Warming!

[Burgerman]

We are just getting some more of that warming the lefties are always banging on about. And lots to come. Just had to snap a dog off a lamp post. Still its warm inside. Heated by the gas supply that is already costing nearly double the real cost, so we can subsidise solar and wind. Which are not working as usual as its dark and not a breath of wind. And they are forcing us to use electricity to heat our homes and turning the gas off soon. And we cant produce enough electricity so are buying it overseas. And thats before they turn off the gas power stations that provide 45% of our power to match the coal stations they already destroyed. The green socialist religious bullshit continues.

[Toro]

these people are going to put us back into the stone age... same thing happening in Australia.

Burgerman how do you handle the cold... I know your a para but you also live in a place from the looks of that photo that gets freezing. It would be torture for me, being a c4-5 quad it's hard to regulate my body temp and hate the cold now... lucky I live in a place where the temp is mild in winter.

[Lord Chatterley]

The proper name for environmentalists is THE NEW LEFT.

They are motivated by philosophy and by a particular view of MORALITY.

They need to be opposed on moral terms like this-

[YouTube]GC8m7azkDbo?t=336[/YouTube]

LC

[Lord Chatterley]

5.30 onwards...


youtu.be/GC8m7azkDbo

LC

[Burgerman]

these people are going to put us back into the stone age... same thing happening in Australia.

Burgerman how do you handle the cold... I know your a para but you also live in a place from the looks of that photo that gets freezing. It would be torture for me, being a c4-5 quad it's hard to regulate my body temp and hate the cold now... lucky I live in a place where the temp is mild in winter.

We get pretty moderate weather here mostly. Sometimes around now we get 2 inches of snow and the world stops! End of world. I stay in. Heat is on. Its summer indoors.

[Burgerman]

They are motivated by philosophy and by a particular view of MORALITY.

Philosophy is always useless. Clinging to the coat tails of all the old ignorant and frankly stupid philosophers as "heroes" just results in garbage out. As I keep asking - what is it good for? Why cant you all use your own brain? Who cares what some ignorant moron thought? "Appeal to authority" is no use. Its the same thing religous nuts do. I thought you understood logic.

[sacharlie]

Believe Texas leads the states in oil production.
Texas also produces the most power from wind and solar over all the other states.
Utility owned big solar farms are all around where I live.

[Burgerman]

Solar even in texas doesent do anything at all at night right when you want the power. Wind doesent do anything unless theres adequate wind. It also doesent do anything when theres too much wind they feather the blades. So adding some solar, and some wind can produce power as a TOP UP. But you really didnt save anything because you also have to have enough backup power in conventional coal, oil, gas, or nuclear that can produce all the power alone when needed. And of those nuclear is both expensive, hated by the greenies and it doesent throttle. So it must run all the time. So renewables dont scale.

[swalker]

Wind doesent do anything unless theres adequate wind.

I grew up in Texas. It is an amazingly varied state. The huge wind farms near sweetwater, TX are in a part where the wind blows. All. The. Time.

If you are new to constant wind, it can take some getting used it:).

But, I get your point and agree with it. Even in a consistently windy place like Sweetwater, there are rare times when the wind does not blow. That means the energy that would have been produced by the wind farms must be taken from some other source, whether it is a "battery" (pumped storage, for example) or from a power plant that can rapidly be brought online (like those powered by jet engines). The infrastructure to support these is quite expensive.

Steve

[martin007]

Happy Globalist Socialism!
A happy world...

[Lord Chatterley]

We don't have constant winds in Europe - there are times when wind and solar combined produce zero energy - such a period actually has a name DARK CALM which means you will always need 100% back up from fossil fuels or nuclear.
Which begs the question - if you need fossil fuels to provide 100% back up EVEN IF YOU HAD HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF TURBINES why go to the colossal expense of providing another duplicate, unreliable and inadequate infrastructure?

https://youtu.be/GC8m7azkDbo?t=1002

LC

[Burgerman]

Because the shallow brainwashed masses have fell for the green socialism and really believe the worlds is going to end.
Because every time you turn on a TV or radio, watch news online all of them have fell for the same garbage.
Because everytime global warming, eventually renamed to climate change because this warming wasnt happening for a decade they show pictures of water vapour comming out of exhaust pipes or cooling toweres. C02 is invisible...

