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Re: Jive/Salsa R2 mixture

Postby Scooterman » 07 Apr 2018, 15:19

foghornleghorn wrote:
I weighed myself and my wheelchair combined while visiting a care home one day and seeing they had scales, came to 192kg. Starting at almost that while empty is getting a bit crazy! Most portable ramps to load into a vehicle are 300kg limit, and the ones to get you on a train or a bus are the same.

My manual chair weighs 10kg and with me sat in it 60kg. How's that for lightweight, I could almost float way :D
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Re: Jive/Salsa R2 mixture

Postby Burgerman » 07 Apr 2018, 20:34

Carbon plate?
1 sq foot of steel plate with a foam pad and fake leather vover that sits on the vertical part to take the weight of legs when elevated. Not the plate itself.
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Re: Jive/Salsa R2 mixture

Postby shirley_hkg » 28 Apr 2018, 13:27

Went to collect pair of 3.5j-8 rims.
One of them has the 8 holes done far from perfect . :fencing :cussing

Did yours have a problem , John ?
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Re: Jive/Salsa R2 mixture

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Re: Jive/Salsa R2 mixture

Postby shirley_hkg » 29 Apr 2018, 03:29

Unlike 10'' rims with numerous sellers to be choosen , 8'' ones have only a few.
Though won't affect performance at all and rough at close look only , sorry for the imperfection still . banghead
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Re: Jive/Salsa R2 mixture

Postby Burgerman » 29 Apr 2018, 11:01

Well I am a perfectionist, and wouldnt fit them. But most people dont care as much.
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Re: Jive/Salsa R2 mixture

Postby ICEUK » 14 May 2018, 18:19

Bm, why not the storm 4, i know there was a reason but i cant remember.
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Re: Jive/Salsa R2 mixture

Postby Swan T.W. » 14 May 2018, 18:41

Is the SalsaR discontinued?
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Re: Jive/Salsa R2 mixture

Postby steves1977uk » 14 May 2018, 18:59

ICEUK wrote:Bm, why not the storm 4, i know there was a reason but i cant remember.


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Re: Jive/Salsa R2 mixture

Postby Burgerman » 14 May 2018, 19:08

Because to turn an EMPTY chair left or right on a carpet in my room, too 192A from the battery! :cussing

When I am sat in it, presumably it took 125A per motor. Because it stalled, and wouldnt turn. Or rather it did once, maybe twice. Then it refused to go. Which isnt surprising!

So was unusable. Its bad by design. You cant have adequate torque without 5x too many Amps, without a gearbox. Direct drive isnt workable. Quite how theres so many bruhless chairs out there actually functioning beats me. As soon as you expect anything from them they hang up and stop!
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Re: Jive/Salsa R2 mixture

Postby Burgerman » 14 May 2018, 19:09

Is the SalsaR discontinued?


Probably, the R2 is its replacement? They are all just grooves regardless give or take a few minor changes!

Yep! Long gone. https://www.sunrisemedical.co.uk/powere ... rs/salsa-r
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Re: Jive/Salsa R2 mixture

Postby shirley_hkg » 28 Jun 2018, 13:57

Hi .
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Re: Jive/Salsa R2 mixture

Postby Burgerman » 28 Jun 2018, 15:17

Shirley drunk again... :cussing
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Re: Jive/Salsa R2 mixture

Postby shirley_hkg » 29 Jun 2018, 02:42

Someone asked about 8'' rims , and I'd rather he put it up here .
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Re: Jive/Salsa R2 mixture

Postby optical10 » 07 Jul 2018, 12:31

Burgerman wrote:Everyone will tell you that rear drive chairs are worse indoors. And thats true of every powerchair where the seat must be mounted too far forwards. So that the normal swing away footrests are able to clear the casters. They must be stuck ahead of the chair and in front of the caster wheels.

The result is a nose heavy chair that steers very badly and is too long indoors with your legs stuck out ahead. But a centre footplate cures the problem. If its small enough, it fits partly between the caster wheels. Allowing the seat and footplate(s) to sit around 3 or 4 inches further back, in a more reaward position. Which is why all my rear drive chairs use a centre footplate.

Search the web for rear drive chairs with centre footplate, its not common or easy to find! But you can push the manufacturers to fit the centre mount footplates that they normally fit to their centre wheel drive or front drive chairs. But they dont like it! Thats why you can't see a pic of a Jive/Salsa with a centre footplate and the same is true most of the other chairs out there. They think rear drive = swing away foot riggings.

However there can also be issues if you move the seat/footplate back to a more rearward position. Such as below. Note the shiny bolt sitting just behind the footplate in the exact place you do not want it! It holds the actuator on... And hits the tyre.



I was disappointed that your storm 4 Explore rise project didn't work out but then stumbled upon this thread whilst I found the salsa mini 2.
Just wondering with the centre footplate issue you don't seem to favour mid drive power chairs with their better CG and turning circle, to me as Lehman, like this one?

