New Bounder 300M 21st Century Scientific

[fishinjunky]

I just received my new bounder 300M with the offroad package and linx electronics they also gave my the linx access key for programing any advice as far as maintenance goes in the future anything to keep an eye on?
I really like this chair

[expresso]

Nice - you know they have a cover for that linx JS - its a box goes over it so you have a square black box like the other ones

you can lean your wrist on it and hold the JS - if it works for you - i was worried when i got mines - then turns out i love it - useful for me

keep the chains very clean - adjustments are needed for a while when new - depends how hard you ride it - etc, just check them each time you get home before using it again -

and clean the chains - i do after each ride - it helps alot -

[Burgerman]

Theres also a fix for the programming dongle that gives you OEM access instead of dealer should you want that. So that you can configure its turn acceleration and decelerations higher to improve steering etc.

[fishinjunky]

Awsome thanks It looks like they improved the design to protect the chain better and are using different chains and sprockets to make them quieter and not need adjusted as much. You can barely hear them or see the chains on mine.Thanks for the advice I'll check the tension and clean them regularly either way. Whats the best way to clean the chains?

Fortunately with the linx access key and the computer program I'm able to adjust all the parameters. That's why I went with Linx electronics instead of R-bet. And the Linx access key was only 200$. The DME let me keep the Linx access key because my ATP didn't know how to use it but I did so they're basically considering me a technician so they could let me have it. Crazy how they are about programing.

[expresso]

thats great - you got lucky with both chains and Key to program

they use a chain guard now - i wonder what difference they made to the chain itself -

i use these two items - one to clean - one to lube it after - spray on let it sit - use a wire brush - move the chair - do it again till its all done

then spray the lube - and done - i do it with a blanket painters kind on the floor and some other things to soak up the grease that falls

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[Burgerman]

Fortunately with the linx access key and the computer program I'm able to adjust all the parameters. That's why I went with Linx electronics instead of R-bet. And the Linx access key was only 200$. The DME let me keep the Linx access key because my ATP didn't know how to use it but I did so they're basically considering me a technician so they could let me have it. Crazy how they are about programing.

Incorrect. I think. Unless you can adjust things like motor load compensay=tion mOhms. And I think thats unlikely. Since they will tell you its all automatic (its not) etc.
Technically the dongle you have is DEALER level only I think. Since there are no OEM level tools available to the public or even dealers so far.

With R-Net we have ways here to obtain OEM level access. Thats the reason we prefer it.

There was a guy on here that decoded how the dealer level dongle on your LiNX system works, and re-wrote the software so that now even on your LiNX system true OEM level, and even further options are now possible.

Show me a screenshot of your motor compensation settings? If you can, then I will eat my hat! (wont be the first time!)

So if not, and you want true OEM access to all the possible options inc things like turn acceleleration scalers, and motor load compensation and a lot more then you would need to email him and send him some $$$ for the privelidge.

because my ATP didn't know how to use

Whats an ATP??

Anything to do with wheelchair selection, medical "professionals" etc cannot access OEM from LiNX only Original Equipment Manufacturers. So only the likes of Sunrise or Bounder can use it. Or obtain it. Under threat of castration or worse if it is mentioned or released to public...

[fishinjunky]

Thanks that will help alot. I'm not sure what they did to improve the chain itself but I would also like to know as I heard it from a third party not 21st Century Scientific. How are the motors and actuators in yours lasting. How long have you had your Bounder?

[expresso]

Thanks that will help alot. I'm not sure what they did to improve the chain itself but I would also like to know as I heard it from a third party not 21st Century Scientific. How are the motors and actuators in yours lasting. How long have you had your Bounder?

so far they are lasting for me - its goin on 3 years now - but i dont use the chair much at all in the winter - none of my chairs - i stay home - dont like the cold etc,

once summer comes - i am out daily as much as i can - and usually ride long trips - so it gets a work out for sure - for a good 3 to 4 months

being that i use two chairs for outdoor use - i can give one a break every now and then -

[expresso]

also - i have seen an snapshot of the settings it came with on a Rnet 300M - and they do have it adjusted better - full speed on the turning etc, as we would like it to be -

they come better in the settings dept then other brands of chairs - i wont be surprised if yours with the linx is set up better than most stock chairs would be - only way you can really know is get access to the settings and check

[fishinjunky]