Because they have managed to convince the weak and shallow that know no better that global warming which is very real is the same thing as human made global warming. It never was in the past.
Because they have brainwashed the shallow lefty schoolteachers and colleges into believing this and they in turn push this as fact from junior school upwards.
Because I never met a politition that understood anything much other than being a politition. They are just as brainwashed as the rest of the sheep. Boris believes this is all super urgent and important because his scientists (and I mean the ones paid to find links who dont want to lose their jobs) tell him so.

Because for the same reasons everyone without a brain thinks that warmer is worse. Its not.
Because politicians have no clue that we now have an energy SHORTAGE in this country and buy power from 5 different countries at high demand times because they SHUT DOWN the coal stations and fed some of them with wood pellets at huge cost shipped from the USA. They are also about to get rid of gas powered electricity generation, that provides up to 45% of the UKs power.

Because they are forcing us (by subsidising EV cars, and adding extra cost to our utilities, and from central government) to go green. An EV uses 7x as much electricity as a average house does. Yes I can easily provide this info!
Because they are forcing the UK to scrap gas heating and use electricity. The typical home uses almost 8 times as much gas in KWH than it does electricity.

Because they are so stupid they do not understand that you need almost full generating capability for the now 20X greater demand, that THEY HAVE CAUSED at a time when they are decommissioning our nuclear power staions because of age. And decommisioned 95% of gas stations and blown them up, already. And that leaves gas staions which they have planned to decommision over 10 years.

And they are all doing this, at breaknet speed because they do not understand that it is a) impossibe with current technology at ANY price and that price will leave us poor. Unable to compete in manufacturing (we already shut down lots of energy greedy businesses such as steel making as the UKs energy is double the cost of other countries like the US and China who are building hundreds of NEW coal powered generators across their huge country.

Because they are not prepared to look at the REAL facts. We are run and controlled by idiots that WE voted in, because the green socialism we have been brainwashed into is now a religion across the ignorant unquestioning masses. Nobody is allowed to even consider that the emporor has got no clothes. Thers a lot of scientists that agree. Put they dare not put their head above the parapet for fear of ridecule. Its just like the case of athiests in the USA. They are the minority. They are correct obviously. But it doesent matter. Its the mass delusion that wins.

[sacharlie]

We don't have constant winds in Europe - there are times when wind and solar combined produce zero energy - such a period actually has a name DARK CALM which means you will always need 100% back up from fossil fuels or nuclear.
Which begs the question - if you need fossil fuels to provide 100% back up EVEN IF YOU HAD HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF TURBINES why go to the colossal expense of providing another duplicate, unreliable and inadequate infrastructure?

https://youtu.be/GC8m7azkDbo?t=1002

LC

Because wind/solar are neither unreliable nor inadequate.
Wind and solar are cost effective.

[Burgerman]

In your world. Right now its dark. My solar system is making 0watts. During the day it made less than 1kwh instead of 22 in summer. And its snowing and they are covered in snow 6 inches deep. And theres not a breath of wind here. Theres some elsewhere but wind is down to around 1/4 of yesterday. I can see hundreds of square miles of windmills off the coast all stationary. So yea. Working just great. Most of the planet isnt the bit where you live.

We have been wasting money hand over fist which has made our power DOUBLE the cost of yours in the US since we have practically outlined the UK in those damned windmills. Ovbiously they are making a little power. 6% And they are all corroding and aging. That is not anywhere near as cheap as the coal stations we destroyed in the name of C02 bullshit. And right now gas CCGT stations are doing half of our power. And we are in a low demand period. And they are turning that OFF! The rest is wood pellets from the USA at 3x the cost of coal, and nuclear at 11 percent. And note that the needles on the right (small gauges) are all pinned as we buy electricity from other countries to make up the shortfall. Wind is a joke. Its unreliable.

We are shutting down gas -almost half of our generating power and thats before we increase power consumption by 10 to 20x... Politicians are idiots.

