Permobil side bag ??

[expresso]

Has anyone changed or replaced a side bag on a Permobil - how does it work ? i have someone and the arm pads dont look like they can be removed- it looks like you have to replace the whole Arm - in between is the side bag - that cant be replaced or removed

who ever has a permobil if they managed to replace a side bag - - normally you remove the arm pad - attach the bag - and screw it back down

with permobil it looks like its all stuck together - dont see screws or how to take it apart

She is doing a new chair - and side bags are not covered - and to order them from permobil is around 200 dollars - was told can only use permobil for there chairs -

who ever has a oermobil chair - is there a way to do it ?

thanks

[Burgerman]

[expresso]

yeah - its not my chair - - but that would work -

i never seen anything like that - or heard that - it seems to be molded in between the arm pad and the arm unit - you cant unscrew the armpad

they really make it difficult to do anything your self - -- and then want to charge 200 dollars - for a $20 dollar bag -

i swore it wasnt true - but today i went to look and it really does seem that way - i could be wrong - i know many have those chairs here - wonder if its correct or there is a way

another reason not to get one -

[Burgerman]

Of course. Permobil in a nutshell. They go miles out of their way to ensure you are tied to them for everything and that it costs a fortune. So you are likely correct.

[expresso]

so you wear out your armpad - and they have to order the Whole Arm unit - - comes in one peiace - with or with our a side bag you have to order together - they mold them in there and thats it

change a few bolts and got a new arm pad - never heard of such a way - people wear them out in months sometimes - any normal chair
you just unscrew replace the arm pad and thats it

i could be wrong - its too crazy to think that it may actually be this way - you have to spend $1000 for no reason - because arm pads need replaced

thats a guess figure - but i bet it wont be too much off - i can see the whole arm unit costing $500 each - and you need two

[Burgerman]

If you are correct it isnt for no reason. It to keep you tied to permobil specific parts at permobils $$$$ prices. Over here permobil is about two thirds to double the cost of say sunrise or invacare or most others. And the permobil specific parts like that arm are designed to be expensive since the wear out quick. Probably.

[expresso]

i am waiting to hear from others here who have the same chair - its an F3 - i find it very strange that you cant replace just the arm pad itself

so your stuck with what it comes with it from new and thats it - if it rips or wears out - you have to change the whole Arm - if you dont order the side bag when the chair is new - well then your out of luck - cant add it after the fact -

sure you can add your own - but it wont be attached the same way - you would have to strap your own bag around the whole arm pad on the outside -

which is silly - i was 100% sure the person was wrong - so i went to look and it does look like she may be right - - cant even remove the side bag from one chair to another -

your screwed if you dont get it with the chair - insurance doesnt cover it - and they want $200 for it -


techs are not even allowed to touch those chairs - only a battery or tire swap - minor adjustments - they dont want them touched by others

its ridiculous - i wont ever get one - if i can help it - dont see whats special about them at all -

[Arima]

I use a small key/phone bag that slides over the armrest. That way I can switch it to another chair when needed. It also helps protect the pad itself. You can replace the pad on my F3 without replacing the whole armrest. There are 3 parts. The weigh bearing piece that bolts to the frame, then on top of that the plastic trim/retainer which the pad clamps into. Frame, Trim, Pad = 3 parts.

[swalker]

Here is a parts diagram for the Permobil Corpus 3G armrest that I found online.

The top part, which looks like it is item 36, simply pops off. I have watched a technician do this to my wheelchairs several times, though have never tried it myself.

Steve

[expresso]

whow -- looking at that diagram - looks like i need to go to collage to learn to replace an armpad - could they make it any harder

i didnt see any screws under the Arm unit itself - i will see if someone can do it for her - i cant do it - i will look again maybe i missed the screws under the arm post itself

thanks for the input - the chair is an F3 - if that makes any difference

[expresso]

I use a small key/phone bag that slides over the armrest. That way I can switch it to another chair when needed. It also helps protect the pad itself. You can replace the pad on my F3 without replacing the whole armrest. There are 3 parts. The weigh bearing piece that bolts to the frame, then on top of that the plastic trim/retainer which the pad clamps into. Frame, Trim, Pad = 3 parts.

i will have to check again - would need someone to do it for her - most likely a tech who done it before - so from what i understand then - its not screws that hold it down - the armpad - it snaps in ?

to remove it - i would need to unsnap it off - the arm pad - then have access to the side bag thats sandwiched between the armpad and frame of the arm post itself -

[expresso]

Here is a parts diagram for the Permobil Corpus 3G armrest that I found online.