Yea your correct it is dealer level. I can adjust turn acceleration deceleration and turn speed. But not motor load. And they set limit on how low the deceleration will go. But your right I have a dealers key linx also makes a manufacturers key but no chance of me getting that. I probably should have checked here about R-net first because I know alot of people like R-net but I'm still happy with it. At least now the next person that reads this will know better.

a ATP is a adaptive technology specialist or practitioner

[expresso]

this is what they did if you wanted - for the linx - comes in handy for me at least

[fishinjunky]

Fortunately with the linx access key and the computer program I'm able to adjust all the parameters. That's why I went with Linx electronics instead of R-bet. And the Linx access key was only 200$. The DME let me keep the Linx access key because my ATP didn't know how to use it but I did so they're basically considering me a technician so they could let me have it. Crazy how they are about programing.

Incorrect. I think. Unless you can adjust things like motor load compensay=tion mOhms. And I think thats unlikely. Since they will tell you its all automatic (its not) etc.
Technically the dongle you have is DEALER level only I think. Since there are no OEM level tools available to the public or even dealers so far.

With R-Net we have ways here to obtain OEM level access. Thats the reason we prefer it.

There was a guy on here that decoded how the dealer level dongle on your LiNX system works, and re-wrote the software so that now even on your LiNX system true OEM level, and even further options are now possible.

Show me a screenshot of your motor compensation settings? If you can, then I will eat my hat! (wont be the first time!)

So if not, and you want true OEM access to all the possible options inc things like turn acceleleration scalers, and motor load compensation and a lot more then you would need to email him and send him some $$$ for the privelidge.

because my ATP didn't know how to use

Whats an ATP??


Anything to do with wheelchair selection, medical "professionals" etc cannot access OEM from LiNX only Original Equipment Manufacturers. So only the likes of Sunrise or Bounder can use it. Or obtain it. Under threat of castration or worse if it is mentioned or released to public...

Yea your correct it is dealer level. I can adjust turn acceleration deceleration and turn speed. But not motor load. And they set limit on how low the deceleration will go. But your right I have a dealers key linx also makes a manufacturers key but no chance of me getting that. I probably should have checked here about R-net first because I know alot of people like R-net but I'm still happy with it. At least now the next person that reads this will know better. But I would like to know how to get OEM access?

a ATP is a adaptive technology specialist or practitioner

[fishinjunky]

Thanks that will help alot. I'm not sure what they did to improve the chain itself but I would also like to know as I heard it from a third party not 21st Century Scientific. How are the motors and actuators in yours lasting. How long have you had your Bounder?

so far they are lasting for me - its goin on 3 years now - but i dont use the chair much at all in the winter - none of my chairs - i stay home - dont like the cold etc,

once summer comes - i am out daily as much as i can - and usually ride long trips - so it gets a work out for sure - for a good 3 to 4 months

being that i use two chairs for outdoor use - i can give one a break every now and then -

That's awsome I have a invacare tdx sp that I just completely rebuilt for indoors that way I can give the bounder a break

[fishinjunky]

this is what they did if you wanted - for the linx - comes in handy for me at least

That's cool fortunately the joystick is working out pretty well

[Burgerman]

Thats what I am telling you. There IS a way to get the full OEM version and better, so you can adjust the "walls" they put in, increase turn accel and decel "scaler" and other important stuff like load compensation.

Anyone can get the dealer version you have for linx, its literally on the order form page on most chairs, or direct from Dynamic. Freely available to the public. But theres a guy on here that spent a lot of time and some money with a paid programmer that wrote some software that gives full OEM access and above (service etc) on your dealer dongle. If you have a look in these threads you will find his eMail. Then you will have full OEM level access.

OEM level access on R-Net - a better system really, is possible using the dealer level dongle and the OEM level software with a small easy workaround. Thats why its prefered here. Well tested and proven. You really should have gone R-Net. But nevertheless OEM can now be done with Linx too since its been cracked!

[fishinjunky]

Thats what I am telling you. There IS a way to get the full OEM version and better, so you can adjust the "walls" they put in, increase turn accel and decel "scaler" and other important stuff like load compensation.

Anyone can get the dealer version you have for linx, its literally on the order form page on most chairs, or direct from Dynamic. Freely available to the public. But theres a guy on here that spent a lot of time and some money with a paid programmer that wrote some software that gives full OEM access and above (service etc) on your dealer dongle. If you have a look in these threads you will find his eMail. Then you will have full OEM level access.

