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Postby Burgerman » 13 Jun 2022, 03:17

The file below is from my finely tuned rear drive, no gyro, 4 pole motor, 6mph Salsa powerchair.
It has seating and lighting and is 6.5mph.

The complete file is everything.

The 2nd one is just the speed settings. And relavent other stuff. That can probably be used on all powercairs that do not use a gyro. And are not permobil. God knows what that would do.

It will ONLY change the relevant settings, give you a EMPTY CHAIR that is for use by people driving the chair externally, while empty. And a profile2 ALL SPEEDS profile which is perfectly balanced at every speed.


So in profile 1 its super slow, balanced turn, and forward and reverse speeds while being very proportional and direct. This cannot accidentally be speeded up.

Profile 2 works the same as profile 1 but does ALL SPEEDS.
Speed 1 is perfectly balanced turn rates, reverse etc. But super slow.
Speed 2 is perfect in the house and again a fully balances linear setup. Just slow.
Speeds 3, 4 and 5 give you the same thing, but just faster and balanced turn rates, reverse and forward speeds and accelerations.

SAVE your existing chairs profile, so it can be used at some later time in case you dont like this new one. And install the file below that ONLY has the speed settings, then thats all you will ever need. These settings are very precise, and work at all speeds in a balanced way. Should work on 4, 6 or 8mph chairs. Anything using r-net. It also enables OBP as well as removes all the "walls" and one or two other things.

Give it a try and the chair will actually steer properly for the frst time in its life. Test on low speed settings first. And then increase one speed at a time. You will no longer require any other profiles.
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STEER.Rnss
This will make every non gyro, non permobil normal powerchair steer correctly at all speeds. Test. At your own risk.
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CURRENT SALSA 12 June 22.R-net
THIS IS THE FULL THING, DONT UPLOAD THIS TO YOUR CHAIR UNLESS ITS IDENTICAL TO MINE.
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Re: R-Net steering

Postby Marcelo » 13 Jun 2022, 23:11

Hi Burgerman, could I do this using just the notebook? connected to my Permobil F-3 hub? :thumbup:
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Re: R-Net steering

Postby Burgerman » 14 Jun 2022, 01:56

No NOT permobil.
And no not if any gyro or stability system is used. Those chairs cant ever be made to steer properly anyway. Will work on every other R-Net powerchair.

The 2nd one is just the speed settings. And relavent other stuff. That can probably be used on all powerchairs that do not use a gyro. And are not permobil. God knows what that would do.


If you have a NON PERMOBIL chair, with a gyro by R-Net, then these settings can be used after you choose NO GYRO in the settings for both of the profiles. But if its front drive it will then still fishtale and be hard to drive. So no front drive chairs either.
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Re: R-Net steering

Postby Marcelo » 14 Jun 2022, 14:29

I just want to increase the speed you know, I'm not going to change the gyro, I intend to increase it to 6.5 miles ok. Would it be possible to configure using only the PC connected to the R-NET central? :thumbup:
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Re: R-Net steering

Postby daveonwheels » 14 Jun 2022, 15:32

no.dont mess with it
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Re: R-Net steering

Postby Marcelo » 14 Jun 2022, 15:38

daveonwheels wrote:no.dont mess with it
The one that's really best friend. :thumbup:
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Re: R-Net steering

Postby daveonwheels » 14 Jun 2022, 15:41

you cannot make an F3 "go faster" with programming. i own an F3 and live in the USA and have access to the factory rep and her tools,she'd just laugh at me if i made such a request. buy an F5 if you want to go faster as it has the high speed motors
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Re: R-Net steering

Postby daveonwheels » 14 Jun 2022, 15:46

youre already at 6.5mph anyway unless some funky stuff happened in Brasil, just fyi
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Re: R-Net steering

Postby Marcelo » 14 Jun 2022, 20:58

daveonwheels wrote:youre already at 6.5mph anyway unless some funky stuff happened in Brasil, just fyi
Hi buddy, my F-3 only goes 5 miles. But he saw keep quiet, I don't want any problems. lol
Thanks.
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Re: R-Net steering

Postby Burgerman » 14 Jun 2022, 21:33

I have no idea how ast permobil motors are. But if its all set as stock, at 100% then theres no more to be had. Unless someone has REDUCED this.
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Re: R-Net steering

Postby Marcelo » 14 Jun 2022, 21:41

Burgerman wrote:I have no idea how ast permobil motors are. But if its all set as stock, at 100% then theres no more to be had. Unless someone has REDUCED this.
That's right Burgerman, the F3's standard speed is 6.5 miles, the former owner was elderly, so they limited it in the program. Thanks for your time friend. :thumbup:
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Re: R-Net steering

Postby Fusiongoat » 14 Jun 2022, 21:48

Marcelo wrote:
daveonwheels wrote:youre already at 6.5mph anyway unless some funky stuff happened in Brasil, just fyi
Hi buddy, my F-3 only goes 5 miles. But he saw keep quiet, I don't want any problems. lol
Thanks.