The top part, which looks like it is item 36, simply pops off. I have watched a technician do this to my wheelchairs several times, though have never tried it myself.

Steve

Ok looking it over - i just need to focus on number 36 - snap it off - then remove 4 screws on top - and can replace it that way - if its the same on the F3 which it looks like it -

thanks - in that case - it looks like it can be done - i hope i dont break it for her -

[swalker]

I am not sure I remember right, but I think you need to remove the armrest assembly and then release the plastic clips from the underneath side to get the very top piece off.

Steve

[daveonwheels]

there are no screws.simply undo the clips. and yes i use an F3

[expresso]

I am not sure I remember right, but I think you need to remove the armrest assembly and then release the plastic clips from the underneath side to get the very top piece off.

Steve

the whole arm rest off the chair - ? i dont see screws to remove unless i missed them or they hiding - from that diagram - looks like the armpad only pops up off - then 4 screws under there - then can get to the side bag which is sandwiched between that under the 4 screws -

i think

[daveonwheels]

oh and no need to remove the armrest. its really not hard

[expresso]

oh and no need to remove the armrest. its really not hard

how does it work ?

arm pad pops up off ? then 4 screws - is that it ?

[Burgerman]

That is it. Looks easy enough.

[expresso]

i will see - i ordered a new side bag - for $16 amazon - when i get it - i will try to install it for her and see how it works out

i guess would use a flat screwdriver to wedge it off the arm pad - as long as it pops off easy enough -without me breaking it - then i have to find a new armpad - which maybe another problem to find one - those you may only get from them which they will charge alot

[daveonwheels]

there are many on ebay.make sure you get the right one. better yet,put armrest pad back on because you didnt break it

[expresso]

there are many on ebay.make sure you get the right one. better yet,put armrest pad back on because you didnt break it

thats the goal - to use the new sidebag i ordered for her - and install it on her new chair when she gets it -


now i can try on her current chair - to see how it works getting the armpad off

i have to search ebay to see what they have in case i break it -i have to replace it

[Arima]

Okay I dragged my old one out. But my outdoor photography sucks. I tried to point to the tabs you need to depress. The pointer on the far right should be about an inch to the left. The same 5 tabs are on the opposite side...a total of 10. It is easy to break. If the pad (part #36 from the pdf) is glued down I don't know how you will get to the four screws holding (part #34 to part #33) without damaging the pad.

I had to wait to find replacements but they do show on ebay from time to time. Post of photo I'm curious to see what her's looks like.

[expresso]

ok thanks - when i go check it - i will take a photo -

so just the tabs need to be pressed - for the arm pad itself

i hope its not glued -

[biscuit]

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[Burgerman]

It wont be glued.. Why would they do that?

[expresso]

i have goo gone - it does work - but i wont use it on her chair - in case something else goes wrong - if they really did use glue - thats extreme

but wont put it past them - later this evening i will go look again and take some pictures - it baffles me that its so involved to do -

vendor ATP say cant be done - of course - like all of them - repeat what they are told - anything can be done but they wont touch it -

all fear of breaking it - so they say it cant be changed - they would change the whole ARM unit - instead of trying to just change the pad

i check it out later - if i get the permission to try to remove it - i will try with help or direct someone else once i see the snaps how they unsnap

[Arima]

Why? To foil you

[expresso]

i wont be surprised if it was glued also

i guess they want you to change the whole unit - that slides on the rail -

someone else showed me this - says loosen those two and it will slide off -

it seems everyone has a different way - or each chair was made different - one slides off - another has clips - yours has glue - going to be fun - the person may not even want to touch it any more if it becomes a major job - with chance of breaking something else in the process

either later today or tomorrow - i will check it again

[expresso]

that looks like the Gel armpads - that are glued down

she has gel also - i bet thats why they told her - cant be changed or removed

[Arima]

I would not call the pads I have "gel" . They are much thinner than the one you have in the photo. If you look at the pdf it has 2 versions of part # 19 diagrammed. Mine is the one on the right. Only remove the single bolt (part #24) to remove the whole armrest from the chair.