the Pride Q6 Edge, make sure that they slacken off the tension on the rear castor suspension, so that it becomes less prone to getting hung up. A little bit of rock is definitely preferable to getting hung up every time you cross a gutter, or drop into a small hole on the football field. Personally I don't like the Q6 Edge, but only because it's 6-wheels-on-the-ground and keeps getting hung up easily. It's got a Curtis (badged as Q-Logic) controller, and apparently at least some of the Pride Curtis controllers have been customised by Pride to not work with the tools we are familiar with on this forum for programming them, which puts the Q6 edge into the same pigeon-hole as a Permobil with R-Net. Optional on the Q6 edge apparently is the NE or NE+ controller, which is another Quantum product, so is likely to be non-standard and programmable only by Pride. With these as the only two choices of controller for the Q6 Edge, I wouldn't recommend it. To my mind, the ability to easily obtain and use OEM programming tools on one's wheelchair is mandatory, and is apparently very difficult if not impossible on the current models of Q6 Edge.
The Quickie is 6-wheels-on-the-ground with choice of VR2 or R-Net. As I said earlier, of the two, I would choose VR2 myself, for ease of programming and ready availability of OEM programmers, but I don't like 6-wheels-on-the-ground.
Hope this helped a little.
Falco.

[carlo67]

hi again
I have good news
I will be getting the v6 HYBRID in few months lol because other chairs got small batteries. I need bigger batteries and programmer.
and I got more good news, I can keep my old char so I got backup chair.

[LROBBINS]

Glad to hear the good news!
Ciao,
Lenny

[falco peregrinus]

Great!

Falco

[Burgerman]

Hybrid?

[carlo67]

yes the v6 HYBRID http://www.magicmobility.com.au/wheelch ... v6-hybrid/

[carlo67]

hi
is this correct products ?


I would like to order it

[woodygb]

Not entirely sure as the DWIZ-KIT shown on Dynamic... http://www.dynamiccontrols.com/en/deale ... rogramming ... does not show the OEM Dongle.
•DWD-OEM-U OEM

Ask them to list exactly what the DWIZ-KIT contains.

[LROBBINS]

Yes, you will find any dongle less than OEM level to be a total frustration - make sure you have it in writing that this is what they will send before sending your money. I suggest writing to Rosstron and asking them for a quote too - shipping from the U.S. can be expensive, but you might be surprised by the reasonableness of their offer. Ciao, Lenny