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Re: New Q700R chair from a Wheelchair Budget - with 1k chang

Postby Burgerman » 04 Nov 2020, 19:32

You can. They are chinesium and hard to find. But not needed. If a caster wheel goes flat, and the seat is far enough back there isnt much weight over the caster wheel. Thats why it steers better. It also means flat tyre will not stop you going to the pub!

I didnt bother changing this one (that I wore down until the tube protruded and popped) for days. I used the chair regardless till new tyres arrived in the post.
Very old vid. http://www.wheelchairdriver.com/gopro/puncture.mp4 -- Download it first, before trying to play it or it wont work probably...

So its not going to stop you getting home. As long as CG is a little rearward. Hence centre footplate and careful setup. Drives weird, not ideal, but it still works...
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Re: New Q700R chair from a Wheelchair Budget - with 1k chang

Postby Burgerman » 09 Nov 2020, 16:52

So, footrest now fitted, and delivery was arranged for friday 13th.
I rearranged for wed 18th. 12pm.

Also aranged for a set of extra INNER wheel rims. Why? Because if you grind off the "rim lip" and drill through the M8 threaded parts, it allows you to make a wheel that is wider. So that a 120/70 - 8 tyre can be fitted. Albeit not tubeless. Also 3x 25mm long wheel spacers needed eah rim. And 25mm longer bolts.
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Re: New Q700R chair from a Wheelchair Budget - with 1k chang

Postby Burgerman » 11 Nov 2020, 00:49

Going to get some of those knee or thigh pad thingies. On this Sedeo pro seating brochure. I usually have a "bumb bag" velcro strap etc around my knees to stop my legs splaying. (centre footrest causes that). But it leaves a mark around my legs...

Page 10. Keep trying to get a price but sunrise seem to go home at night!
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Re: New Q700R chair from a Wheelchair Budget - with 1k chang

Postby Burgerman » 11 Nov 2020, 12:27

No I am not. Not at 500+ a set approx! :argument banghead
I will make better ones for around 20.
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Re: New Q700R chair from a Wheelchair Budget - with 1k chang

Postby hank » 11 Nov 2020, 13:11

knee guards carbon fibre ideas
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Re: New Q700R chair from a Wheelchair Budget - with 1k chang

Postby Burgerman » 11 Nov 2020, 13:45

I need them to flip up and down and be padded. But I will be doing something similar! I could actually do with in on all my chairs.
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Re: New Q700R chair from a Wheelchair Budget - with 1k chang

Postby hank » 11 Nov 2020, 14:56

Those do the black plastic front lugs are slotted for each wing to locate
Just ideas for you Lightweight models :thumbup:
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Re: New Q700R chair from a Wheelchair Budget - with 1k chang

Postby Frank » 11 Nov 2020, 20:31

While examining the Q 700 ordering form one can either check QSE030034 C-Me Function, Enabled (7) or QSE030035 C-Me Function, Disabled (8). What does this mean? Thank you.
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Re: New Q700R chair from a Wheelchair Budget - with 1k chang

Postby Burgerman » 11 Nov 2020, 20:35

Post the full prescription form?

Never mind.

C-Me® enables you to elevate up to 12" while traveling up to 3 mph (weight limitations may apply). You can lift or descend at the touch of a button with no need to stop while transitioning.


I do wish they would stop with all the stupid marketing names and just say what things actually are.

Personally I wouldt bother. It feels like you are going to die sooner at great expense. And 3mph is mind numbing. Driving around on our uneven footpaths and pavements while elevated like a bar stool is NOT safe no matter what they say. I manage to tip them up regularly without the higher up barstool effect! Your mileage may vary! Might work safely inside a shopping centre. Again your streets may be a lot better than the ones I frequent. So its up to you.

Its pretty much irrelivant anyway. Its just programming. I think. You can change it (disable it) later if you wish so no reason not to have it if free...
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Re: New Q700R chair from a Wheelchair Budget - with 1k chang

Postby Burgerman » 11 Nov 2020, 20:46

Can you post that form?
I dont see that option on the sunrise med form?
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Re: New Q700R chair from a Wheelchair Budget - with 1k chang

Postby rover220 » 11 Nov 2020, 20:56

It's an American thing I think. They dropped the CMe name in the UK as pride got upset over it being too similar to I level.
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Re: New Q700R chair from a Wheelchair Budget - with 1k chang

Postby Burgerman » 11 Nov 2020, 21:05

But frank is in EU malta. Maybe he is filling the wrong form.

Heres the EU/UK one.
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Re: New Q700R chair from a Wheelchair Budget - with 1k chang

Postby Frank » 11 Nov 2020, 22:14

I am looking at the order form page 4 of the Q700 with Sedeo ERGO found on the Sunrise Medical UK website.
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Re: New Q700R chair from a Wheelchair Budget - with 1k chang

Postby Burgerman » 11 Nov 2020, 22:18

Ah. Theres 3 types of seating.

Cheap. Sedeo Lite.
Medium. Sedeo Pro, and all most people ever want.
Expensive, Sedeo Ergo. £££$$$ all complex programming and many possibilities like auto timed pressure relief settings etc.
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Re: New Q700R chair from a Wheelchair Budget - with 1k chang

Postby Frank » 11 Nov 2020, 22:50

What I don't like in the Sedeo Pro is that it has a 150 degrees recline only. I wised it was a bit more.
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Re: New Q700R chair from a Wheelchair Budget - with 1k chang

Postby Burgerman » 11 Nov 2020, 23:13

It has 2 options. If you look at the parts list on Sedeo seating. So would likely be a B4M option if not on the form.