OEM level access on R-Net - a better system really, is possible using the dealer level dongle and the OEM level software with a small easy workaround. Thats why its prefered here. Well tested and proven. You really should have gone R-Net. But nevertheless OEM can now be done with Linx too since its been cracked!

Ok I understand now. Sorry about that I misunderstood you. Here I was thinking I was special lol

[Burgerman]

You would benefit from reading here, 3 pages.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=10121&hilit=linx+oem

And he has reduced the price now!

Here https://linxoemaccess.weebly.com/ 121 euros...

[fishinjunky]

You would benefit from reading here, 3 pages.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=10121&hilit=linx+oem

And he has reduced the price now!

Here https://linxoemaccess.weebly.com/ 121 euros...

awsome thank you i just read all 3. Im so glad I found this forum so much info thats nearly impossible to find elsewhere.

[Burgerman]

Take a look at the screenshots in that last link above. On weebly whatever that is!

The info and knowledge you will find here is way beyond what you will get from manufacturers let along dealers and certainly any other web site or forum. Inc some dodgy stuff like this!

[fishinjunky]

Take a look at the screenshots in that last link above. On weebly whatever that is!

The info and knowledge you will find here is way beyond what you will get from manufacturers let along dealers and certainly any other web site or forum. Inc some dodgy stuff like this!

yea that allows alot more adjustments ill be getting the patch for sure. thank you

this forum is great lots of "chair heads" like me lol

[fishinjunky]

also - i have seen an snapshot of the settings it came with on a Rnet 300M - and they do have it adjusted better - full speed on the turning etc, as we would like it to be -

they come better in the settings dept then other brands of chairs - i wont be surprised if yours with the linx is set up better than most stock chairs would be - only way you can really know is get access to the settings and check

have you been able to disable the slow down speed when you chair is tilted. By using the software or locating the sensor/microswitch?

[Burgerman]

I did all my chairs and 101 other things at the same time in programming. R-Net OEM however.

Because when a module or seating actuator or switch fails 15 miles from home you dont wanna be going .5mph all the way home! As it will take 30 hours.

[expresso]

also - i have seen an snapshot of the settings it came with on a Rnet 300M - and they do have it adjusted better - full speed on the turning etc, as we would like it to be -

they come better in the settings dept then other brands of chairs - i wont be surprised if yours with the linx is set up better than most stock chairs would be - only way you can really know is get access to the settings and check

have you been able to disable the slow down speed when you chair is tilted. By using the software or locating the sensor/microswitch?

are you asking me if i slowed it down on the bounder ?


i didnt touch anything - the bounder is fast even when all the way up - seat lifted - it is slowed down but still fast -

[fishinjunky]

Ok I was wondering if you were able to go fast while tilted. Mine slows down while tilted I'd like to disable that

[Burgerman]

You can disable it in programming or choose your own slowdown speed...

[fishinjunky]

You can disable it in programming or choose your own slowdown speed...

Do you think I should get the linx OEM patch or wait until he's answering emails again. I have the chair pretty well dialed in besides a couple little things but that's only because I have no hand or finger function so I have to keep things tuned down but I still want the option to do what I want regardless

[steves1977uk]

Personally I would ask Bounder if they would swap the Linx setup for a R-net setup, this way buy a dealer or OEM dongle and the latest programming software can be found easily. No waiting for a guy to respond to his e-mails just to get OEM access for a price.

Steve

[fishinjunky]

Personally I would ask Bounder if they would swap the Linx setup for a R-net setup, this way buy a dealer or OEM dongle and the latest programming software can be found easily. No waiting for a guy to respond to his e-mails just to get OEM access for a price.

Steve

That's probably what I'll do and if they wont swap them I'll just take my time hunting for good deals on R-net parts until I have everything I need to swap

[expresso]

Use the chair first for some time and see how you feel - you may not need to swap anything - it wont be cheap if you did go down that road

you can find many Rnet parts online - ebay etc, - but not sure its worth all that trouble IF your are ok with the setup -

i like to hear how it works with that linx - have you used it yet - ? Rnet does give you alot of options to adjust - you have more adjustments you can make on yours than i have with mines and i got used to mines enough that it dosnt bother me -

that maybe the case with your also - you may just be fine that way it is - or with some adjustments you can make - use it the whole summer and see if anything bothers you enough to want to change it - you may not want to after some use -

[Burgerman]

Then this old thread may be of interest. If you do in the future.


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