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Re: Jive/Salsa R2 mixture

Postby Burgerman » 07 Jul 2018, 13:02

Because mid wheel drive is frankly rubbish in the actual real world outdoors. Theres no way they can go the places I do, or work on soft ground, or a beach etc. Because those sprung arms with too small caster wheels lift the weight off the drive wheels, and push the sticky out rear casters into the ground as you reverse on say gravel or soft ground. And theres no suspension on most of the mid wheels where you actually sit!

And all my rear drive chairs have the seating laocated rearwards, making the chair easy to steer, with little weight over the front. And so I can pop front wheels up at will, (programmed correctly!). We tried this test.

INDOORS a freind in a Q6000 mid drive pride chair, cannot go into my bathroom, turn around and come out. But my 37 (inch long INCLUDING foot riggings), BM2 chair can. Its is more compact indoors than the typical mid drive. But when outdoors goes places that the mid drives with tiny caster wheels cannot. Its also more comfortable outdoors.

Rear drive CONFIGURED CORRECTLY can be as good indoors as a mid drive.
But are far better outdoors and offer better comfort.

The reason that the opposite is the general view, is because every rear drive chair is terrible. The salsa was a typical example it, like most, came with swing away footplates. This means, like almost all rear drive chairs, that the seating must be way too far forwards, with your feet in front of the castor wheels. Instead of between them. This means that rear drive stock chairs:
a) are way too long. So cannot turn indoors, and the drive wheel is too far behind you.
b) are far too nose heavy, making any turns indoors almost impossible and the chair doesent respond correctly compounded by the typical programming of stock chairs.

So I took a typical REAR DRIVE chair, the Salsa, and fixed it.
Ordered a CENTRE footplate, as it can then allow feet to fit further back between casters.
Moved seat back 4.5 inches.
Moved seat back, further back, by 1 inch.
Reprogrammed the chair so it responds properly.
Other changes not related like wheels, tyres, etc.

Look at seat position on mine:

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STOCK CHAIR NOSE HEAVY
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SAME BUT SEATING MOVED BACK
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STOCK NOSE HEAVY REAR DRIVE CHAIR
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Compared to any other other rear drive chairs where all the weight is over the castor wheels...
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Re: Jive/Salsa R2 mixture

Postby optical10 » 07 Jul 2018, 16:20

I see, now i understand, it pays to get every experience poss before deciding so many thanks. Does rear also make the Lith battery conversion easier than mid drive?
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Re: Jive/Salsa R2 mixture

Postby Gnomatic » 07 Jul 2018, 17:09

Burgerman wrote:Because mid wheel drive is frankly rubbish in the actual real world outdoors.


.... unless you are using a V6 like me. :thumbup:
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Re: Jive/Salsa R2 mixture

Postby Burgerman » 07 Jul 2018, 17:57

Those are an exception to the rule. And unfortunately are a bit log and wide. Those still have the skinny caster problem which sink in sand for eg when you reverse. And they are big so too cumbersome indoors or in a van for e.g. But the V4 looks interesting! At double the cost of a normal chair... :fencing Which stopped me buying one recently!
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Re: Jive/Salsa R2 mixture

Postby optical10 » 07 Jul 2018, 21:29

Any news on the Sinopoly, only see brexit as future hiccup for taking sweet time before pricing gets screwed?

I was upto page 48/175 on the "PINNED - Lithium battery conversion/info", do I need to finish it for the Headways pack knowledge or have the Sinopoly now become the prefered method of conversion to Lith?
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Re: Jive/Salsa R2 mixture

Postby Burgerman » 07 Jul 2018, 21:53

Why would brexit hurt prices?

Once out, if the idiots in charge can ever bring themselves to do it, we are free to make trade deals with china and hong kong. And so no customs charges either way. The eu never could do that because its got too many regulations and rules like most socialist superstates. If we do a deal without the EU they will be available inn the EV stores online in the UK, no self importing needed.
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Re: Jive/Salsa R2 mixture

Postby optical10 » 07 Jul 2018, 22:17

Burgerman wrote:Why would brexit hurt prices?

Once out, if the idiots in charge can ever bring themselves to do it, we are free to make trade deals with china and hong kong. And so no customs charges either way. The eu never could do that because its got too many regulations and rules like most socialist superstates. If we do a deal without the EU they will be available inn the EV stores online in the UK, no self importing needed.


We're going to have to agree to disagree on your view as others feel you get better deals/bargaining power if your in a bigger club like the EU if you go against the big boys like USA or China when we're out. If EU couldn't do it then how are we going to on our own...we're a service nation now not like the good old days when we manuf'd & lead on R&D, take wheelchair manuf'ing for instance!

Anyway I was really making the point on news on the Salsa R2 Lithium conversion as you were given a June lead time....for stock
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Re: Jive/Salsa R2 mixture

Postby Gnomatic » 07 Jul 2018, 22:28

Burgerman wrote:Those are an exception to the rule. And unfortunately are a bit log and wide. Those still have the skinny caster problem which sink in sand for eg when you reverse. And they are big so too cumbersome indoors or in a van for e.g. But the V4 looks interesting! At double the cost of a normal chair... :fencing Which stopped me buying one recently!