Is this because you don't have front anti tippers? This is just a setting you can change. I think it's the same as for any R-net chair. FYI This might not be a safe thing to do...
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Re: R-Net steering

Postby Marcelo » 14 Jun 2022, 21:53

Thanks to all brothers in struggle for the tips shared with me, my chair was limited in the program, because the former owner was elderly. Life goes on. :thumbup:
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Re: R-Net steering

Postby Fusiongoat » 14 Jun 2022, 21:59

Marcelo wrote:Thanks to all brothers in struggle for the tips shared with me, my chair was limited in the program, because the former owner was elderly. Life goes on. :thumbup:

Great :dance
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Re: R-Net steering

Postby daveonwheels » 14 Jun 2022, 22:27

contact permobil via email. maybe they have a rep down there
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Re: R-Net steering

Postby fishinjunky » 15 Jun 2022, 14:37

i wish we could do this with Linx electronics get it this precise so we can share files with each other. But to many unknowns :fencing
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Re: R-Net steering

Postby Burgerman » 16 Jun 2022, 02:35

Today I sent 3 people around the streets, and around the house in the Salsa, and the Q700R which have both got the exact same settings. And same basic layout. But this should be fine for mid or rear drive chairs.

We fine tuned a couple of things further.
I reduced the turn speed at the fast end, very slightly. It was a little much for some not at speed, but when manoevering at indoor speeds. By just 4.
I Increased the reverse speed when set to slowest speed, as that was too slow. By 3.
And thats it.

One test subject was a carer. Another a freind. And another was a chair user, not me! But all thought it was about as good as possible. NOTE. All had normal hands, and the joystick is mounted in the correct position, and proper technique used. With side of joystick pod as reference for palm of hand. Thumb and forefinger on joystick. And thats because I explained why nothing else works properly. And showed them how and why...

So now these settings would seem a tiny bit better still, a fraction smoother. No delays or accelerations in the turns. A perfect linear proportional starting point for any normal R-NET chair that is mid or rear drive, without a gyro. And not permobil!
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STEER.Rnss
THIS is ONLY the setting that control how the chair drives.
Everything else on your chair will remain exactly as before.
USE the 2nd profile. Called ALL SPEEDS. And set it to whatever speed you want. It works from 1mph to whatever your chairs max is. Equally well indoors or outdoors. The 1st profile is called EMPTY CHAIR designed only for moving an empty chair by carers or people that would otherwise likely crash it... Super slow.
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Re: R-Net steering

Postby Scragger7 » 18 Jun 2022, 15:04

oops
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Re: R-Net steering

Postby Scragger7 » 18 Jun 2022, 15:05

Might give steer a try see how it compares to what i use now . How do you open the file once downloaded?(forgot). How do you put it on without it adjusting your other settings?

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Re: R-Net steering

Postby Burgerman » 18 Jun 2022, 15:36

Open with any version of r-net pc programmer. It only changes the things shown. Dont be tempted to adjust ANYTHING!
And upload to chair. But save your existing one somewhere first in case. As always.

What chair?
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Re: R-Net steering

Postby Scragger7 » 18 Jun 2022, 16:06

700R. Confussed with what to do wth "steer rnss" file
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Re: R-Net steering

Postby Burgerman » 18 Jun 2022, 16:07

It has a gyro. It will still work, if you disable the gyro in the two profiles. As I did on mine. Or it will be undrivable.

Set under:

STABILITY/GYRO//PROFILED/GYRO SELECT PROFILE and set both to NO.

Confused?
Open programmer, go to open, and point it to file...
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Re: R-Net steering

Postby Scragger7 » 18 Jun 2022, 16:15

Gyro already disabled
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Re: R-Net steering

Postby Burgerman » 18 Jun 2022, 16:16

Confused?
Open programmer, go to file/open, and point it to the file...
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Re: R-Net steering

Postby Scragger7 » 18 Jun 2022, 16:18

It dosent see 'steer" does see all my other profiles i have saved tho.
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Re: R-Net steering

Postby Scragger7 » 18 Jun 2022, 16:22

As i said earlier Steer comes up as a rnss file not an r-net file, thats why i asked what do you open it with.
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Re: R-Net steering

Postby Burgerman » 18 Jun 2022, 16:23

Is the steer file on your desktop?
In the box where you see the other files theres a place where you can tell it to see SUBSET FILES. On the bottom right that you are missing.
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Re: R-Net steering

Postby Burgerman » 18 Jun 2022, 16:25

HERE!!!

Beats me why nobody can drive a computer. I am going to start another forum. :argument
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Re: R-Net steering

Postby Burgerman » 18 Jun 2022, 16:28

Also if you right click that .rnss file or the .r-net file and tell windows to always open those with the r-net programmer then it will always open them by double clicking. An will add the rnet logo. Because it then associates these two file extensions with r-net.
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Re: R-Net steering

Postby Scragger7 » 18 Jun 2022, 16:38

Thanks, no need to be so rude tho . Not everyone is a computer expert. Now that i have seen it i will know next time. Appreciate it. Will try it out tomorrow morning.
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