[Lord Chatterley]

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Because wind/solar are neither unreliable nor inadequate.
Wind and solar are cost effective.

Yes, on Mars, but not on this planet.

https://notrickszone.com/2019/03/06/unreliable-power-source-adding-capacity-does-little-to-solve-germanys-green-energy-power-gaps/

LC

[Lord Chatterley]

People can change their views about energy and climate change just like this woman-


youtu.be/WezQavtdAJI

LC

[Burgerman]

Because unlike the sheeple, she was allowing the actual evidence and real information in. Wheras most sheeple just "know"... Its the sme process that destroys every religion.

[greybeard]

Apparently California is running evening TV ads advising people to turn off their power at night because solar doesn't work in the dark!

[Burgerman]

I know that right now there are huge rolling power cuts all across texas. Cant watch my rocket launches at boca chica. We never get this stuff in the UK. At worst you get a 1 minute or at worst 1 hour power cut every decade on average. Its just not common. But if the gov keep up this crazy green nonsense then we will soon be joining texas.

[Bubbernator]

Part of the problem in Texas is that they invested heavily in wind turbines. Which is fine when it's dry, sunny and the unicorns are farting rainbows.
But when the storm hit 50% of the west Texas wind turbines froze up and the other producers were not able to fill the gap in supply. On top of that, demand went through the roof as temperatures dropped into -°F.
So it's a long, cold night in the Lone Star State.

[Burgerman]

This is the problem. Wind/solar is great as a top up. If you have too much and they have no wind/dark or too much wind so they have to feather the blades, you then need all the coal/gas/oil generation power all over to supply the missing power. So instead of wasting money on unreliable renewable stuff, you should heve built nuclear and/or kept the dino power. Since you need that ANYWAY!

Just wait till your socialist leader gets you all signed up to the wanming/green climate agreement and gets all the oil/coal etc shut down. Everyone forced to heat homes electrically, electric cars and trucks and factories, fuel prices will double and tripple, with much taxation. And businesses struggle. Green socialism. This texas mess will be come the norm. Only it will be way more expensive at the same time!

[Lord Chatterley]

Part of the problem in Texas is that they invested heavily in wind turbines. Which is fine when it's dry, sunny and the unicorns are farting rainbows.
But when the storm hit 50% of the west Texas wind turbines froze up and the other producers were not able to fill the gap in supply. On top of that, demand went through the roof as temperatures dropped into -°F.
So it's a long, cold night in the Lone Star State.

LC

[Burgerman]

The whole fabric of society, the materials, the manufacturing, to food, and everything you live in and depend on is made with or from fossil fuels. Including all the green stuff.

[Lord Chatterley]

The whole fabric of society, the materials, the manufacturing, to food, and everything you live in and depend on is made with or from fossil fuels. Including all the green stuff.

Even the water we drink. The whole global warming panic is utter madness.

LC

[greybeard]

There must be shed loads of money in it or the politicians wouldn't push it so hard.

[Bubbernator]

Shed loads of money for the chosen few and buckets of fawning media exposure for the politician.
I do not want John Kerry anywhere near my power supply. He can view it from his carbon spewing private jet at 30,000 feet but that's as close as he gets.
The irony in all of this is that Texas is one of the most energy-rich states in the country. It has huge deposits of natural gas and oil.
Running out of energy in Texas is like starving to death in the grocery store. You can only do it on purpose.

[Burgerman]

Socialism can do it. It always does it. Look at venuzuala. In that case they made the richest country in south america, with greater oil reserves than any country on the planet bust. Inflation at millions of percent. To the point where theres no water, power, road fuel, little unaffordable food, hospitals with no doors, sheets, drugs, lights, water, or anything else. Green socialism is just more of the same shit.

[Lord Chatterley]

Alex Epstein has gone viral on twitter - for those who sensibly avoid Silicon Valley platforms due to [ahem] censorship issues see text below. The same thing will happen in the UK if we carry on with current energy policies. Will the people vote for a new political party since the 3 main parties are all insane? I am sure they would - this country is just too damned cold to survive the global warming BS.

