which chair is best or better.

[carlo67]

hi
I have a Jazzy 1122 wheelchair and omni+ and the PC Prog Oem 8. this chair is getting old [8 yrs old]
I will be change my chair few weeks time .
I would like to know which chair is best or better.

Permobil C300

Quickie Qm710

Quantum Q6 Edge

performance, faster and easy and exc exc

[rlnguy]

That is an impossible question to answer, especially knowing nothing about your situation.
Generally, the best one will be the one that is fitted the best, and has the features you want-and, this is very important-has the best local support.
I don't know where you are, but here in the US, there are areas of the country where one product brand is better supported than another.
They are all pretty competitive, with similar features.
Since you have PG controls already, it might be easier to change to a new chair, with the same brand of controls-I think that might rule out the Q-logic chair, I'm not sure what Quickie uses on that chair. Permobil uses PG R-net.
In my experience, stick with whatever drive configuration, (front, rear, or midwheel) you are used to.
I hope this helps and good luck

[ex-Gooserider]

We generally suggest people avoid Pride / Quantum products because of the difficulty in fixing the programming of the Q-logic controllers (often among the worst in the industry) and the seemingly poorer than average build quality of Pride products...

However without a lot more details about your exact needs it is hard to say.

ex-Gooserider

[motoman]

If you like halfway decent programming get the Permobil. I bought a M300 last year and with R-net you at least have the capability to get the chair to steer correctly. Also, to me the Permobil has a better design and build quality...IMHO

[carlo67]

ok thank you for all information.
I am in victoria australia.

I like programming chair and speed profiles.
Can I adjust these options.

Forward Acceleration
Reverse Deceleration
Turn Acceleration
Turn Deceleration
Forward Speed
Reverse Speed.
Turning Speed

i have the front wheel drive. and I need control setting forward and backward with switch

[Burgerman]

I like programming chair and speed profiles.
Can I adjust these options.

Forward Acceleration
Reverse Deceleration
Turn Acceleration
Turn Deceleration
Forward Speed
Reverse Speed.
Turning Speed

To make any chair steer and work correctly and to suit you, you need more than this.
Its almost essential you get a chair that allows you to access an OEM or Engineering level programmer. You may not think so now, but...

[carlo67]

which model to allow me to do that [ to access an OEM or Engineering level programmer]

I got a galaxy tab 7 7 on my chair.

[carlo67]

today I saw my support [technical guy ] he said to me get the Quantum Q6 Edge

I would like to know if I make the Quantum Q6 Edge go faster?

[carlo67]

today I saw my support [technical guy ] he said to me get the Quantum Q6 Edge. .
he said to me that the Q6 Edge is much more better 6000z

I would like to know if I can make the Quantum Q6 Edge go faster?

[Burgerman]

I wouldn't want either of those, for reasons of programming, and being pretty useless outdoors.

Better in what way? Edge has less speed, less power (controller smaller, batteries smaller etc) but is better indoors as long as you are small.

[carlo67]

ok then, which models do you recommend?

[Burgerman]

Possibly a frontier V4 or V6 would be the closest that would suit ME. But lacks power, range, speed, and is too tall, long, and wide for my purposes.

Its not possible to recommend a chair for others. It all depends on your usage, needs, surroundings, preferences, and so on. For myself I would want something rear drive to begin with the exception of the X5/V5. And fast, good range, plenty of outdoor capability, and total programmability.

I couldn't find what I need so built my own here http://www.wheelchairdriver.com/BM-MK3- ... rchair.htm Since its a better balance of size that suits my needs than anything I can buy.

Most likely this would not suit you. It is less stable, and way more lively than anything you can buy.

You need to learn as much about chairs, as poss, test and try them, and be sure full programmability is possible one way or another. Then you will be in a position to choose.

[Step]

2 midwheel drive and 1 frontwheel drive chairs...
The quicky is the basic model, the other two a bit higher placed with the Q6 making all the alarms here go off.
impossible to compare really.
Did you check out the Quickie Jive series? better controllers that the Quickie Q (120amp vs 90amps)

You won't be able to program any chair yourself and there's only a little chance your provider will be able to.
Not even with a galaxy tab. you might be able to change the speed as you do on the joystick pod but that's not programming, that's using the pre-programmed settings.
You can't program a chair to go faster, you buy fast/slow motors.
Only if you buy a fast chair that's programmed to go slow afterwards, you can reprogram.

[rlnguy]

Permobil offers dealer level dongle for programming on it's order form.
It doesn't give full access, but still enough to get yourself injured, if you don't know what you're doing.

[motoman]

today I saw my support [technical guy
he said to me that the Q6 Edge is much more better 6000z

More better??? I doubt it. I believe the edge has a 70a controller vs. the 100a on the z. And IIRC the edge is only 4.5 or 5 mph. And you will never get it to steer decently.
There has got to be a higher profit margin on the Pride chairs by the way so many dealers push them...

[carlo67]

ok the guy said q6 edge more smoothly and bigger wheels.

I readed somewhere q6 got a small 22NF gel batteries
if it got,them, q6 is out lol

[Blade Runner]

Try to test drive as many different kinds as you can, different brands,different models.
Try them in your house and places you normally go.
That's the best way to decide which is best for YOU. That's all that counts.

Bob

[carlo67]

where I can get more information about x5 frontier power wheelchair ?

[carlo67]

what is different from v6 and x5?

[Burgerman]

The X5 is the old version. The V6 is a remodel. Basically same thing.


http://www.magicmobility.com.au/frontier-v6.html

Base build quality is reasonably good. Seating/footplates/arms etc a bit dubious. Size a bit big for indoor use.