I got a barely used for a steal off ebay. If I found a screaming deal like that on a V4 I'd probably grab it. My 16hr/day chair for the last decade+ has been a X5/V6. Most stock two wheel drive chairs are garbage offroad. Yes Magic Mobility chairs are big, but it doesn't bother me. My home has wide doors and a very open floor plan, so no problem there. I don't drive, but have the passenger seat in my mini van removed, and inplace is my lockdown. I sit right where the passenger seat was.

One feature the chair has is a retractable docking pin, which is awesome! Much more clearance when in the woods or rolling over uneven rocks.

Its all about priorities. I need a chair that's good offroad, that I can still function in indoors, Yeah, its a large chair and its a tight fit getting in my van. But I can live with those things.
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Re: Jive/Salsa R2 mixture

Postby Burgerman » 07 Jul 2018, 22:35

Well interestingly the fact that the richest countries per capita in europe, are not in the EU shows otherwise. Obviously no problem for them, or places as tiny as iceland!

You cannot have a common set of rules, and a common currency, with no means of varying the exchange rate across a vast range of counries that are all culturally and economically different. Or all the poor run to all the rich countries, as is happening everywhere, and those poor countries get poorer. And right now, the huge non elected "project" run by leftists and liberals to turn us all of us into a multicultural grey soup of colours, religions etc is slightly anoying the actual populations who dont like it. And you are seeing the result of this in the rise of eurosceptism.
And the NON ELECTED EU superstate heads in brussels are finding that out,

Trying to turn it into one into one massive soviet style socialist dictatorship isnt working. They dont listen, and thats the reason we now have 7 really anti EU countries, and 5 already that now have right wing governments and why merkel is in trouble. The EU is failing, and wont exist in a couple of decades. When we signed up to it, it was ONLY as a trading block.The common market. Which was fine. The rest was quietly added. But bit by bit the socialist superstate grows and grows and its got to the state now where the people have noticed that it is ruling them and they dont like it or want it.


Top 25 european countries. Wealth per Capita

1 Monaco 159,400 only PARTLY IN THE EU VIA CUSTOMS UNION (VIA FRANCE) BUT NOT A MEMBER.
2 Liechtenstein 139,300 NOT EU
3 Luxembourg 110,700 NOT EU
4 Norway 101,400 NOT EU
5 Switzerland 80,800 NOT EU

6 Denmark 58,300
7 San Marino 57,900
8 Sweden 57,200
9 Finland 49,200
10 Austria 49,100
11 Netherlands 47,600
12 Andorra 46,418[n 3]
13 Iceland 46,200
14 Ireland 46,000
15 Belgium 45,600
16 Germany 44,300
17 France 41,700
18 United Kingdom 39,600 SOON TO BE OUT AND JUST IN TIME
19 Italy 33,600
20 Spain 28,600
21 Cyprus 25,200
22 Slovenia 22,700
23 Malta 22,600
24 Greece 21,800
25 Portugal 21,000
ETC...
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Re: Jive/Salsa R2 mixture

Postby optical10 » 07 Jul 2018, 22:57

I have this knack of opening the per-verbal can worms....."Must learn to keep my flippant opinions to myself" banghead
I hope your right, we need options not restrictions what ever happens.

Did they give you a update on the Sinopoly lead time?
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Re: Jive/Salsa R2 mixture

Postby Burgerman » 07 Jul 2018, 23:12

You cant have cans of worms, as the EU will have some regulation making it impossible to sell, or export or import. Or they will need to be straight worms. Or special EU worms, with a subsidy and conform to a bunch of standards that only massive corporation understands and so preventing capitalism (free competition) making them available easily..

We should have left the day after the vote. The stupid remainers and soft brexiters (there IS no soft brexit, its a part brexit which I didnt vote for) keep trying to keep one leg in. Like leaving the golf club membership, but wanting to still use the green, and borrow the little car...

We would now be 2 years on with trade arangements with all the countries worldwide that the EU couldent make a deal with because they have way too many restrictions and rules. Not to mention, why should britain put twice as much into the EU than they give us back. The rest goes to propping up poor countries and thats socialism. Which always ends well. Go as any socialist country if you can find one thats not bankrupt or starving that hasnt already colapsed! You may get an answer in venuzuala if you are quick. Mass starvation has already started there. I will shutup now! :D

Date?
Ahh...
Anyway I was really making the point on news on the Salsa R2 Lithium conversion as you were given a June lead time....for stock

I am stuck on bed, cant measure the size of the battery area yet. So nothing ordered.
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Re: Jive/Salsa R2 mixture

Postby shirley_hkg » 09 Jul 2018, 04:20

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Could these help us to get away from the winter cold ? cheers
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Re: Jive/Salsa R2 mixture

Postby shirley_hkg » 09 Jul 2018, 04:22

fold like an umbrella . :lol:
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Re: Jive/Salsa R2 mixture

Postby Burgerman » 09 Jul 2018, 05:11

I feel sure that if you actually rode those bikes then the cover would cause the bike to be hard to control, and it would rip off anyway!

On a chair it might work, if you dont mind looking a tool :hammer
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Re: Jive/Salsa R2 mixture

Postby Burgerman » 02 Aug 2018, 01:19

Took some pics of the finished salsa today.
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