LC

There is a lot of conflicting "information" about the TX blackouts. Here's the bottom line: the root cause of the TX blackouts is a national and state policy that has prioritized the adoption of unreliable wind/solar energy over reliable energy.

For the last decade+ policy in TX and in the US has been focused on mandating or subsidizing as much wind and solar as possible. TX has bragged about being the biggest wind generator in the US.
The TX focus on wind has come above all at the expense of coal, which has the resiliency advantage (along with nuclear) of being able to store large quantities of fuel onsite; gas mostly requires "just in time" delivery from pipelines.
“In 2009, coal-fired plants generated nearly 37 percent of the state’s electricity while wind provided about 6 percent. Since then, three Texas coal-fired plants have closed...In the same period, our energy consumption rose by 20 percent.”
Because intermittent wind and solar can always go near zero --as we saw recently in TX-- they don't replace the cost of reliable power plants, they add to the cost of reliable power plants. This is why the more wind and solar grids use, the higher their electricity prices.
To lessen the price increases from "unreliables" governments try to get away with as few reliable power plants online as they can. TX is no exception. The Public Utilities Commission of TX has called their grid's margin for error ("reserve margin") “very scary.”
Additionally, the expense and distraction of accommodating "unreliables" takes away money and focus from resiliency. In CA this meant not maintaining power lines. In TX it may have meant not focusing enough on making the reliable power plants resilient enough to winter weather.

While we don't know yet what exactly caused certain gas and coal plants to go down - lack of resilience for those plants, grid mismanagement, or fuel infrastructure - we know with 100% certainty that gas and coal plants can easily run in far more adverse conditions than TX has now.
We know with 100% certainty that gas, coal, and nuclear plants can easily run in far more adverse conditions than TX has now. And we know with 100% certainty that even if no wind turbines had frozen they would have been nearly useless during large portions of recent weather.
If you are looking at the facts in TX, the obvious lesson here is: stop subsidizing and mandating unreliables--which are often useless when you need them most--and do a better job at managing reliables.
Instead of acknowledging the reality that unreliables can't keep us warm or powered in the winter - and that the "100% renewable" direction is disastrous--advocates of unreliables are instead implying that no source of electricity can be relied upon, so no need to single out wind.
Dr. Emily Grubert of GA Tech writes: "Let us be absolutely clear: if there are grid failures today, it shows the existing (largely fossil-based) system cannot handle these conditions either." Really? Ever heard of the Midwest or Canada?
We know how to produce enough low-cost, reliable electricity for every situation. You just build a whole bunch of reliable power plants, including those with on-site fuel storage--such as coal and nuclear. You place a premium on reliability and resilience. That's it.
TX is having an electricity crisis during bad winter weather because it did not focus enough on building reliable power plants and infrastructure - because it was obsessed with getting as much unreliable wind/solar electricity as possible. Let's all learn from this mistake.
Right now TX's plans include
* 0 new nuclear plants
* 0 new coal plants
* 9.4 GW wind (the existing 32 GW went to 1 GW during crucial times this week)
* 11.9 GW solar (solar was useless much of the week)
* 5.0 GW gas (to handle the unreliables)
These plans should change.
As bad as TX's plans to "rely on unreliables" are, they are nothing compared to the Biden Plan, which calls for nearly 100% solar and wind electricity by 2035! Everyone should be asking him how the hell his plan would have fared in TX this week.
TX and America need to totally change direction in energy policy toward one of energy freedom, including freedom for the wonderful but demonized and criminalized ultra-reliable, non-carbon electricity source known as nuclear.

[Bubbernator]

Bill Gates has been working on a nuclear energy system for several years. The result is a traveling wave reactor that addresses many of the concerns associated with traditional nuclear power generation.
The company is called TerraPower.

https://www.engineering.com/story/21575

[Burgerman]

They are no use as a backup for unreliable renewables. Because they cannot be brought online as needed, or throttled much at all. They are great for continual power generation. But you still need coal/gas/oil to give the power variation or standby power as required.

2 days of no cams at boca chika texas so far. No power. 2 days! Thats crazy.