[carlo67]

ok
which batteries v6 can take. [big or small]?
is there much different from front and mid wheels drive ] I got front wheels drive with jazzy now ?

can I programme with v6?

[carlo67]

Hi Carlo ,

Unfortunately we do not carry the Magic mobility range of chairs ,

Looking at the V6 it is pretty similar to the Edge with the Community Wheels ( for outdoors ) http://www.wheelchairjunkie.com/peoplefirst.html

I have attached a link to a review of the chair , have a read and let me know what you think ,

Chairs that I can support you with are Quickie , Quantum & Permobil , I have access to all chairs from the AUS ranges of these suppliers and we get excellent technical backup from the dealer supports form these companies,

[carlo67]

hi carlo
I suppose it would be like walking into a ford dealership and saying in need a VW Beetle !! J J J ,

We do have relationships with other dealers etc , but unfortunately we do not have one with the suppliers of the V6 , If you are going to pursue one of these chairs Carlo , I would urge you to investigate the backup service provided in our area by the company you are getting it from if you have a breakdown / software issue etc ,

If there is anything in the Quickie / Permobil range you would like to look at just let me know

[Burgerman]

Looking at the V6 it is pretty similar to the Edge with the Community Wheels ( for outdoors ) http://www.wheelchairjunkie.com/peoplefirst.html

There is no comparison.

The pride chair is small. Works better indoors, and has small casters etc. Its drive tyres are not high floatation, low pressure, but just 1 inch wider than stock. Also it uses a small low power 70A controller, has lower speed, smaller batteries. Its basically an indoor chair for small people, with some slightly wider tyres (but not all terrain low pressure ones).

The V4/X5/V6 is a bigger chair, less good indoors but much better outdoors. With better ride, capability, range, torque etc. With full sized grp 24 batteries, big 120 Amp controller, and higher speeds, larger casters, much fatter high floatation tyres for a better ride on pavements and some all terrain capability such as some sand, grass etc.

Your dealer is clueless.

My chair is basically the same, and does this sand/grass/snow thing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV1uAjUYbGU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgraWdS0NXI

Etc.

Dog walking (my very old abused chair here, but X5 can do the same sort of thing)

http://www.wheelchairdriver.com/gopro/dogwalk.mp4 (download to desktop)

Why these fat tyres with low pressure are better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4eZJ6lKRUg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq6vSvtwfI0

That pride chair wouldn't stand a chance.

[flagman1776]

We have a gravel driveway... 25 years of packed down. I had a used Jazzy home to try from a charity source. It looked like it had a lot of ground clearance & did well at the lawn of the facility... even went over tree roots that stuck up a couple of inches. So I trailered it home.
It's about 400 feet to my mailbox. My first (& last) test run I went out to get the mail. The narrow main tires sank in the packed gravel, not a lot but enough. There were egg sized stones about flush in the gravel. The Jazzy has a gear housing underneath in line with each wheel and a couple of inches in from each. On a hard surface there was about 1/2" clearance on this gear housing. On something like a linear root the wheel lifts the whole side & the gear housing clearance was maintained. I figured... you might figure too... that the slight contact with these smooth egg sized rocks, the chair would skid over them. You'd be wrong. What happened is the rock bound tight against the housing and as I powered forward, it rolled the egg sized rock up on top of the ground, lifting that drive wheel & immobilizing the power chair. I was able to wiggle it off a few times but most of the time, I got myself in bigger trouble. Now I can stand, so I got off, removed the rock & went again. It happened a dozen times in the return trip. My wife joined me & we were happy to push it up the ramp into the house. It was not a help, it was a burden to me. I trailered it back to the charity source, the next day.

Now I am just one man & this is just one location. But it was unsuitable for my location. I could not see under the machine when I picked it up. One could not slide their fingers underneath between a hard floor & the gear housing. Lesson learned.

[carlo67]

ok
which batteries v6 HYBRIDcan take. [big or small]?

[Burgerman]

Big. Same chair but with the usual hard skinny wheels. Kind of defeats the whole point.


The skinny wheels were just an answer to those that said the X5 or V6 were too wide. But they just leave you with a chair that has a harsh ride, and sinks on softer stuff. And has wide front casters...

Bit pointless really.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjMNCuqcd0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9t3b_Oxv8g

All of them are basically the same. And all are very wide across front casters. These were designed for the fat tyred version initially and so are too wide with the skinny wheels and tyres.

All of these over the counter chairs have one or more issues that would prevent them being ideal. That's why I build my own. I get the best size/layout for ME. And get to use (3x bigger/lighter) lithium batteries, fast chargers, 150Amp 45 volt controllers for greater torque and speed than any bought chair and better range and battery service life by about 3 to 6 times. Etc etc.

[carlo67]

ok thanks
I can't build my own so I have to pick one .I really like v6 HYBRID or COMPACT73 front or mid wheels drive.

question
what about programming?

[Burgerman]

To get FULL programming capability you need the OEM programming tool from the manufacturer of the control system. I wouldn't be happy without this, as I KNOW how much better things can be.

Having said this the X6 and presumably V6 too is nowhere near as bad as a starting point than the pride chairs are. So it depends how particular you are. You can order it with various dumbed down programming capability built is called OBP (On Board Prog.).

Actually getting hold of the full PC based version isn't easy... But can be done with a fight.
But is impossible with prides stuff. Its kept under lock and key in their engineering department and doesn't exist as anything you can get hold of.

[carlo67]

Hi Carlo,
I think I have found a supplier of magic mobility locally who is able to get the compact 73 for trial. This is a smaller supplier compared to Aidacare, so the process could be a little slower. The supplier has also notified me he is only able to do a trial for a couple of hours rather than a couple of days. Are you happy with this?