SEP030087 Backrest, Powered Recline, 90° - 150° With 100 mm Mechanical Anti-Shear

Oh I see what you mean. Well the other chair/ergo is a lot more £££

You realise that with a little INITIAL seat dump, say 6 degrees, that you will have 84 to 156 degrees?
And that if you add say 25 degrees tilt, your seat back will be horizontal, 181 degrees?

Unless my maths is wrong!
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Re: New Q700R chair from a Wheelchair Budget - with 1k chang

Postby Frank » 12 Nov 2020, 05:42

The chair with Ergo seat has
QSE030047 Backrest, Powered Recline, 90° - 175° With 180 mm Mechanical Anti-Shear.
It can recline more than the Pro seat.
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Re: New Q700R chair from a Wheelchair Budget - with 1k chang

Postby Burgerman » 12 Nov 2020, 06:09

I know. Thats why its more expensive. Well thats one reason. Its also got more compex programmable seating electronix etc.
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Re: New Q700R chair from a Wheelchair Budget - with 1k chang

Postby Burgerman » 16 Nov 2020, 20:29

Delvered 1pm tomorow.
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Re: New Q700R chair from a Wheelchair Budget - with 1k chang

Postby Frank » 17 Nov 2020, 08:29

We look forward to seeing your modifications and a review of the chair.
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Re: New Q700R chair from a Wheelchair Budget - with 1k chang

Postby Burgerman » 17 Nov 2020, 13:07

I can do that now! Its basically exacty the same as the salsa.

So its a little nose heavy, even after moving the seat back, as you cant go as far back as the salsa because of the narrow front arms.
Its top heavy, because of 70kg is seating options and the fact that it forces the seating to be 1 inch higher than any seating without lift. So a heavy and top heavy chair. All those power options have downsides. And it will drive the same as any 120A Rnet once programmed so it steers.

It will have widened rear wheels. By a very simple and novel method so I can fit my usual 110 or 120 low profile rear tyres. And will have smaller 8 inch diameter casters with fat tyres to allow greater footplate clearance.

And will be lithium eventually maybe 200Ah. So will the salsa. So they will be pretty much the same.
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Re: New Q700R chair from a Wheelchair Budget - with 1k chang

Postby hank » 17 Nov 2020, 13:18

Nice
Will keep you busy for a bit John.
You must have enough to use one for every day of week now then :) :thumbup:
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Re: New Q700R chair from a Wheelchair Budget - with 1k chang

Postby Burgerman » 17 Nov 2020, 15:37

For those that worry about tubes. The 8 inch caster tyres are available as semi solid.

a Carlisle Reliance 8x3.00-4 here:
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Re: New Q700R chair from a Wheelchair Budget - with 1k chang

Postby hank » 17 Nov 2020, 16:56

What price are them tyres ea John ;)
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Re: New Q700R chair from a Wheelchair Budget - with 1k chang

Postby Burgerman » 17 Nov 2020, 18:16

Solid ones are similar price.

I ordered 4 (2 sets) from a dodgy site - coming from china. £34 inc delivery. Cheap, and carlisle branded. But slow... 20 days so far. Thats £8.50 each for a good brand with high load index..

And ordered a single pair that are a different brand (maxxis) from an overpriced place here:

Thanks for shopping at Mower Magic Ltd
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Re: New Q700R chair from a Wheelchair Budget - with 1k chang

Postby Burgerman » 17 Nov 2020, 18:22

I intend using these https://www.wandamotor.fi/tire-11080-p- ... ge-nosto-1

On the rear. When I add the spacer section to the Q700R wheels, they end up 3 inches wide. According to my calcs. These tyres are perfect on 3 inch rims and look great. They are 110m wide low profile. but were designed for "narrower" rims than most tyres this size. They stay wide and flat surface so should wear well. And not sink easily.
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Re: New Q700R chair from a Wheelchair Budget - with 1k chang

Postby hank » 17 Nov 2020, 19:46

Cheers for that.
Them rear tyres are very similar to the Duro Tyre 110/80-80 but at £57 each
i would try those.
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Re: New Q700R chair from a Wheelchair Budget - with 1k chang

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Re: New Q700R chair from a Wheelchair Budget - with 1k chang

Postby Burgerman » 17 Nov 2020, 22:32

Cheers for that.
Them rear tyres are very similar to the Duro Tyre 110/80-80 but at £57 each
i would try those.


Yes other than the duro one is more pointed, and needs a 3.5 inch rim. These were developed for the honda monkey bike. Especially for their 2.5 and 2.75 rims. They "open out" more than the duro 110/80-8 tyre on the same 3 inch rim, so are more flat and better suited to our use. But I may still use the duro ones. As I have them. Depends how they look on the 3.0 rims I am creating. I hate pinched look tyres!

Expressos link is to a 3.50 tyre. Its as sall as it is wide. Its 3.5 wide so narrower, and its also the tallest diameter of the 3 sizes. Its a 15 inch diameter. It ideally needs a 2.5 to 2.75 rim.
The 100/80 tyres is smaller diameter at around 14.6 inches. But 4 inchs wide. So looks a fair bit fatter.
The 120/70 tyres are smaller again at 14.3 inches, but much lower profile as used on my salsa, and they need 3.5 inch to 4 inch rims. So close to stock diameter, but 5 inches wide.
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Re: New Q700R chair from a Wheelchair Budget - with 1k chang

Postby expresso » 17 Nov 2020, 22:37

dont forget to take alot of pictures of how you do it - - the rims etc, size bolts needed
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